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Sankhara
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Sankhara]
#26385276 - 12/16/19 02:32 PM (4 years, 1 month ago) |
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mushboy said: ....or boil some water toss in some shrooms drink the liquid and trip balls.
Now you're telling us I need to use heat from the palm of my hand...? shit you lost me
No mate he is answering part of a question i made about making mushroom extracts
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Quirkmeister92 said: UTSF, "Making Shroom Tea" by Mushboy... try it out 
Yeah mate, as i said. I know about making shroom tea, and i do it myself as well. I need no make an extraction that will preserve itself to gift a microdose to afriend that doesnt have a scale to make its own tea. So that he can do volumetric doses
I guess though that it is a paim in the ass to make such extraction. Pain as in taking a hell of a lot of time
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: mushboy]
#26385279 - 12/16/19 02:35 PM (4 years, 1 month ago) |
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I'll invest in some fancy equipment in a few months and report back in bout all cool jazz. Seems that in any case that an extract solution is best kept at room temperature. I will however, given the right gear, test the difference between room temp and chilled over time. I would assume if I do the method described in the link on soltion and test the powder content then chill the same solution as well as store the same solution at room temp then powder the two stored samples I would see a decent comparison of the rate of degradation.
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: natedawgnow]
#26385280 - 12/16/19 02:35 PM (4 years, 1 month ago) |
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Of course not but when some asks a basic question like tea reduction shelf life and the answer involves vacuums and incorrect information? I'd say its impractical and unnecessary information.
I was commenting to express that point.
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: MrBovineJoni]
#26385289 - 12/16/19 02:44 PM (4 years, 1 month ago) |
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Bph said: Is it silly of me to think that an SAB is better than a flowhood? I see a lot of folks rushing into hoods the way I did. I had never even poured a plate when I bought my hood and that was a mistake. I think that all one really needs as a hobby/side hustle grower is a box. I'm just blown away that after making the switch back my contams have disappeared. I have now streaked 5 new varieties and cleaned them up in 1 transfer then expanded them to 3 plates each and have not seen the first hint of anything but cube myc. I'm a big guy. My hood was 24x24 and I always felt like I needed more room. This 200qt tote has me feeling free as an eagle.
From what I've read SAB requires a lot more micromanagement and maintenance before each use. If used properly it can be a very good tool but can be rather slow for bulk work (e.g. when you have lots of plates in one go to process) - and it can be more forgiving about some hand movements that can be very bad in FH.
FH just kind of works (no damp towels needed, no iso or soapwater spraying, much better visibility and better freedom of movement) but one has to be much more careful where hands and other potential contamination sources are placed/moved when it comes to the airflow and sterile media/tools.
I've never worked with a FH but I have a feeling that without knowing how to work in SABs and what contaminates plates/jar and how to avoid it - FH gives false sense of security as it is considered superior to SAB...but one wrong hand movement and that sterile air flow will blow contaminants from your wrist or the grain jar outside/bottom directly into the receiver dish (which is much easier to avoid in SAB, especially without prior experience).
That's the thing. I don't do shit. I just spray everything I put in there with 70% but I did that in flow as well. If anything it takes more maintenance with changing the prefilters. Also I would let it run for a few minutes before I actually work and I don't do now. I literally just work in it like it's a magical space as long as I don't put my hand over anything (Wich it basically is) Bags are out but I didn't have much luck with bags anyway. And I hate wasting plastic. I could easily see running 40 jars a day if I had to.
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Bph]
#26385297 - 12/16/19 02:51 PM (4 years, 1 month ago) |
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40 jars a day? Happy shaking holy shit lol... I miss some aspects of the SAB: Mostly nostalgia
Making a large dose of tea and doing a little math would allow you to freeze ice cubes in predictable doses... no alcohol, no further reduction needed: it's for micro doses without a scale: why concentrating it at all seems like a good idea is beyond me personally easiest to just eat what visually looks like a small stem or cap... sometimes (usually) the simplest answer is best
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: mushboy]
#26385322 - 12/16/19 03:01 PM (4 years, 1 month ago) |
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mushboy said: Of course not but when some asks a basic question like tea reduction shelf life and the answer involves vacuums and incorrect information? I'd say its impractical and unnecessary information.
I was commenting to express that point.
