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dmppb
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: MadHatter333]
#26499595 - 02/23/20 08:57 AM (3 years, 11 months ago) |
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MadHatter333 said: You honestly don’t need to wash them if you’re running your jars in the PC. You don’t want them to stay wet for to long so foil is recommended still while you PC.
yeah i run them in the pc , i wash the inside of the lids , not really the top and filter but they do get soaking wet while washing them ; yesterday i just used them as they were , all wet and no foil ,
what can happen ?
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: dmppb]
#26499614 - 02/23/20 09:19 AM (3 years, 11 months ago) |
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I never put foil over my SFD jars. Sometimes they'll have water pool on top, but it doesn't seem to allow enough water through to effect the water content inside at all (hence the pooling). The one's that aren't cellulose are usually made of hydrophobic PTFE. And, because of the small micron size, they don't allow microbes to be carried through with any small amount of water that might make its way through.
edit: Did a little test
  
So.. a bit of a testament to the integrity of SFD's and the grey leak-proof Ball lids. I've run these probably 10 or more times through the PC, tightened like normal (no backing off).
Edited by footpath (02/23/20 09:47 AM)
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: footpath]
#26499627 - 02/23/20 09:25 AM (3 years, 11 months ago) |
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Just got my first harvest done and in the dehydrator! Glad I spent all that time on this site lurking, it for sure contributed greatly to my success. Thanks for all the information!! Got 82 grams wet, nothing to brag about but I'm over the moon! I wont post pics till I'm rockin canopys...
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: footpath]
#26499649 - 02/23/20 09:48 AM (3 years, 11 months ago) |
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footpath said: I never put foil over my SFD jars. Sometimes they'll have water pool on top, but it doesn't seem to allow enough water through to effect the water content inside at all (hence the pooling). The one's that aren't cellulose are usually made of hydrophobic PTFE. And, because of the small micron size, they don't allow microbes to be carried through with any small amount of water that might make its way through.
ah , didn't know that , i've been struggling with bacteria in my jars ; i'm trying to consider all the angles
i'm getting at the conclusion that it's my PC cycle
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Crackatoa]
#26499912 - 02/23/20 12:58 PM (3 years, 11 months ago) |
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Crackatoa said: 40# penningtons at Walmart for $15
Do you pick out the sunflower seeds and dried fruit? 
The Wild Finch blend looks good, but $10/Lb
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Inthepit] 1
#26499916 - 02/23/20 01:00 PM (3 years, 11 months ago) |
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Yeah, Once its in a pot with water they'll all float to the top and you can skim them off the top, stir and skim
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Hi Logical Chaos,
Can you tell me why heating pads are a bad idea? I was planing on heating 1lb rye berry bags on small rack in a 70 qt tub with a heating pad at the bottom.
The rye berry bags would be placed on a rack so I am heating the air; not the bags.
Then when the bags germinate I would mix berries into substrate in same 70 qt tub. Place tub on rack and heating pad underneath rack. Then I would place a box over the tub so I am heating the air and not the tub.
Any thoughts on my proposed method?
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Sardo]
#26500975 - 02/24/20 06:22 AM (3 years, 10 months ago) |
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Sardo said: Hi Logical Chaos,
Can you tell me why heating pads are a bad idea? I was planing on heating 1lb rye berry bags on small rack in a 70 qt tub with a heating pad at the bottom.
The rye berry bags would be placed on a rack so I am heating the air; not the bags.
Then when the bags germinate I would mix berries into substrate in same 70 qt tub. Place tub on rack and heating pad underneath rack. Then I would place a box over the tub so I am heating the air and not the tub.
Any thoughts on my proposed method?
I'll take this one...
A. You don't need heat...cubes and most other mushrooms will colonize grain just fine at room temp or less.
B. Higher temps will likely only benefit bacterial contamination.
C. See A
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Subfinder]
#26501009 - 02/24/20 07:26 AM (3 years, 10 months ago) |
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Generally they're too specific/local in heating. What you normally wind up with is an unacceptable temp gradient. Lets say you got the pad under some jars... The parts of the jars nxt to the pad will be too hot and the furthest of the jars too cold.
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Subfinder]
#26501096 - 02/24/20 08:37 AM (3 years, 10 months ago) |
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Thank you Gypsy Dan and Subfinder. My growing area is my studio which in can get into the low 50's at night and mornings and mid 70's during the day.
My consideration was to modify the lows (50 degrees) to keep them in the mid 70's by using a heating pad with thermostat.
"Room temperature" in this case would vary by as much as 25 degrees. I was thinking of setting the range between 70 and 75 degrees so that when the temp drops below 70 the heat goes on but would turn off when the temp hits 75 degrees.
If, however, you folks think the temp range of 50-75 degrees is OK then I would omit the heat pad.
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Edited by Sardo (02/24/20 08:45 AM)
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Sardo]
#26501105 - 02/24/20 08:49 AM (3 years, 10 months ago) |
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You can keep them in a tote while colonizing, they will heat them selfs somewhat.
