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Crackatoa
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: iEnter]
#26392115 - 12/20/19 08:40 AM (4 years, 1 month ago) |
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Definitely use light, 12/12. Shake them pretty jars. Nothing Overkill here.
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Crackatoa]
#26392121 - 12/20/19 08:44 AM (4 years, 1 month ago) |
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Them jars looked a bit overfilled for shaking purposes.
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: iEnter]
#26392126 - 12/20/19 08:46 AM (4 years, 1 month ago) |
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iEnter said: Here's how I did my swabs the first time.
So I put some PE6 agar wedges to grain a few days before Thanksgiving. None of my jars are colonized but some are getting close.
This is my first try at bulk, and the one mistake I made so far was forgetting to shake after they came out of the PC. I also did not shake them at all as they have been colonizing up until a week ago. I suspect that is why my growth is so slow.
Here are some pics of a few of the slowest ones:



And the one of the faster ones:


I've already learned a shit load and I haven't even got past jars yet. Next time I'm cloning, using LC, shaking right out of the PC, and at inoculation.
Anyone use light when they're jars are colonizing? This is what I got on my jars:
 Overkill?
I colonize and fruit everything in the same setting. Same light schedule same temps same everything. unless there is a specific reason to change conditions for one specific plate, jar, or tub. Slower colonization is definitely due to lack of shaking. Also the number of wedges you throw into a jar will affect its colonization rate. Can't really tell for sure if those are pint jars or quart jars. In my personal still very novice experience, I found it easier to knock up half pint or pint grain jars with agar, then use that grain to do larger jars. More inoculation points of the grain means faster colonization time of the larger jars. I have a really bad habit of overfilling my grain jars. And only once have I ever remember to put gypsum in the mix, so I always have to beat them on a bike tire to shake them. I've never grown PE, but what you're describing doesn't seem like anything other than just slower colonization due to distribution of inoculation points within the grain. Nothing but time.
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The myc in them jars looks very thick like "ice cream". Isn't that sign of bacteria? My PE6 on oats doesn't look as thick. [url] Some were shaken the other day and they recovering. The others I haven't shook but has multiple agar pieces.
Edited by Hobbit GDF (12/20/19 05:17 PM)
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Hobbit GDF]
#26392178 - 12/20/19 09:42 AM (4 years, 1 month ago) |
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I hope it’s not bacterial those jars looked awesome to me. Seems like it should be that thick given the time frame.
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Caps McGee]
#26392216 - 12/20/19 10:09 AM (4 years, 1 month ago) |
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Caps McGee said: FUCK APE!
lol! fucker
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Feasoghorm]
#26392318 - 12/20/19 11:31 AM (4 years, 1 month ago) |
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GypsyCurse said: Dang...Ape fruits and PE blobs are heavy. Drying and sealing my last batch. Was jst weighing shit out like god damn that doesnt look like 28.5 grams but it is. That shits jst heavy. It's good to have magic on hand.
What kinda weight you get on shoeboxes, monos?
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Edmunter]
#26392512 - 12/20/19 01:54 PM (4 years, 1 month ago) |
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I stopped caring after a while. When i was growing B+, lgt, and RW i was getting 1/2lb per 100qt tub. I always go by dry weight. I was also using 7 or 8 qts spawn. Last tubs i only used 5 or 6 and that greatly reduced harvest weight. Did some peuw that pumped a 1/2lb from 6qts millet. The rw and lgt did it in 3 flushes but the b+ took 4 flushes of 2oz each. First shoeboxes of PE were very heavy, but i dnt remember exactly. I thnk thers a pic in my gallery. After that i stopped saving and transferring from masters and my gene pool fell apart. The last couple PE tubs i did only blobed and mutated. I thnk my first 100qt Ape tub gave my 3oz off 6qts spawn. Not good but it was my first Ape grow. I absolutely love Ape, and regular ol' PE.
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Feasoghorm]
#26392543 - 12/20/19 02:09 PM (4 years, 1 month ago) |
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Those jars are DEFINITELY bacterial... Likely caused by all that excess moisture present... way too full, way too wet... see the thick white culture, and the sweat that is starting to favor snot?
 They MIGHT fruit, don't waste time with expansion: 
Hobbit, yours are a tad wet, but the culture looks fantastic for the most part: the brighter white areas are disruptions in morphology caused by excess surface moisture on the grain in those areas ... stellar looking regardless
Shaking not necessary with multiple wedges, or SAGARI, when culture can be spread fairly evenly with the initial shake
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Caps McGee]
#26392559 - 12/20/19 02:21 PM (4 years, 1 month ago) |
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Usually bacterial jars are not a problem (until a certain point), I have fruited many bacterial looking jars just fine. I make my sub slightly on the dry side, so it does not favour further bacterial growth.
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: eLeSDenes]
#26392595 - 12/20/19 02:53 PM (4 years, 1 month ago) |
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Cubes are pretty resilient. I am doing my first rounds with semperviva and it seems pretty tough as well. Cyans will roll over and die though.
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Hobbit GDF]
#26392621 - 12/20/19 03:10 PM (4 years, 1 month ago) |
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Im not from the states but watch your tats man.
Edited by Edmunter (12/21/19 12:08 AM)
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Edmunter]
#26392629 - 12/20/19 03:12 PM (4 years, 1 month ago) |
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Edmunter said:
Im not from the states but watch your tats man.
Thats some good advice right there. 
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: ElViajero]
#26392643 - 12/20/19 03:30 PM (4 years, 1 month ago) |
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I just found out I’ll have to be out of town until the 27th.
This shoebox should be good til then yeah? Temps will be 40-65 if I turn the heater off. I have no idea how much longer these will need but at least they won’t drop spores all over right?
I could have a friend pick them for me if I need to.

