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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: gizmo1]
#26482211 - 02/12/20 03:37 PM (3 years, 11 months ago) |
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gizmo1 said: Oregonic welcome back. 
Thank you! I have legit missed this community, looking forward to contributing again.
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Psicomb]
#26482219 - 02/12/20 03:43 PM (3 years, 11 months ago) |
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Id say that penicillium can absolutely look just like yeast before sporulating. Especially on grain and after a shake. It will appear as grey mycellium with tiny white specs getting gradually whiter before going green/blue. Just speaking from experience with it. It is the one mold I have a shit ton of experience with I went through a 4 year downhill battle against penicillium. Then again I could have been getting yeast and penicillium at the same time I guess.
Here are a couple pics I googled that sort of show the white specs.

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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: gizmo1]
#26482226 - 02/12/20 03:45 PM (3 years, 11 months ago) |
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Looking again though that definitely looks like yeast in your jar AKA
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: gizmo1]
#26482303 - 02/12/20 04:44 PM (3 years, 11 months ago) |
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Whatever the fuck it is, it looks cheddary and isnt suppose to be there lol Maybe smoke some...
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: PrimalSoup]
#26482311 - 02/12/20 04:49 PM (3 years, 11 months ago) |
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Oregonic said: With everything I've read, everyone will probably say "it's your grain spawn", and while I can't disagree because tbh I don't know, just makes no damn sense considering nearly every jar used to always be beautiful healthy myc that colonized at good rates. I'm not saying my jars were always pe
Yeah I've had trich problems and recovered. And yeah it seems like it shows up once and then more often and then starts to show up everywhere. The spores get into shit but they don't live forever.
So #1 if it's a problem is clean everything you can manage. Maybe switch out locations for spawn running, for fruiting, the usual. Change your sub around as well. Burn your house down and use the insurance to buy a new one that's never been grown in. Or just do something else for a few years until the spores degrade. Spawn under semi-sterile conditions without any fans running or open windows. Fit out a room so you can wipe it all down and never bring anything into it that's been anywhere near the growing area.
But #2 is yeah it could be your spawn. It can look healthy and all but carry the spores or a low level infection that doesn't show up until the myc colonizes certain subs and (I guess) puts out some sort of chemical signal that the trich reads to say "party time!" That's just what it does IME. If it's bad it just shows up right at the worst time and then it makes itself a habit of that.
Compromised spawn in any way will give trich a hold. That's why usually it won't show up on healthy tubs until right near the end of flushes. It's a good reason to compost tubs that have seen their better days. Compromised spawn will invite it in before it even fruits, I had that happen just the other day with some old so-so jars that I cased out to see if they would produce anything. You see that green you gotta get it outside quick and leave it covered up while you do so...
Think about it like this - when you start out fresh you usually never see trich. It takes a while and some infestations before it gets a foothold. So figure out how to get back to fresh and go from there.
Fuck, long answer, but long question. Good luck.
This is an oddly controversial topic on the forum. With RR saying years back "you can poop in the tub when you spawn" (or sneeze or whatever he said)
I've struggled with an increasing trich problem that has worsened as my colonized spawn has greatly improved. Yet the near universal advice is that its always the spawns fault.
I think its possible to reach a spore load (in my case from years of fruiting w/ trich) that can make a tub go bad from mixing up your substrate in room air.
I really liked hearing a TC admit trich can fuck your shit up with perfect spawn.
I got so excited I started a thread.... https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/26482329#26482329
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: tedoro]
#26482692 - 02/12/20 08:17 PM (3 years, 11 months ago) |
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If you've got spores in the air they can settle right in.
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: PrimalSoup]
#26482821 - 02/12/20 09:31 PM (3 years, 11 months ago) |
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I read up a bit on trich and it likes warm, not hot temps. So I changed up my coir prep. I used to mix it up a few hours after I added boiling water. Now I only mix it up at the beginning (I tear the coir into little pieces) Then I mix it again right before I add spawn. This way I avoid dirty room air getting into my bucket at temps trich loves. I'm also taking steps to spawn cleaner. Everything up on clean tables and I kill the furnace 30 minutes before.
