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AyePlus
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Stipe-n Cap]
#26432227 - 01/13/20 09:23 PM (4 years, 17 days ago) |
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Sometimes the oats are kinda wack and theres a large percentage of empty hulls but it will still work. Those are usually floating at the top and can be skimmed off but I dont bother.
Fuck oats. Try and get wheat or rye if possible I personally think its easier to prep properly and I’ve cooked 100’s of lbs of both for a gourmet operation. Oats are my last choice, for master jars I like milo or 1/2 millet 1/2 rye and I like wheat or rye best for bags.
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Stipe-n Cap]
#26432251 - 01/13/20 09:39 PM (4 years, 17 days ago) |
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spiritlands said: What are those? Mine don't have the hulls still on them but I buy wheat berries from the bulk section of our grocery store. Maybe those are for feed or something.
yea there from a feed store, whole oats, that what the threads say to use, there for horses.Quote:
Yes they're fine, squeeze the kernel out from the hull, cut the kernel in half to check how hydrated it is. If the center is entirely white keep going until they test clear. It takes roughly 30 mins at a boil.
will do thanks for the tip!
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AyePlus said: Sometimes the oats are kinda wack and theres a large percentage of empty hulls but it will still work. Those are usually floating at the top and can be skimmed off but I dont bother.
Fuck oats. Try and get wheat or rye if possible I personally think its easier to prep properly and I’ve cooked 100’s of lbs of both for a gourmet operation. Oats are my last choice, for master jars I like milo or 1/2 millet 1/2 rye and I like wheat or rye best for bags.
where would i get those other options? id like to test everything until i find out what i PERSONALLY would like to use
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: tealseal]
#26432271 - 01/13/20 09:54 PM (4 years, 17 days ago) |
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just know the "fuck oats" stand point comes alot from the fact that fully colonized oats often look funky and bacterial even when they're fine which makes it difficult to decide weather or not theyre good or bad at all
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: TedsDead]
#26432276 - 01/13/20 09:58 PM (4 years, 17 days ago) |
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I get rye and wheat from the same feed store that sells oats. But you can get them as crop seed online for a reasonable price.
Heres one example. 17$/50lbs (shipping to me is 50$ tho)
https://www.deercreekseed.com/winter-rye?gclid=EAIaIQobChMI0-GR8aaC5wIVh7zACh02Pw_bEAQYBSABEgIHwvD_BwE#168=138
If you have a bulk food store locally they will usually sell wheat for sprouting as well, ask if theres a discount for buying the whole bag.
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: AyePlus]
#26432297 - 01/13/20 10:13 PM (4 years, 17 days ago) |
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TedsDead said: just know the "fuck oats" stand point comes alot from the fact that fully colonized oats often look funky and bacterial even when they're fine which makes it difficult to decide weather or not theyre good or bad at all
ya i noticed that as well... and i read the fuck oats thing literally a day after i decided to get a bag from the feed store lol.
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AyePlus said: I get rye and wheat from the same feed store that sells oats. But you can get them as crop seed online for a reasonable price.
Heres one example. 17$/50lbs (shipping to me is 50$ tho)
https://www.deercreekseed.com/winter-rye?gclid=EAIaIQobChMI0-GR8aaC5wIVh7zACh02Pw_bEAQYBSABEgIHwvD_BwE#168=138
If you have a bulk food store locally they will usually sell wheat for sprouting as well, ask if theres a discount for buying the whole bag.
ill give em a ring n see if they have any, and what about the millet or milo??
i love WBS i just wanted to try something different i guess
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: tealseal]
#26432301 - 01/13/20 10:16 PM (4 years, 17 days ago) |
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grocerys usually only stock 20# bags. I love milo! not sure where your at but around here WBS is probably the most expensive option for grain
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: tealseal]
#26432302 - 01/13/20 10:16 PM (4 years, 17 days ago) |
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I started with rye, it was way too expensive in my area as you could only get them from vegan hipster stores at a premium.