What do you think??
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Edited by A.k.a (12/20/19 03:31 PM)
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Caps McGee]
#26392650 - 12/20/19 03:35 PM (4 years, 1 month ago) |
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Caps McGee said: Those jars are DEFINITELY bacterial... Likely caused by all that excess moisture present... way too full, way too wet... see the thick white culture, and the sweat that is starting to favor snot?
 They MIGHT fruit, don't waste time with expansion: 
Hobbit, yours are a tad wet, but the culture looks fantastic for the most part: the brighter white areas are disruptions in morphology caused by excess surface moisture on the grain in those areas ... stellar looking regardless
Shaking not necessary with multiple wedges, or SAGARI, when culture can be spread fairly evenly with the initial shake
Expansion meaning letting the rest of the mycelium colonize?
I'm not sure I see any signs of bacteria here's a close up though maybe someone could point it out if they see it:

Either way I'm not looking forward to breaking up these jars lol
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: A.k.a]
#26392666 - 12/20/19 03:44 PM (4 years, 1 month ago) |
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A.k.a said: I just found out I’ll have to be out of town until the 27th.
This shoebox should be good til then yeah? Temps will be 40-65 if I turn the heater off. I have no idea how much longer these will need but at least they won’t drop spores all over right?
I could have a friend pick them for me if I need to.

What do you think??
I don't think you'll have that long, they'll literally be mush by then probably. If you can trust that friend I would have them pick when ready. Several look ready right now. Beautiful btw
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Caps McGee]
#26392687 - 12/20/19 03:57 PM (4 years, 1 month ago) |
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Caps McGee said: Too late to get spores down? I'm confused
Too late for the January 1st start date for https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/26388195/ lol
All the spores I'll be putting down for it are 1-2+ years old so it'll be interesting to see what happens.
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Crackatoa]
#26392692 - 12/20/19 03:59 PM (4 years, 1 month ago) |
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Thanks I’m pretty proud of this one it’s the first one where everything from spawn to sub prep was clean and on point, and it definitely makes a big difference.
Doesn’t PE turn all bumpy when it’s done?? Maybe I’ll pull the biggest ones right before I leave.
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: ElViajero]
#26392816 - 12/20/19 05:19 PM (4 years, 1 month ago) |
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I took care of it but his quote reply still there. Edmunter can u edit the pics out your reply
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Hobbit GDF]
#26392978 - 12/20/19 07:08 PM (4 years, 1 month ago) |
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I did some searching and calling around today found cow manure compost about 4 hours drive from here 10 bucks per truckload... fuck that. Kept looking found a truck wash out that sells manure. Problem is it is a mix of cow and pig shit. They told me its maybe 25% pig shit at the most. It is all washed into a big ass lagoon or pit until the pit it filled then it is scooped out and spread in a field to dry. Once dried it is loaded and hauled off to be sold as fertilizer. So my question is.. does the pig shit completely rule it out for substrate even though it's a smaller quantity and its washed into a pit where its stewed then dried. Or is it best not to mess with it? I'm guessing it's no good for my use but thought I'd get some opinions.
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