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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Feasoghorm]
    #26535173 - 03/14/20 04:37 PM (3 years, 10 months ago)

you could try lining it with foam board insulation. that stuff works well and could be cut to the exact specifications.  then you would only need a lamp as suggested above.  theres old dehydrators that use lamps as their heat source and they generate enough heat to dry fruit:shrug:


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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: TedsDead]
    #26535191 - 03/14/20 04:50 PM (3 years, 10 months ago)

What about FAE though?

It's going to be about 45f out and 70f in so opening the door regularly is not going to be good.

If it's well insulated then I'm guessing I'll need a fan in and out too.

I might just give up and buy on the darkweb until I can grow normally.


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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: clockworkshroom]
    #26535227 - 03/14/20 05:22 PM (3 years, 10 months ago)

Do you have an attic? Might be warmer and less likely to be found.

If my dad had a super secret locked chest when I was a kid I would’ve devoted my life to getting the key or picking the lock lol.

You could always do invitro grows, or stones. Just put them in a box in a shelf in the closet or something. Especially stones just look like a jar full of rotting stuff.

Over winter I let some shoeboxes grow in 40-50 degrees while I was gone and they did fine. The spawn jars barely moved but I think the coir in the shoebox stays warm enough to grow.


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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: A.k.a]
    #26535263 - 03/14/20 05:47 PM (3 years, 10 months ago)

Posting here instead...

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I don't always use my jars right away but need to use the pc. Sometimes the jars sit on the shelf and collect dust. You wouldn't wash them with iso before opening in front of the hood?




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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: clockworkshroom]
    #26535281 - 03/14/20 05:58 PM (3 years, 10 months ago)

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What about FAE though?

It's going to be about 45f out and 70f in so opening the door regularly is not going to be good.

If it's well insulated then I'm guessing I'll need a fan in and out too.

I might just give up and buy on the darkweb until I can grow normally.





sorry, maybe I missed it in your posts but will this be for fruiting or incubation or both? 
just leave some small cracks in the insulation for FAE. opening and closing shouldn't hurt unless you're obsessively checking on em and then its no secret anyways.  also the aquarium heater in a gallon jug works great for that type of setup


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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: TedsDead]
    #26535310 - 03/14/20 06:19 PM (3 years, 10 months ago)

Grow stones instead! Just need a locked cupboard that doesnt drop below 65, be easier to hide and need less attention, just obtain and clean some atl/galindoi spore on agar, drop to grain and harvest in 2-4 months. Bigger grains are easier to clean from the stones, but use food grade grain if possible you might be eating some on accident. Wheat would be best imo, unless you have an allergy or intend on sharing them with someone who does.


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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: TedsDead]
    #26535325 - 03/14/20 06:25 PM (3 years, 10 months ago)

anyone have experience with stretching out spawn? I'm cooking up coco as we speak for shoeboxes, and I just got done shredding up BRF cakes. since I have two tubs colonizing right now, and a stash of shrooms from my last harvest still, I want to get the most bang for my buck, so I want to try having a very high coco coir/spawn ratio and just wait a while for the shoeboxes to fully colonize since I can without making any real sacrifice


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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: shroomgirl645]
    #26535332 - 03/14/20 06:29 PM (3 years, 10 months ago)

Dont have much experience yet, but I believe that since most nutrients come from the grain, not the coir, there is a maximum yield that wouldnt increase with adding more coir, just would take longer to colonize/fruit, if that makes sense :smile:


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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: shroomgirl645]
    #26535334 - 03/14/20 06:31 PM (3 years, 10 months ago)

It might have been a contam or something but I tried that once with brf and it seemed like there wasn’t enough nutrients. I got good shrooms but the pin set was thin and they seemed unhealthy at the end then there was no sign of a second flush whatsoever.

Unless you’re using more than four half pint cakes I think a shoebox would be enough surface area.


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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Infinity-25]
    #26535370 - 03/14/20 06:56 PM (3 years, 10 months ago)

I see, I'll just do it normally.

speaking of that, should I try and experiment with other bulk substrates? what would be good option other than coir?


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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: shroomgirl645]
    #26535462 - 03/14/20 08:09 PM (3 years, 10 months ago)

Idk know for sure about the cakes, try it and see it could’ve been a lot of things that made mine not so great.

There’s really no reason for anything but coir if you’re doing cubes.


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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: clockworkshroom]
    #26535510 - 03/14/20 08:36 PM (3 years, 10 months ago)

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What about FAE though?

It's going to be about 45f out and 70f in so opening the door regularly is not going to be good.

If it's well insulated then I'm guessing I'll need a fan in and out too.

I might just give up and buy on the darkweb until I can grow normally.



FAE by convection or passive FAE. Same thing, meaning the heat generated by spawn/tubs will create air currents. If you’re really sketched about it leave a little slack in the locking cable and let the door be open half an inch. Lack of FAE is almost always cause by completely sealed tubs, not lack of air movement in their environent.