TSC had oats for a fraction of the price, never once had an issue with them so I've never turned back.
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: tealseal]
#26432306 - 01/13/20 10:20 PM (4 years, 17 days ago) |
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Millet is a bitch to prep perfectly butnI love it for the inoculation points. I’ve been mixing it 50/50 with rye for master jars and doing a 2 hr soak in boiling hot water. Add grain and cut heat. Drain and spread out for 20 and load still wet to the touch. Seems to be working well so far. Most of my straight millet jars stalled due to dryness but worked great to incoulate bags still. Seems to me if there isnt a bunch of burst ones its under done.
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Stipe-n Cap]
#26432313 - 01/13/20 10:23 PM (4 years, 17 days ago) |
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TedsDead said: grocerys usually only stock 20# bags. I love milo! not sure where your at but around here WBS is probably the most expensive option for grain
i just hit up walmart, its like 7 bucks or so for a bag... i just have to wash all the extra shit they put in it for the birds n stuff and all the other floaters, wanted something a bit more simple.
ive always liked the look of the milo, where is it at in a grocery store.. ive never seen it...
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p9hu7 said: I started with rye, it was way too expensive in my area as you could only get them from vegan hipster stores at a premium.
TSC had oats for a fraction of the price, never once had an issue with them so I've never turned back.
gonna have to run through this 60lbs and see where im at on all that.. but deff looks alot better now that i got all the floaters n stuff out, barely any burst, nice n clear on the inside
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: AyePlus]
#26432317 - 01/13/20 10:25 PM (4 years, 17 days ago) |
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AyePlus said: Millet is a bitch to prep perfectly butnI love it for the inoculation points. I’ve been mixing it 50/50 with rye for master jars and doing a 2 hr soak in boiling hot water. Add grain and cut heat. Drain and spread out for 20 and load still wet to the touch. Seems to be working well so far. Most of my straight millet jars stalled due to dryness but worked great to incoulate bags still. Seems to me if there isnt a bunch of burst ones its under done.
ill have to try that.. tell u right now, i dont think im a fan of the oats...
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: tealseal]
#26432322 - 01/13/20 10:29 PM (4 years, 17 days ago) |
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your best bet for alot of these will be at a feed store.
also dont bother picking anything out of the WBS . floaters and sunflower seeds dont matter and neither do any of the other unidentifiable grain parts that you might see in there. it should be fine unless you bought some weird one thats loaded with corn.
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: tealseal]
#26432325 - 01/13/20 10:33 PM (4 years, 17 days ago) |
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I'm not sure why people don't like them. There's no soaking or rinsing or anything other than a 30ish min boil, then let them dry.
Seems easy as fuck to me. It's easy to manipulate the level of hydration based on how white the inside of the grain is, this way you can adjust for LC/LI or for excess moisture that may need to be absorbed during cycle.
Not sure how you could eyeball that with WBS or millet.
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Stipe-n Cap]
#26432330 - 01/13/20 10:42 PM (4 years, 17 days ago) |
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p9hu7 said: I'm not sure why people don't like them. There's no soaking or rinsing or anything other than a 30ish min boil, then let them dry.
Seems easy as fuck to me. It's easy to manipulate the level of hydration based on how white the inside of the grain is, this way you can adjust for LC/LI or for excess moisture that may need to be absorbed during cycle.
Not sure how you could eyeball that with WBS or millet.
for me i think its the look of them all "husky" lol the feel is kinda scratchy and squishy and a colonized jar just looks like shit tbh.. thats just my observation and opinion, but this is also the first time prepping em so time will tell... And ive use WBS exclusively so dont mind me
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: tealseal]
#26432355 - 01/13/20 11:04 PM (4 years, 17 days ago) |
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Millet and oats all day. The oat side is strong.
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Failboat]
#26432390 - 01/13/20 11:26 PM (4 years, 17 days ago) |
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They get the job done and if you like them theyre great. I’ve used alot of them they just arent my favorite, dont care for the hulls, wheat and rye are alot denser and you can actually fit about 15% more in the PC and side by side they colonize prettier and easier to visually assess. I’ll use oats if the feed store is out and I really need to cook some bags but thats it.
