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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: jdawg333]
    #26462582 - 01/31/20 05:58 PM (3 years, 11 months ago)

I started with Bods's but have never tried Frank's.
To clarify a bit though, WBS(birdseed)\oats\rye\etc is not substrate and all have their own quirks. You can use which ever you want for your grain but as a beginner I recommend WBS. As for sub, that is the coir\verm mix or variation of that most beginner teks use. Some people use more complex mixes but for starting, coir\verm or straight coir is the way to go in :2cents:


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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Randalf the Grey]
    #26462614 - 01/31/20 06:19 PM (3 years, 11 months ago)

I mixed up spawn and substrate, oops!. Good to know that Frank's isn't the be-all-end-all, I was starting to think that must be the way to go for how thorough and careful it is.


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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: jdawg333]
    #26462628 - 01/31/20 06:25 PM (3 years, 11 months ago)

I'm still new and learning myself but I started with Bods's but have been doing mostly mini monos. But process is all the same. Noc up some WBS jars of grain, dump spawn into tub with coir\verm, mix and mist and forget for a while. Does get any more simple for me. I use micropore tape instead of poly to make it easier but to each his own with that. There are lots of debates and discussion on the topic on here.
Not saying it is the way, but all of my teks and ratios and stuff is in the link in my signature just to see what I started with.

P.S. didn't mean to call you out or be a smartass about the sub. :smile: I'm sure you'll see I make tons of spelling\grammar errors, just didn't want to not correct it on the off chance you were legitimately confused.


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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Randalf the Grey]
    #26462965 - 02/01/20 12:25 AM (3 years, 11 months ago)

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I'm still new and learning myself but I started with Bods's but have been doing mostly mini monos. But process is all the same. Noc up some WBS jars of grain, dump spawn into tub with coir\verm, mix and mist and forget for a while. Does get any more simple for me. I use micropore tape instead of poly to make it easier but to each his own with that. There are lots of debates and discussion on the topic on here.
Not saying it is the way, but all of my teks and ratios and stuff is in the link in my signature just to see what I started with.

P.S. didn't mean to call you out or be a smartass about the sub. :smile: I'm sure you'll see I make tons of spelling\grammar errors, just didn't want to not correct it on the off chance you were legitimately confused.



Hold up where do you use MP tape? On the tubs? I figured since you said you used bods tub style that you used unmodded tubs, which led me to think you’re talking about... MP tape for jar lids?  I’ve been wanted to move away from poly just because prepping even a 12 case of poly-jar-lids takes me an hour with my OCD.

I would love to just use micropore tape on my jar lids but have heard it’s hit or miss.


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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: jbgtaa]
    #26462988 - 02/01/20 01:30 AM (3 years, 11 months ago)

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Randalf the Grey said:
I'm still new and learning myself but I started with Bods's but have been doing mostly mini monos. But process is all the same. Noc up some WBS jars of grain, dump spawn into tub with coir\verm, mix and mist and forget for a while. Does get any more simple for me. I use micropore tape instead of poly to make it easier but to each his own with that. There are lots of debates and discussion on the topic on here.
Not saying it is the way, but all of my teks and ratios and stuff is in the link in my signature just to see what I started with.

P.S. didn't mean to call you out or be a smartass about the sub. :smile: I'm sure you'll see I make tons of spelling\grammar errors, just didn't want to not correct it on the off chance you were legitimately confused.



Hold up where do you use MP tape? On the tubs? I figured since you said you used bods tub style that you used unmodded tubs, which led me to think you’re talking about... MP tape for jar lids?  I’ve been wanted to move away from poly just because prepping even a 12 case of poly-jar-lids takes me an hour with my OCD.

I would love to just use micropore tape on my jar lids but have heard it’s hit or miss.



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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: gizmo1]
    #26462993 - 02/01/20 01:48 AM (3 years, 11 months ago)

I’ve got a good amount of them still, but they’re too expensive for the amount of spawn I use. I’m on a break right now but go through my gallery. My last run consisted of nearly 20 tubs all with 3qts each. I know I can cut them but that’s more time than just stuffing with poly, and at that point it’s cheaper to use poly considering it’s 10 dollars for a bag that I’m not even finished with yet, and works just as welL.