Don’t give up. 70f is perfectly fine for colonizing and fruiting.


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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: TedsDead]
    #26535566 - 03/14/20 09:19 PM (3 years, 10 months ago)

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What about FAE though?

It's going to be about 45f out and 70f in so opening the door regularly is not going to be good.

If it's well insulated then I'm guessing I'll need a fan in and out too.

I might just give up and buy on the darkweb until I can grow normally.





sorry, maybe I missed it in your posts but will this be for fruiting or incubation or both? 
just leave some small cracks in the insulation for FAE. opening and closing shouldn't hurt unless you're obsessively checking on em and then its no secret anyways.  also the aquarium heater in a gallon jug works great for that type of setup




Probably both to be honest although could inoculate and allow colonization indoors in a cupboard.

Thanks so much to all for the insights. I'm going to read about rocks. I'm looking to grow to microdose and ideally want enough for a year's supply in a couple of flushes once I get a Tek nailed down which is why I'm looking at tubs.


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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: clockworkshroom]
    #26535608 - 03/14/20 09:55 PM (3 years, 10 months ago)

ayeplus had some good advice with the stones as well.  you don't even have to worry about fruiting them.  just a shake during colonization and wait.  you will need to learn agar tho


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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: TedsDead]
    #26535645 - 03/14/20 10:37 PM (3 years, 10 months ago)

I've done stones just from a syringe into jars.  Worked fine, though I understand why you're suggesting agar.



Another point earlier in the POTD thread talking about poor germination of cambos on agar as opposed to straight to grains makes me say germinate them on grain and then take the result to agar.  I did that for PE in this thread and really got some decent isos without much work if you're interested.

Same principle should apply to other species - germinate them on the sub they'll fruit on, then isolate as needed on agar from that.  Typically I've never done that for cubes, just straight to agar and work with what shows up.


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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: PrimalSoup]
    #26535648 - 03/14/20 10:40 PM (3 years, 10 months ago)

Couldn't this just be done with the water left over from boiling grain like ham does with his agar?


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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: PrimalSoup]
    #26535667 - 03/14/20 11:09 PM (3 years, 10 months ago)

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I've done stones just from a syringe into jars.  Worked fine, though I understand why you're suggesting agar.



Another point earlier in the POTD thread talking about poor germination of cambos on agar as opposed to straight to grains makes me say germinate them on grain and then take the result to agar.  I did that for PE in this thread and really got some decent isos without much work if you're interested.

Same principle should apply to other species - germinate them on the sub they'll fruit on, then isolate as needed on agar from that.  Typically I've never done that for cubes, just straight to agar and work with what shows up.





assuming your vendor bought syringe is clean then yeah thats the way.  I've bought 10 different pan syringes from said reputable vendor tho and none of them were clean.  If you havent grown before one might that think your prepping or sterilizing your grain improperly or some other vector based on readings before you consider the thought of a bad syringe.  thats why I say agar

I never try to isolate to mono with ms. I get 2 transfers away from the germ plate and drop everything thats ion the plate and let em compete in the jar to see what I get.  u get more possibilities with less work that way


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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: TedsDead]
    #26535804 - 03/15/20 01:49 AM (3 years, 10 months ago)



For stones I used Atl #7 from SW and it was clean.  My point is that some spores germinate a lot better on something other than agar.  I don't isolate to mono, nobody seems to really succeed at that.  What I want is a reliable fruiting culture, don't really care how isolated it is.

My main culture work right now is getting PE from a 6 year old swab going and it took about a month to germinate, got cut into 12 wedges for 6 jars, two of those jars showed perfectly clean growth and the best one has already gone G2G with 100% success.  It's also the best growing culture I've seen in a while:



Fruiting trial is next but I'm discarding caution and expanding this culture out for bulk grows at the same time.  Which is mostly how I've always done it, trusting to luck. :cookiemonster:


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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: PrimalSoup]
    #26536423 - 03/15/20 11:03 AM (3 years, 10 months ago)

So my toc shoebox had a giant cluster I took clones from. One of them was clean right away from the tissue sample, and grew really quickly. So I took a transfer and was gonna drop it to grain but then decided to try something. The transfers I took will continue the clone but eliminate a ton of genetics, which seeing the difference a couple transfers makes in my last clone run made me think.

So on top of normal transfers I cut out the tissue sample with a little myc all around it and put that on a new plate. So it should grow exactly the same as the first time right?

I dropped the rest to grain so if it turns out to be an awesome grow I should be able to duplicate it with the new plate.

Has anybody tried this? I don’t see why it wouldn’t work a few times at least.





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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: A.k.a]
    #26536731 - 03/15/20 02:00 PM (3 years, 10 months ago)

So I have a pan Cambo syringe I've been wanting to use. No room to set up a GH right now though. Do they do ok in monotubs? Or some other way? If I keep waiting until I get a GH set up I'll never use the damn spores before they are too old to germ.
Have some Cambo and cyan spores I need to use up actually. They are pretty much the same right?


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