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: AyePlus]
#26432438 - 01/14/20 12:46 AM (4 years, 17 days ago) |
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Spiritlands - Imma have to pick your brain a bit about cold crashing. So solids of goodies form in the shroom tea when you dump equal parts freezing ethanol in the mix? And then what, you jst scrape out the goodie crystals that form and dry it? The only problem i have so far with this is the letting mushroom dust water hang out. I did that once with a couple oz and after 24hrs it had turned into botulism tea. Wud a ratio of water with some alcohol to prevent death be ok? Using 2.5 to 3lbs of dry fruit boddies here.
Basically i wud jst like to wind up with 3lbs reduced to 60-80ml of mega strength liquid that's not black tar gunk. Figured I'd wind up with something more refined at the end.
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Stipe-n Cap]
#26432439 - 01/14/20 12:54 AM (4 years, 17 days ago) |
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p9hu7 said: Probably better than baking soda and peat though.
Shit I think you're right. Lime is calcium carbonate, hydrated lime is calcium hydroxide. What I was thinking is calcium carbonate and sodium bicarbonate both create a buffer. If the pH is too high it brings it down and if it's too low it brings it up again within a certain range until all the carbonate is used up. The only difference is sodium bicarbonate can do it twice as long.
Calcium hydroxide (hydrated lime) is alkaline which means it actually raises the pH. pH 8-14 is basic, 0-6 is acidic. I forgot hydrated lime and lime are two different things so the baking soda is just gonna keep it neutral, probably do nothing.
This isn't directed at you but you made me rethink and I just wanted to say thank you and I goofed and wanted to correct what I said earlier. Sorry gizmo1
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Feasoghorm]
#26432448 - 01/14/20 01:12 AM (4 years, 16 days ago) |
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GypsyCurse said: Ok thnx. Well for this i will follow the simplest procedure per the most acceptable result.
I asked the same question here and got some great responses.
https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/26156601
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Feasoghorm]
#26432456 - 01/14/20 01:18 AM (4 years, 16 days ago) |
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GypsyCurse said: Spiritlands - Imma have to pick your brain a bit about cold crashing. So solids of goodies form in the shroom tea when you dump equal parts freezing ethanol in the mix? And then what, you jst scrape out the goodie crystals that form and dry it? The only problem i have so far with this is the letting mushroom dust water hang out. I did that once with a couple oz and after 24hrs it had turned into botulism tea. Wud a ratio of water with some alcohol to prevent death be ok? Using 2.5 to 3lbs of dry fruit boddies here.
Basically i wud jst like to wind up with 3lbs reduced to 60-80ml of mega strength liquid that's not black tar gunk. Figured I'd wind up with something more refined at the end.
You're welcome to pm me. I have a solid working knowledge of chemistry but I've never tried extracting mushrooms until now. I'm just applying what I know to these online recipes to make them work. I don't claim to know anything until I've done it and can post results but I do have a lot of tricks.
No you don't need to let it hang out, the point is to be able to cause it to fall out so you can filter the goodies out and dry the extract without having a ton of solvent to evaporate. If you do let it sit the dust should begin to reform as crystals. In alcohol bacteria shouldn't be able to grow but again I haven't used this on mushrooms yet. Once I do I'll be able to say if it works on psilocybin and psilocin or not and I'll share either way.
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: spiritlands]
#26432688 - 01/14/20 07:44 AM (4 years, 16 days ago) |
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Looking for opinion\input
For shits and giggles I started a TAMPS PF jar that I didn't really expect to work out. It did and is about ready to be birthed. However, the stones that have already formed are breaking apart the cake and I'm concerned it may not hold up. I have been considering trying the Wafer Tek that I heard about recently also. I have a PESA PF jar also that I was going 5o try the Wafer Tek with but not sure how it would work out with stones. Thoughts?
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