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Sardo]
#26501160 - 02/24/20 09:38 AM (3 years, 10 months ago) |
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Sardo said: Thank you Gypsy Dan and Subfinder. My growing area is my studio which in can get into the low 50's at night and mornings and mid 70's during the day.
My consideration was to modify the lows (50 degrees) to keep them in the mid 70's by using a heating pad with thermostat.
"Room temperature" in this case would vary by as much as 25 degrees. I was thinking of setting the range between 70 and 75 degrees so that when the temp drops below 70 the heat goes on but would turn off when the temp hits 75 degrees.
If, however, you folks think the temp range of 50-75 degrees is OK then I would omit the heat pad.
50F is rather low and might slow down the growth during the night but it will pick up during the day again so it should still be fine just might take a bit longer than in constantly warmer temperature.
The key here is the ambient temperature instead of localised heat source which is exactly what a heat pad would produce and could dry out parts of the substrate. That is the same reason why in most cases space heaters&pads can be really bad while convection (e.g. oil radiators) should fine if not placed directly next to the growth if the average ambient temperature is too cold.
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: MrBovineJoni]
#26501168 - 02/24/20 09:47 AM (3 years, 10 months ago) |
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I have similar temps and low 50s slowed my jars enough that I had to do something about it. Once the tubs were spawned they were fine though.
I use a cardboard box with a heater pointed at the side from a few feet away and it keeps the jars inside right at 73. Took a little tinkering to get the auto thermostat set right on the heater.
If you already have the mat maybe putting it on it’s side in a u shape near the jars inside a big box or cooler would work. Idk shit about mats though.
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Sardo]
#26501593 - 02/24/20 01:34 PM (3 years, 10 months ago) |
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Sardo said: Hi Logical Chaos,
Can you tell me why heating pads are a bad idea? I was planing on heating 1lb rye berry bags on small rack in a 70 qt tub with a heating pad at the bottom.
The rye berry bags would be placed on a rack so I am heating the air; not the bags.
Then when the bags germinate I would mix berries into substrate in same 70 qt tub. Place tub on rack and heating pad underneath rack. Then I would place a box over the tub so I am heating the air and not the tub.
Any thoughts on my proposed method?
If a heat pad is on at all it dries out the bottom of the jars or bags, just convection does that. And you don't really need it. But I use one on a thermostat in a very cold cupboard underneath a rack but it has to be kept to around ordinary room temp to avoid problems. So if you have ordinary room temp just use that. I like to grow in winter though and I'm impatient. 
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: PrimalSoup]
#26501752 - 02/24/20 03:31 PM (3 years, 10 months ago) |
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Thanks primal soup. I think we are on the same page conceptually. The plan is to not go over 75 degrees or under 70 degrees and use a thermostat that turns off at 75 degrees. Bags will be on a rack with about 3- inches of air. Under the rack will be the heat mat.
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Sardo]
#26501893 - 02/24/20 04:39 PM (3 years, 10 months ago) |
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Here's the first flush from my Jane Doe experiment. Mixed four unlabeled old prints with an old wild print. Got a couple colonies to germinate and they grew out very vigorously. Agar>lc>pf cake> slurryinahurry tek> 4x half gallons wheat berry>coir
I got some bacteria in this tub but it finished it's first flush before my AA+ tub which was spawned a couple weeks before it. Didn't have time to harvest before work. Some split caps tho.

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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: dmppb]
#26502130 - 02/24/20 07:00 PM (3 years, 10 months ago) |
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dmppb said:
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footpath said: I never put foil over my SFD jars. Sometimes they'll have water pool on top, but it doesn't seem to allow enough water through to effect the water content inside at all (hence the pooling). The one's that aren't cellulose are usually made of hydrophobic PTFE. And, because of the small micron size, they don't allow microbes to be carried through with any small amount of water that might make its way through.
ah , didn't know that , i've been struggling with bacteria in my jars ; i'm trying to consider all the angles
i'm getting at the conclusion that it's my PC cycle
Have you tried venting longer? I watch mine till it stopped spitting and is throughly venting a steady stream of steam for 1 minuet.
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Sockadin]
#26502141 - 02/24/20 07:07 PM (3 years, 10 months ago) |
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What he said, except I would vent for an entire 10 minutes and let the pressure valve “top” piece pop up without the weight on, then you know everything is sterilizing evenly.
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: jbgtaa]
#26502182 - 02/24/20 07:29 PM (3 years, 10 months ago) |
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Oh yeah! I was having all kinda issues untill i started venting for ten min. Start timing after the thingy pops up.
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Feasoghorm]
#26502367 - 02/24/20 09:59 PM (3 years, 10 months ago) |
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yeah dudes thank you , i do vent for 10 minutes after the silver thing pops up , although ! i put weight on the silver thingy to get to pressure up faster , won't do it anymore
i'm really blaming the pc cycle for my moderated yet present bacteria in my jars ; and therefore shitty flushes
i was going for 15 psi for exactly 90 minutes which is the rule , but maybe not secure enough , i'm giving it 15 more minutes from now on
right now i'm having a fucking trich invasion , changed my coco brand and it hasn't been working out ) : , i'll post some more stuff later when i have more info.
how do you shake off a trich pandemia ?
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