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: tedoro]
#26482840 - 02/12/20 09:46 PM (3 years, 11 months ago) |
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and you what trich really likes ? stagnant air , high co2 levels and acidic PH , how are you colonizing your tubs ? i started leaving the top holes half open while colonizing ( i guess fruiting at spawning at some level ) and trich stopped , also adding gypsum will get the ph neutral wich is not what trich likes, any trich spores that land on your sub will find a hostile enviroment and won't germinate , mycelium is stronger and won't care that much
try it and good luck
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: dmppb]
#26482841 - 02/12/20 09:50 PM (3 years, 11 months ago) |
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dmppb said: and you what trich really likes ? stagnant air , high co2 levels and acidic PH , how are you colonizing your tubs ? i started leaving the top holes half open while colonizing ( i guess fruiting at spawning at some level ) and trich stopped , also adding gypsum will get the ph neutral wich is not what trich likes, any trich spores that land on your sub will find a hostile enviroment and won't germinate , mycelium is stronger and won't care that much
try it and good luck
Did you plan that out your registration date. 11/11/11 I never noticed before but thats pretty cool lol.
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: gizmo1]
#26482874 - 02/12/20 10:11 PM (3 years, 11 months ago) |
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dmppb said: and you what trich really likes ? stagnant air , high co2 levels and acidic PH , how are you colonizing your tubs ? i started leaving the top holes half open while colonizing ( i guess fruiting at spawning at some level ) and trich stopped , also adding gypsum will get the ph neutral wich is not what trich likes, any trich spores that land on your sub will find a hostile enviroment and won't germinate , mycelium is stronger and won't care that much
try it and good luck
Did you plan that out your registration date. 11/11/11 I never noticed before but thats pretty cool lol.
total accident dude ! got lucky
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Beezorp]
#26482875 - 02/12/20 10:11 PM (3 years, 11 months ago) |
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How does one soak with a shoebox that uses a liner? Do I take the substrate out of the liner to soak or just fill the shoebox and drain? Also what duration of soaking time have people dialed in for shoeboxes?
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: dmppb]
#26482879 - 02/12/20 10:12 PM (3 years, 11 months ago) |
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Well id say its a weird coincidence combine that with the fact you just replies to me at 11:11 and it makes me think something weird is going on lmao.
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: dmppb]
#26482900 - 02/12/20 10:36 PM (3 years, 11 months ago) |
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dmppb said: and you what trich really likes ? stagnant air , high co2 levels and acidic PH , how are you colonizing your tubs ? i started leaving the top holes half open while colonizing ( i guess fruiting at spawning at some level ) and trich stopped , also adding gypsum will get the ph neutral wich is not what trich likes, any trich spores that land on your sub will find a hostile enviroment and won't germinate , mycelium is stronger and won't care that much
try it and good luck
I've tried everything. I'm currently using unmodified 28q under bed sterilites, which are quite breezy. I add gypsum to my grains, stopped adding to my coir. I'll start again. How much do you add to, say a brick?
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: tedoro]
#26482936 - 02/12/20 11:28 PM (3 years, 11 months ago) |
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dmppb said: and you what trich really likes ? stagnant air , high co2 levels and acidic PH , how are you colonizing your tubs ? i started leaving the top holes half open while colonizing ( i guess fruiting at spawning at some level ) and trich stopped , also adding gypsum will get the ph neutral wich is not what trich likes, any trich spores that land on your sub will find a hostile enviroment and won't germinate , mycelium is stronger and won't care that much
try it and good luck
I've tried everything. I'm currently using unmodified 28q under bed sterilites, which are quite breezy. I add gypsum to my grains, stopped adding to my coir. I'll start again. How much do you add to, say a brick?