Obviously they’re preferable but really I don’t mind stuffing lids all that much, considering the amount of money it saves me. On the other hand, if I could buy a roll of MP tape and do over 100 jars that would be even more cost-effective than polyfil. Either way my OCD would have me working on perfectly cut SFDs for the same amount of time for more money.

They’re preferable, but not cost effective or proven to be better than polyfil in my case. I’ve got them poly-lids down pat to the point that I truly trust the fuck out of them.


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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: jbgtaa]
    #26463001 - 02/01/20 02:33 AM (3 years, 11 months ago)

Fuck my bad man, I didn't mean to add to the confusion. I did end up using modified tubs for the set and forget aspect of them. I meant mp on tubs but used it on jars for a long time. Just do 3 or 4 layers. I switched to SFD when I started doing more jars. Those layers add up quickly and tearing and placing little bits of tape is tedious


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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Randalf the Grey] * 1
    #26463056 - 02/01/20 05:04 AM (3 years, 11 months ago)

Another couple questions - sorry this stuff might seem very obvious to you but I'm a first timer :smile:

Fuzzy legs on my shrooms seem to be getting even fuzzier - should I start doing something about it?

I noticed some of the shrooms that are very close to the sides of the container have little blue spots at the bottom - I presume this is bruising caused by being squashed against the box?

Also, see the photos of the underneath of the cap of the biggest ones - how far do you reckon I am from harvesting? And when I do, the instructions say to harvest all of them at once - is that what you also recommend, or should I just pick the ones that are ready and wait for the others to grow?




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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Moorhen]
    #26463066 - 02/01/20 05:21 AM (3 years, 11 months ago)

The two biggies are just about ready, I'd wait with the other ones untill they also look like the two faster ones


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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Tweeq]
    #26463077 - 02/01/20 05:44 AM (3 years, 11 months ago)

Does anyone still use Syringe Filters on their jar lids? I have had pretty good success with them. Just drill a hole and put a little gasket RTV makers down, plop it in and let dry.


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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Sockadin]
    #26463121 - 02/01/20 06:44 AM (3 years, 11 months ago)



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Got my first agar to spawn completed and the bags are looking outstanding..used spore prints from these GTs ..


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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: jdawg333]
    #26463240 - 02/01/20 08:46 AM (3 years, 11 months ago)

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What do you think would be a better model for a complete beginner's tub, Bod's or Frank's?




If i may add :2cents: i think Bod's is more absolute beginner friendly and a great jumpstart to go from zero knowledge to harvest. It's no frills, no extra BS, nothing too complicated. I think Frank's is a more rewarding, and definitely geared for someone who has a grow or 5 under their belt. Not saying a total newb can't start with Frank's, but it is a steeper learning curve. They both certainly have immense knowledge in cult, so you can't go wrong either way :chugbeer: I like Frank's methods better simply because Bod is too laid back for me. I like precision and specificity, that's just my nature.


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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: jbgtaa]
    #26463265 - 02/01/20 09:08 AM (3 years, 11 months ago)

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jbgtaa said:
I’ve got a good amount of them still, but they’re too expensive for the amount of spawn I use. I’m on a break right now but go through my gallery. My last run consisted of nearly 20 tubs all with 3qts each. I know I can cut them but that’s more time than just stuffing with poly, and at that point it’s cheaper to use poly considering it’s 10 dollars for a bag that I’m not even finished with yet, and works just as welL.

Obviously they’re preferable but really I don’t mind stuffing lids all that much, considering the amount of money it saves me. On the other hand, if I could buy a roll of MP tape and do over 100 jars that would be even more cost-effective than polyfil. Either way my OCD would have me working on perfectly cut SFDs for the same amount of time for more money.

They’re preferable, but not cost effective or proven to be better than polyfil in my case. I’ve got them poly-lids down pat to the point that I truly trust the fuck out of them.






i used mp on jar lids for years , it sucked ass , they can tear or get perforated without you noticing , then replacing them is is a pain ,  i just changed to sfds and loved them , just do it once and forget about it for years maybe


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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Moorhen]
    #26463330 - 02/01/20 09:52 AM (3 years, 11 months ago)

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Another couple questions - sorry this stuff might seem very obvious to you but I'm a first timer :smile:

Fuzzy legs on my shrooms seem to be getting even fuzzier - should I start doing something about it?

