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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: mushboy]
    #26457117 - 01/28/20 03:49 PM (4 years, 2 days ago)

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Liquid (syrupy) LME or powder?





Powder. I got the liquid shit too but I've never used it




Yeah it seems like from what I can remember from my short stint making beer is that its messy syrup. Gonna go powder

edit: what are the modern views after mixing spawn with substrate? Allow substrate to colonize and then go into fruiting conditions or fruiting conditions immediately?


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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: CocaineBuffet]
    #26457149 - 01/28/20 04:04 PM (4 years, 2 days ago)

Fruit at spawning.

I think the differences between the two are made up differences. An illusion of control.

Just my uneducated assumption. Unless you seal up a tub air tight its all fruit at spawning imo.


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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: mushboy]
    #26457183 - 01/28/20 04:23 PM (4 years, 2 days ago)

powder is cheaper gram for gram of the actual goods. liquid is nice for brewing so it doesn't clump when you add it to a hot boiling pot but for this purpose powder for sure.


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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: trubblesome]
    #26457224 - 01/28/20 04:48 PM (4 years, 2 days ago)

Thanks for the wise words :rockon:


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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: trubblesome]
    #26457231 - 01/28/20 04:50 PM (4 years, 2 days ago)

:2cents:
The only difference I noticed when switching from col\fruit to just fruiting at spawn was an uneven first pinning. Not uneven in spacial relation, but uneven in timing.
As mushboy said though, I didn't do any side by sides with isolated strain so only first hand experience and judgment.
For what it is a worth, I have been "fruiting at spawn" ever since.


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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Randalf the Grey]
    #26457352 - 01/28/20 06:13 PM (4 years, 2 days ago)

Are we supposed to be adding the casing layer at spawn as well? Bc I tried fruiting at spawn and no casing on my last tubs. What happened was I got some kind of powder mold on exposed grains. Thrashed 4 tubs bc of it, never had that happen before but I usually colonize/case. This time I've mixed my spawn and added a top layer to cover the grains.


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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: spiritlands]
    #26457354 - 01/28/20 06:15 PM (4 years, 2 days ago)

:shrug: I've always added a top layer of coir/verm at spawn.


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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: spiritlands]
    #26457365 - 01/28/20 06:22 PM (4 years, 2 days ago)

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Are we supposed to be adding the casing layer at spawn as well? Bc I tried fruiting at spawn and no casing on my last tubs. What happened was I got some kind of powder mold on exposed grains. Thrashed 4 tubs bc of it, never had that happen before but I usually colonize/case. This time I've mixed my spawn and added a top layer to cover the grains.



You're grains should have been already colonized with mushroom mycelium and therefore contams resistant. This wasn't due to lack of top layer or fruiting at spawn. Either had mold in the grain or grain was colonized if I had to guess what happened. Maybe weak mycelium due to bacteria let mold grab a foothold on the grains. Something happened but it wasn't due to not having top layer.


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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Smoothcat]
    #26457394 - 01/28/20 06:34 PM (4 years, 2 days ago)

My filter had a felt like gasket on the entrance side I believe. I ended up just caulking the shit out of the metal rim of the filter when I made my box so it sealed.

I am not sure if the direction of air is as important as the rate of air flow. When I first built my flow hood I made a box and left like a 10 inch deep area between my blower entrance and my filter and it just wouldn't build up enough static pressure to be efficient. I have recently rebuild said flowhood leaving 2 inches between the blower entrance and the filter entrance and have had much better success.


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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: spiritlands] * 1
    #26457398 - 01/28/20 06:35 PM (4 years, 2 days ago)

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Are we supposed to be adding the casing layer at spawn as well? Bc I tried fruiting at spawn and no casing on my last tubs. What happened was I got some kind of powder mold on exposed grains. Thrashed 4 tubs bc of it, never had that happen before but I usually colonize/case. This time I've mixed my spawn and added a top layer to cover the grains.





Mold has nothing to do with how you spawn/fruit. Exposed colonized grains are not vectors.


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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: mushboy]
    #26457466 - 01/28/20 07:14 PM (4 years, 2 days ago)


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Are we supposed to be adding the casing layer at spawn as well? Bc I tried fruiting at spawn and no casing on my last tubs. What happened was I got some kind of powder mold on exposed grains. Thrashed 4 tubs bc of it, never had that happen before but I usually colonize/case. This time I've mixed my spawn and added a top layer to cover the grains.





