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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: spiritlands] 1
#26479181 - 02/10/20 07:34 PM (3 years, 11 months ago) |
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Gallons work fine for me if I use a pint of colonized grains to inoculate with or better still the slurryinahurry tek. I only load them 2/3 full and sometimes I start colonizing on their side so the bottom of the jar doesn't get anaerobic. These are all 4 days old.
  Shook the left two, never shook the right one.
Those are 1/2 gallon jars...
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: AyePlus]
#26479206 - 02/10/20 07:58 PM (3 years, 11 months ago) |
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You're right, I just went to the store to check the sizes. These were given to me I didn't buy them. But one colonized pint to inoculate as many of these as I want to. Either way each jar is enough to spawn a mono.
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: AyePlus]
#26479207 - 02/10/20 07:59 PM (3 years, 11 months ago) |
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Supplemented substrate for gourmets need to be sterilised, think bran & woodchip, sawdust and soy hull etc. I see most folk doing it in filter bags and inoculating with grain spawn then slitting or opening the bags when fully colonised.
I figure I could save plastic by making up my substrate then pcβ ing in jars, then transferring the sterilised substrate into a shoebox or mono or whatever (in flowhood) with pre drilled holes or slits covered with micro pore then inoculated and then remove tape when inducing fruiting....just a thought and Iβm probably gonna try it and let you know how it goes.
For actives tho reckon just using for grain (tempted to try stones too) and just g2g loads and then have a shit load of spawn. But like spiritlands said watch out they donβt go anaerobic
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Smoothcat]
#26479265 - 02/10/20 08:35 PM (3 years, 11 months ago) |
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Oh ok, so using colonized spawn to mix into your substrate. I don't see why you couldn't use a liner in a mono leave the top of the liner and mix your straw or dust in with the spawn. Tie up the top of the liner for 10 days or so and then cut that out when fully colonized. I know for a lot of the oysters i have grown, when they spore its a freaking mess. This is why I like suspended bags with slits. I wonder if you can do logs of saw dust and bran in pantyhose for some of the wood lovers.
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Sockadin]
#26479282 - 02/10/20 08:47 PM (3 years, 11 months ago) |
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I was just wondering today if I could add bran to my grain jar for gourmets that way I could have supplemented bags without having to PC the sawdust and work with bags in my SAB.
The bran would be sterilized with the oats, and once at 100% I could spawn to lipa tek'd HWFP without all the hassle of sterile bags in the SAB
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Sockadin]
#26479287 - 02/10/20 08:49 PM (3 years, 11 months ago) |
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No, bran needs to be in some kind of sterile vessel like bags or jars, it would contaminate in pantyhose.
You don't need to sterilize straight sawdust or woodchips.
Yes you can add bran to grains if you wanted to.
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I figure I could save plastic by making up my substrate then pcβ ing in jars, then transferring the sterilised substrate into a shoebox or mono or whatever
You could purchase some standard industry grow bottles meant for top fruiting gourmets, they're made out of reusable pp5.
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Feasoghorm]
#26479288 - 02/10/20 08:50 PM (3 years, 11 months ago) |
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gizmo1 said: So yesterday I encountered my first sweet smelling spawn. What is this supposed to be indicative of was it bacteria?
Yeah, indicative of bacteria.
Wtf is going on here? My WBS prep is jst rinse the dust/floaters off, boil the shit, drain the shit, load & pc. Grian must be massively inconsistent. I thnk berries are a bitch cuz ya gotta make some kinda fucking mouse trampoline and a big ass fan to dry them son-bitches.
Just oats. If you simmer, boil or blanch wheat or rye berries they steam dry in no time. Even with oats instead of rinsing them afterwards you can blanch them in clean boiling water or pour it over them and get them dry in no time. That waiting 24 hours for them to dry shit wasnt for me so I figured out how to rinse the starch off and have them come out of the pressure cooker dry without the 24 hour wait.
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: gizmo1]
#26480133 - 02/11/20 01:03 PM (3 years, 11 months ago) |
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I did a little experiment. Made the substrate thick on one end and thin on the other it gradually tapered off. Surface conditions were kept up the entire time.


