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tedoro
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: footpath]
#26485544 - 02/14/20 02:10 PM (3 years, 11 months ago) |
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footpath said: I'm pretty sure he said that it's basically a sliding scale - if you soak for 6 hours, you need to boil longer. If you soak for 24 hours, you need to boil shorter.
Personally, I've been just cooking mine at just below boiling temperatures for about 40 minutes. No soak. A little more burst grains, but nothing I'd consider excessive or problematic.
This is what I'm doing with my winter wheat and its working better than anything I've tried before. I dump hot tap water in with dry grains... 11 minutes to boil on my stovetop.... then about 40 minutes... they are beautiful, and oddly dry after PC'ing... I load wet.
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: tedoro]
#26485653 - 02/14/20 03:31 PM (3 years, 11 months ago) |
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tedoro said:
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footpath said: I'm pretty sure he said that it's basically a sliding scale - if you soak for 6 hours, you need to boil longer. If you soak for 24 hours, you need to boil shorter.
Personally, I've been just cooking mine at just below boiling temperatures for about 40 minutes. No soak. A little more burst grains, but nothing I'd consider excessive or problematic.
This is what I'm doing with my winter wheat and its working better than anything I've tried before. I dump hot tap water in with dry grains... 11 minutes to boil on my stovetop.... then about 40 minutes... they are beautiful, and oddly dry after PC'ing... I load wet.
Loading wet may be the source of your bacterial problems... the drier the grain the better. And with winter wheat (or any wheat grain) drying takes far longer. I left 10lbs of winter wheat out for over 18 hrs and they weren’t dry. Can you get millet where you’re at?
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: gizmo1]
#26485696 - 02/14/20 04:10 PM (3 years, 11 months ago) |
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spiritlands said: I pour mine just when I can see is start to thicken, like get syrupy. But after I pour them they sit on the counter open until I have the PC ready. Once I close them up and pc they come out clear and stay clear. They aren't out a long time but maybe ten min. Just long enough to become solid when I tip it.
I do that on my no pours but probably not a good idea when working with 40 or more sterile petris.
Oh, ya I forgot about those. I'm using glass.
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: jbgtaa]
#26485705 - 02/14/20 04:19 PM (3 years, 11 months ago) |
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jbgtaa said:
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tedoro said:
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footpath said: I'm pretty sure he said that it's basically a sliding scale - if you soak for 6 hours, you need to boil longer. If you soak for 24 hours, you need to boil shorter.
Personally, I've been just cooking mine at just below boiling temperatures for about 40 minutes. No soak. A little more burst grains, but nothing I'd consider excessive or problematic.
This is what I'm doing with my winter wheat and its working better than anything I've tried before. I dump hot tap water in with dry grains... 11 minutes to boil on my stovetop.... then about 40 minutes... they are beautiful, and oddly dry after PC'ing... I load wet.
Loading wet may be the source of your bacterial problems...
Bacteria is the source of bacteria. Even if you load a soupy mess of grains its only going to go bacterial if you introduce the bacteria.
either during the inoculation process or hidden in the inoculate.
Edited by mushboy (02/14/20 04:25 PM)
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: jbgtaa]
#26485747 - 02/14/20 04:48 PM (3 years, 11 months ago) |
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jbgtaa said:
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tedoro said:
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footpath said: I'm pretty sure he said that it's basically a sliding scale - if you soak for 6 hours, you need to boil longer. If you soak for 24 hours, you need to boil shorter.
Personally, I've been just cooking mine at just below boiling temperatures for about 40 minutes. No soak. A little more burst grains, but nothing I'd consider excessive or problematic.
This is what I'm doing with my winter wheat and its working better than anything I've tried before. I dump hot tap water in with dry grains... 11 minutes to boil on my stovetop.... then about 40 minutes... they are beautiful, and oddly dry after PC'ing... I load wet.
Loading wet may be the source of your bacterial problems... the drier the grain the better. And with winter wheat (or any wheat grain) drying takes far longer. I left 10lbs of winter wheat out for over 18 hrs and they weren’t dry. Can you get millet where you’re at?
I know what you are saying, and while yes, I have a terrible track record.... the grains are beautiful.... very dry out of the PC. 7 day colonization with LI in a 4 quart bag. My plates are bag. almost sure of it. I'll soon post my cleaned up agar work, and let everyone tell me the truth.
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Camera93]
#26485874 - 02/14/20 06:11 PM (3 years, 11 months ago) |
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Camera93 said: @Edmunter
Nice Reishi!
But what were your thoughts on expanding the culture via: Vendor LC syringe -> LC broth ?
I would do a test plate at the same time as inoculating a few jars. If its fucked you've only lost a few jars, if its fine you are ready to G2G and ahead of the game. The test dish can go in the fridge for culture storage..........
I think im going to try these in a shoebox with the lid closed and very little FAE next time.
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: tramalot]
#26485892 - 02/14/20 06:22 PM (3 years, 11 months ago) |
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tramalot said: Would that process of doing everything at once have a "Tek" name?
Thanks
This was a fun experiment
https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/26485888/vc/1#26485888
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Edmunter]
#26485911 - 02/14/20 06:36 PM (3 years, 11 months ago) |
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So Im aiming to test a few different rye preps this weekend, but Im not sure if its worth it with the agar cultures that I currently have going.
Both are from the same clone, first transfers. The first one is battling with some mold culture on one side and the other I used before to knock up a jar:


Worth it to do a few jars for my grain prep excercise with these cultures you reckon? If so which part of the plates would be best?
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Infinity-25]
#26485929 - 02/14/20 06:48 PM (3 years, 11 months ago) |
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I would transfer away from the mold on the first pic... for the second I guess you can A2G if it’s still clean a few days after you took transfer from it.
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: mushboy]
#26486156 - 02/14/20 09:21 PM (3 years, 11 months ago) |
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mushboy said:
Bacteria is the source of bacteria. Even if you load a soupy mess of grains its only going to go bacterial if you introduce the bacteria.
either during the inoculation process or hidden in the inoculate.
One more time for the people in the back of the class.
Fuckin A-men.
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: AyePlus]
#26486163 - 02/14/20 09:33 PM (3 years, 11 months ago) |
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This is a first...My plastic is pinning
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: AyePlus]
#26486250 - 02/14/20 10:31 PM (3 years, 11 months ago) |
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AyePlus said:
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mushboy said:
Bacteria is the source of bacteria. Even if you load a soupy mess of grains its only going to go bacterial if you introduce the bacteria.
either during the inoculation process or hidden in the inoculate.
One more time for the people in the back of the class.
Fuckin A-men.
Lol! thats what I thought as well when I read that
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: gizmo1]
#26486319 - 02/14/20 11:34 PM (3 years, 11 months ago) |
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gizmo1 said: I did a little experiment. Made the substrate thick on one end and thin on the other it gradually tapered off. Surface conditions were kept up the entire time.


 What happened was it pinned way better on the deep side. But this was also MS so so take it for what it is.

Update.
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: gizmo1]
#26486321 - 02/14/20 11:35 PM (3 years, 11 months ago) |
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Nice tub you got there gizmo.
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staytrippy420 said: Nice tub you got there gizmo.

I wouldn't say its nice at best average for MS. The pinset is filling in slowly though kinda feel like this is step closer to confirming my theory about thicker sub colonizing faster due to heat. Im still trying to plan how to test it though. Both sides have approximately the same spawn ration but the thick sode definitely finished and pinned first. The other side is slowly finishing up. I have a good feeling the thick side is going to have way more fruits of less potency, and the thin side is going to put out fewer but straight powerhouses. We'll see what happens.
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: gizmo1]
#26486752 - 02/15/20 09:18 AM (3 years, 11 months ago) |
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Are you basing that on how fast they’re going? I have a Burma culture that I messed up my second grow and it took at least as long as PE and was mostly weird mutants, but my friends loved it. Anyway I took a clone and figured now that I know what I’m doing it would be normal but it’s still going super slow so I’m hoping it’ll have that potency again.
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: A.k.a]
#26486881 - 02/15/20 11:00 AM (3 years, 11 months ago) |
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A.k.a said: Are you basing that on how fast they’re going? I have a Burma culture that I messed up my second grow and it took at least as long as PE and was mostly weird mutants, but my friends loved it. Anyway I took a clone and figured now that I know what I’m doing it would be normal but it’s still going super slow so I’m hoping it’ll have that potency again.
Kinda yea I think that was my train of thought I get pretty damn wasted sometimes. But I have noticed slow shit is usually stronger for some reason. Once had a contaninated sub outside that finally fruited after sitting in the garden for like 3 months. Took so long that I remember thinking there was no way it'll fruit. It did. It only put out like a coupke grams or some, so I dried them and later down the road I busted them out with a friend we ate maybe half a gram each. My friend left before they could kick in. I went to bed then I started tripping fuckin hard. The next day I talked to him and he said he was never doing mushrooms again and that he had went to the hospital. He ended up not going in and having his driver take him back home but he thought he was dying. I think he had a concussion at the time and that's where the scare came from. He trips regularly and said hes mever tripped that hard in his life. Now I kind of believe the consolidation leads to greater potency theory, but mostly I believe that you shouldnt fuck with shrooms if you have a concussion, and I realize it was stupid of me to give my friend mushrooms at that time. Oh and the 1.7g or whatever that was leftover I brewed into tea and drank it on a hike with 2 other friends. Yea we tripped with like half of the bottle of tea. Not hard we were on a dangerous hike after all lol. My friend ended up taking the other half home with him and said he tripped like 2 more times. That was the most interesting batch of caps I ever almost didnt grow.
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: gizmo1]
#26486939 - 02/15/20 11:33 AM (3 years, 11 months ago) |
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I too have read that fruits grown in colder temps (anywhere from mid 60's Fahrenheit to 69-70) can be a bit more potent in psilocybin. I've noticed density is increased from colder temps as well. I would agree in general, they seem to pack more of a wallop
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: gizmo1]
#26486954 - 02/15/20 11:42 AM (3 years, 11 months ago) |
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gizmo1 said: But I have noticed slow shit is usually stronger for some reason.
I've found that to be generally true.
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: PrimalSoup]
#26487383 - 02/15/20 05:12 PM (3 years, 11 months ago) |
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So I bought that little induction heater linked in Pic of the day couple days ago I got a 12V 2A power supply wired and it heats the knife up great..but only the 1st inch or so. If i pass the whole length of the tool in the coil it (power indicator) flashes which I assume means shorting out.
Can this be resolved with a higher amp supply?
I dont know much about electricity
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