I noticed some of the shrooms that are very close to the sides of the container have little blue spots at the bottom - I presume this is bruising caused by being squashed against the box?

Also, see the photos of the underneath of the cap of the biggest ones - how far do you reckon I am from harvesting? And when I do, the instructions say to harvest all of them at once - is that what you also recommend, or should I just pick the ones that are ready and wait for the others to grow?







You can harvest individually. I cut them as low as possible with a sharp* knife. Those big boys are ready.

The fuzzy feet are from low FAE.


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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: jbgtaa]
    #26463358 - 02/01/20 10:10 AM (3 years, 11 months ago)

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jbgtaa said:
I’ve got a good amount of them still, but they’re too expensive for the amount of spawn I use. I’m on a break right now but go through my gallery. My last run consisted of nearly 20 tubs all with 3qts each. I know I can cut them but that’s more time than just stuffing with poly, and at that point it’s cheaper to use poly considering it’s 10 dollars for a bag that I’m not even finished with yet, and works just as welL.

Obviously they’re preferable but really I don’t mind stuffing lids all that much, considering the amount of money it saves me. On the other hand, if I could buy a roll of MP tape and do over 100 jars that would be even more cost-effective than polyfil. Either way my OCD would have me working on perfectly cut SFDs for the same amount of time for more money.

They’re preferable, but not cost effective or proven to be better than polyfil in my case. I’ve got them poly-lids down pat to the point that I truly trust the fuck out of them.



Id say if you are running that many jars at once it would make sense to just switch over to bags.


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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: gizmo1]
    #26463528 - 02/01/20 11:57 AM (3 years, 11 months ago)

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jbgtaa said:
I’ve got a good amount of them still, but they’re too expensive for the amount of spawn I use. I’m on a break right now but go through my gallery. My last run consisted of nearly 20 tubs all with 3qts each. I know I can cut them but that’s more time than just stuffing with poly, and at that point it’s cheaper to use poly considering it’s 10 dollars for a bag that I’m not even finished with yet, and works just as welL.

Obviously they’re preferable but really I don’t mind stuffing lids all that much, considering the amount of money it saves me. On the other hand, if I could buy a roll of MP tape and do over 100 jars that would be even more cost-effective than polyfil. Either way my OCD would have me working on perfectly cut SFDs for the same amount of time for more money.

They’re preferable, but not cost effective or proven to be better than polyfil in my case. I’ve got them poly-lids down pat to the point that I truly trust the fuck out of them.



Id say if you are running that many jars at once it would make sense to just switch over to bags.



It forsure would make sense :rofl2: just having good success with jars and have only tried a few bags which were unsuccessful due to user error :/ not trying to revamp a good thing lol

But yes for that amount of spawn it would have been far easier, cheaper, and space saving that jars. I don’t have a flowhood though


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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Moorhen]
    #26463607 - 02/01/20 12:39 PM (3 years, 11 months ago)

Cool pictures. :thumbup:

Also, just a general reminder to anyone, never use heating pads ever. They have no place in cultivation. The Tip for the Day.


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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: LogicaL Chaos]
    #26463676 - 02/01/20 01:21 PM (3 years, 11 months ago)

I'm harvesting for the first time, and the cross section of the stems is kind of greenish. Is this normal?





I know I've probably over-misted (going by the split caps) and FAE probably wasn't great (going by the fuzzy feet), but I'm wondering if these are safe to eat.


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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: moorsie]
    #26463689 - 02/01/20 01:26 PM (3 years, 11 months ago)

They're safe.  The "green" is bruising in the stems.  Sometimes they'll bruise green, sometimes blue, sometimes combination, or not at all. :shrug:

The fuzzys are just myc.


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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: moorsie]
    #26463723 - 02/01/20 01:44 PM (3 years, 11 months ago)

Ah OK - that's good to know. Thanks! :grin:


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