Mold has nothing to do with how you spawn/fruit. Exposed colonized grains are not vectors.




Ya I agree. So those tubs were the first time I tried the slurry tek and the jars were 100% white when I spawned them but they were only 5 days old, I think the outsides of the grain looked more colonized than they actually were. It made me think a top layer is prob a good idea so I did it on this round of subs. I'm also letting the jars sit longer even if they colonize real fast.

I've been out of the hobby a long time and what I thought I knew is outdated so I'm trying a lot of things for the first time rn. I'm relearning everything. I'm from the heat-bomb days...
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: spiritlands]
    #26457558 - 01/28/20 08:04 PM (4 years, 2 days ago)

What’s a heat bomb?


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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: feldman114]
    #26457586 - 01/28/20 08:16 PM (4 years, 2 days ago)


A fishtank heater glued in a water bottle. Ppl used them to incubate jars. It's something laughed at now days but ten years ago ppl made them. Not suggesting to use one.
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: spiritlands]
    #26457632 - 01/28/20 08:48 PM (4 years, 2 days ago)

Is it completely out of the question that spawning grain to coir could be a bit dangerous in the same location you put moldy tubs into garbage bags? Word is coir is impossible to mold, but isn't there a limit to its resilience to contams? I mean, it is after the pasteurization. Does anyone take lengths to spawn in cleanliness?


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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: tedoro]
    #26457643 - 01/28/20 08:57 PM (4 years, 2 days ago)

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Does anyone take lengths to spawn in cleanliness?



Ya. I try to make/keep everything as clean as possible.


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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Feasoghorm]
    #26457648 - 01/28/20 09:00 PM (4 years, 2 days ago)

Yeah I generally sweep, wipe down surfaces with iso and turn the fan off, make sure I’m wearing cleanish clothes and have freshly washed hands before spawning. I know its not entirely
Necessary but it feels good to have a clean workspace before starting anything IMO


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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Sockadin]
    #26457651 - 01/28/20 09:01 PM (4 years, 2 days ago)

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So just for the science of it, ive been working with woodchips and for sure mycelium runs faster on fermented chips than straight chips.  Im sitting in the airport off for 6 weeksbut im curious as to what leaving coir in water for 2 weeks to ferment would do for speeds. 

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It would be interesting to have a shoebox competition, from 1 quart inoculation to first fruit speed comp using whatever method you want.




Ok I am doing this... But let's use some wine making additives for killing all the baddie.. going to supersoak a brick and add potassium sulfite to kill baddies. Let it off gas for a day or two and mix in some fermimax yeast nutrient and then some yeasts and let sit for 5 days. Then we can drain the coir and try mixing. I wish I had some clone jars already made to test the sub speeds with.




Niceone, im watching.  I will test when I get back to the Uk too


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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: tedoro]
    #26457654 - 01/28/20 09:03 PM (4 years, 2 days ago)

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Is it completely out of the question that spawning grain to coir could be a bit dangerous in the same location you put moldy tubs into garbage bags? Word is coir is impossible to mold, but isn't there a limit to its resilience to contams? I mean, it is after the pasteurization. Does anyone take lengths to spawn in cleanliness?



It is NOT impossible for coir to mold. That is not the word. Bird is lmao.
I wouldn't worry about the mold spores in the air though mold spores dont like to germination coir.


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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: tedoro]
    #26457663 - 01/28/20 09:12 PM (4 years, 2 days ago)

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Is it completely out of the question that spawning grain to coir could be a bit dangerous in the same location you put moldy tubs into garbage bags? Word is coir is impossible to mold, but isn't there a limit to its resilience to contams? I mean, it is after the pasteurization. Does anyone take lengths to spawn in cleanliness?



Coir is not impossible to mold. Especially if it’s too wet or already had some mold spores on it, which is extremely likely for everything that exists on earth.


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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: jbgtaa]
    #26457667 - 01/28/20 09:16 PM (4 years, 2 days ago)

I have my first shoebox that is starting to side pin (first pins ever!). The substrate is Black Kow and the substrate hasn't really pulled itself from the walls quite yet. If I see around 4 or 5 sidepins would the substrate be dense enough to be squeezed out into a mono tub for fruiting?


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