I always go for a handful I dont measure at all. Im pretty sure gypsum doesn't do much for PH though. It will change it a little but its not going to fix your mold problem. What finally helped me beat my 4 year battle with mold was delving deeper into agar and really learning to examine and get an eye for it. Tightening up my sterile tek, and last but certainly not least I've been posting everything to shroomery and having the good folks here help me to judge my plates and spawn while at the same time training my eye to recognize the good from the bad and the ugly. Anything sort of questionable I straight toss into the compost. I get plenty of garden mushrooms though so its not a complete waste.
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: gizmo1]
#26482938 - 02/12/20 11:33 PM (3 years, 11 months ago) |
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Tedoro have you tried changing out substrate all together. Thats what Croncr did and I believe it helped him out. I havemt really checked in on rhe thread in awhile butni believe he saod the same cultures that were growing mold on coir were doing fine on straw.
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: gizmo1]
#26482941 - 02/12/20 11:35 PM (3 years, 11 months ago) |
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dmppb said: and you what trich really likes ? stagnant air , high co2 levels and acidic PH , how are you colonizing your tubs ? i started leaving the top holes half open while colonizing ( i guess fruiting at spawning at some level ) and trich stopped , also adding gypsum will get the ph neutral wich is not what trich likes, any trich spores that land on your sub will find a hostile enviroment and won't germinate , mycelium is stronger and won't care that much
try it and good luck
I've tried everything. I'm currently using unmodified 28q under bed sterilites, which are quite breezy. I add gypsum to my grains, stopped adding to my coir. I'll start again. How much do you add to, say a brick?
I always go for a handful I dont measure at all. Im pretty sure gypsum doesn't do much for PH though. It will change it a little but its not going to fix your mold problem. What finally helped me beat my 4 year battle with mold was delving deeper into agar and really learning to examine and get an eye for it. Tightening up my sterile tek, and last but certainly not least I've been posting everything to shroomery and having the good folks here help me to judge my plates and spawn while at the same time training my eye to recognize the good from the bad and the ugly. Anything sort of questionable I straight toss into the compost. K get plenty of garden fruits though so its not a complete waste.
yeah , a handfull per brick , i recommend you make a proper experiment side by side , can't hurt
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: dmppb]
#26483096 - 02/13/20 04:06 AM (3 years, 11 months ago) |
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I ran out of gypsum not so long ago and now Iβve started putting a teaspoonful of wood ash from my log burner into my grains and it seems to be working a treat and itβs free! Raises the PH slightly so more hostile for the contams and prevents the clumping of grain as far as I can tell.
When it comes to making substrate Iβll be adding some wood ash there too, imagine itβs would have the same effect by slightly raising ph
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Smoothcat]
#26483179 - 02/13/20 06:47 AM (3 years, 11 months ago) |
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That feeling when what you thought was an APE clone starts pinning, and it ain't APE..
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Oregonic]
#26483207 - 02/13/20 07:31 AM (3 years, 11 months ago) |
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Oregonic said: Before getting back into the swing of things would it be adequate to test my flowhood by leaving a few open dishes in front of it to see if I pick up any contams? What would be a reasonable number of plates/tests and what length of time to let t he plates sit without showing contams in order to deem the FH safe?
Yes that is definitely a good idea, and logically to me, it would make sense to leave a couple plates open in front of the FH then close them up at varying intervals. eg Plate 1 left open for 2 hours, Plate 2 open for 5 hours, etc. Theoretically, you should be able to keep a plate open indefinitely.
What kind of spawn/sub ratio were you running?
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: gizmo1]
#26483314 - 02/13/20 09:03 AM (3 years, 11 months ago) |
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gizmo1 said: Tedoro have you tried changing out substrate all together. Thats what Croncr did and I believe it helped him out. I havemt really checked in on rhe thread in awhile butni believe he saod the same cultures that were growing mold on coir were doing fine on straw.
I'll keep that in mind. Coir is so successful for so many peeps, I gotta be able to make it work. I am using fancier stuff now. Growit blocks really take water in and hold it.
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