 What happened was it pinned way better on the deep side. But this was also MS so so take it for what it is.
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: gizmo1]
#26480137 - 02/11/20 01:05 PM (3 years, 11 months ago) |
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Huh. It also looks way more colonized that side.
Iβve done whole shoeboxes thinner and thicker to see but never tried tapering like that, maybe Iβll give it a shot with my next clone jar.
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: A.k.a]
#26480166 - 02/11/20 01:21 PM (3 years, 11 months ago) |
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it's been a while. Like two years since last post. Back up and running. Feels great! Here's two 1:2 RW monos on day 5 and about 50 jars coming (RW, B+, KSS, APE, TPB). it's been a bit so lmk how my surface is looking in the unbodified tubs. no misting yet, havent touched - don't plan on it until harvest. thanks in advance - happy 2020 yall.


one week update. forgot how long F1/F2 whytes take to pin. but iβm so stoked. usually theyβre 14 days to pin in optimal conditions right? how has it been stabilized in the last year? anyone care to shine some light to a thread? anyway. much love yβall.

six days from last post. RW originally spawned on the 23rd (~18 days). have been in fruiting since day 3 temps started out at 65 but last week has been kept 70-72. thoughts on why so few? thanks in advance!
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: A.k.a]
#26480222 - 02/11/20 01:50 PM (3 years, 11 months ago) |
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A.k.a said: Huh. It also looks way more colonized that side.
Iβve done whole shoeboxes thinner and thicker to see but never tried tapering like that, maybe Iβll give it a shot with my next clone jar.
Which makes me think it could have more to do with insulation and temps. We always knew that a thicker substrate does better because of moisture retention. But a substrate that is slightly dryer is supposed to colonize better than one thats slightly wet. Here the thick side colonized better and faster than the thin side. Makes me think the thicker substrate puts off more heat and insulates itself better causing faster colonization. Just a theory though it would be interesting to set up a experiment to monitor heat put off of thick sub verses thin.
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: gizmo1]
#26480408 - 02/11/20 02:57 PM (3 years, 11 months ago) |
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There was a pic a while back of this really thin sub with massive fruits, made me go "huh?" Maybe it was photoshopped? My experience is always thicker is better, up to something like four inches or so...
Would be interesting to do a tub and step it instead of taper...but it still doesn't prove it because I don't really know how far the myc transports stuff.
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: PrimalSoup]
#26480418 - 02/11/20 03:02 PM (3 years, 11 months ago) |
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I remember RR posting a pic of a huge fruit growing off of a tiny amount of sub, this was years ago and can't seem to find it.
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Stipe-n Cap]
#26480421 - 02/11/20 03:05 PM (3 years, 11 months ago) |
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This guy grew out of 1qt shoebox
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: mushboy]
#26480430 - 02/11/20 03:11 PM (3 years, 11 months ago) |
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Yeah but I mean it was a decent canopy too. May have to go back and find it...
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: PrimalSoup]
#26480719 - 02/11/20 05:39 PM (3 years, 11 months ago) |
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These are about the biggest Iβve gotten off 1 quart shoeboxes. But I was out of town and they were the only second flushers from a trich covered sub.
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: A.k.a]
#26480816 - 02/11/20 06:34 PM (3 years, 11 months ago) |
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  Tomorrow will be 3 weeks for these guys (Cambodians) is now a good time for another shake?
   These (Treasure Coast) are on day 25 - not looking quite as good. Wanted some advice from the community they're all g2g transfers. Cambodians always colonized quicker come to think of it, but damn the treasure coast is pretty. I'm excited!
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: PrimalSoup]
#26480831 - 02/11/20 06:43 PM (3 years, 11 months ago) |
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PrimalSoup said: There was a pic a while back of this really thin sub with massive fruits, made me go "huh?" Maybe it was photoshopped? My experience is always thicker is better, up to something like four inches or so...
Would be interesting to do a tub and step it instead of taper...but it still doesn't prove it because I don't really know how far the myc transports stuff.
This can be your cool next project..... Hint Hint!
Using a clone, make 4 shoeboxes off the same master grain (at %30 hydration) 4 can be the control. Normal 4 inch sub and then do 1-2-3 to see if there is any difference in size, canopy and flushes overall.
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Sockadin]
#26480961 - 02/11/20 07:52 PM (3 years, 11 months ago) |
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Yea you can definitely grow huge mushrooms off of thin substrate, and honestly I never said you couldn't im not sure where that came from but im thinking this is more of a colonization time thing. The thin side is fruiting still just slower. I used my infared thermometer and the thin side is almost exactly one degree cooler than the thick side I dont know how to get a acurate reading of the center but im guessing the temp difference would be greater in the center of the sub. I mean I could stick a meat thermometer in the sub but my thermometer doesnt read below like 120Β°F. My theory is a thicker sub heats up more and therefore colonizes faster. Can anyone think of a good way to test this? Maybe run a isolate in two seperate tubs one thick one thin and put a temp probe in the center of each to monitor temps while growing? Then see which one colonizes and which ine fruits faster.
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: gizmo1]
#26480993 - 02/11/20 08:13 PM (3 years, 11 months ago) |
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Thats pretty good thinking. I wouldn't need more than your exterior measurement to convince me. Clearly the interior is warmer than that. Others have mentioned that thinner substrates dry out quicker, as they must... so you might need to isolate the differences somehow. Perhaps the drying slows them, no?
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