Just bc it's science journal doesn't mean it's beyond comprehension. It's vinegar ammonia and some pH strips. And a little mineral sprits or starting fluid. The most basic of all things, an acid base extraction. If 90% can't accomplish this it's out of laziness not complexity. The rest was just introducing ppl to some hardware that makes this shit easy. Stupid easy. I have not done this extraction yet bc I want to do it with pans and I'm still colonizing. Ppl can do whatever they want it's not gonna hurt my feelings. I just have a passion for chem and I like to share when I find something simple. Didn't mean to rub you all wrong. I feel like when we try to get ppl to try agar and they think it's so above them. Most things in life are hard until you try it. Nobody got good by being afraid to try. I'm just gonna see myself out sorry if I've offended anyone. Mush love.
And the only reason I commented on tea reduction is bc if it was done correctly there would be no need to reduce it. Like I said ppl use too much solvent.
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: spiritlands]
#26385327 - 12/16/19 03:07 PM (4 years, 1 month ago) |
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Wasnt talking about the article. The misinformation I was referring to was..
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spiritlands said: Reducing it is going to degrade the actives unless you do it under vacuum.
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it can also be done at room temp eliminating chances of heat decomposing your molecule
Reducing the liquid in tea at boiling temps does not degrade actives to any noticeable extent if at all.
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: mushboy]
#26385331 - 12/16/19 03:08 PM (4 years, 1 month ago) |
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Or what about making shroom honey?? Never done it but seems like it would keep easier.
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: A.k.a]
#26385338 - 12/16/19 03:13 PM (4 years, 1 month ago) |
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What's wrong with DRY MUSHROOMS guys? lmao... chocolates are another great way to microdose... need powder them finely, and mix thoroughly... weigh the total batch to get a ratio of mush weight:total weight for dosing... use a mold that gets close
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Caps McGee] 1
#26385358 - 12/16/19 03:22 PM (4 years, 1 month ago) |
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Dry mushrooms??? Are we resorting to barbarism now?
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Caps McGee]
#26385387 - 12/16/19 03:34 PM (4 years, 1 month ago) |
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Caps McGee said: What's wrong with DRY MUSHROOMS guys? lmao... chocolates are another great way to microdose... need powder them finely, and mix thoroughly... weigh the total batch to get a ratio of mush weight:total weight for dosing... use a mold that gets close
Again, sometimes it's enjoyable to do more than just the basics. Some people like chemistry
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: natedawgnow]
#26385402 - 12/16/19 03:43 PM (4 years, 1 month ago) |
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I like chemistry
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Failboat]
#26385453 - 12/16/19 04:26 PM (4 years, 1 month ago) |
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sankhara, why does your friend need an extraction to microdose? i mean, how is measuring small amounts of liquid different than small amounts of powdered something?
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I'm just stirring the shit pot really... I'd say grow enough to try it all!
Anyone any experience just top layering melmac? Thinking of doing a side by side by side after Christmas, but if it's been done already?
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Caps McGee]
#26385515 - 12/16/19 05:09 PM (4 years, 1 month ago) |
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Chemistry is awesome!
Have not tried blue honey but prolly will outta my pe blob collection i have going.
In my experience psilocybin is actually quite stable and i do agree with mushboy that 212F does not make any noticeable difference in potency. I thnk the official temps are something like starts to degrade above 375F.
I have simmered tea and used everclear extaction to make gummies. Gummies are shelf stable and the way i make them has citric/malic/ascorbic acid in them as a preservative. Prolly also premetabolizes it a bit as well.
The flavors of chocolate and shroom go together very well. There is actually quite a bit of chemistry that goes into making chocolate shelf stable though.
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Caps McGee]
#26385525 - 12/16/19 05:12 PM (4 years, 1 month ago) |
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Iβve got swabs of Mel on the way so Iβd be interested in those results.
I know itβs well documented but Iβm doing a PE experiment of top layer then cased vs top layer at spawn only.
Cased is almost wall to wall pins and uncased is a huge mess of myc and blobs.
Sometimes you just have to see it yourself lol.
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: A.k.a]
#26385575 - 12/16/19 05:47 PM (4 years, 1 month ago) |
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So proper casing (ph adjusted jiffy or?) Performed better even with a top layer?
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Caps McGee]
#26385581 - 12/16/19 05:50 PM (4 years, 1 month ago) |
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Yep. I used something like 80% jiffy mix and 20% verm mixed together.
The top layer of coir did nothing compared to other cubes the myc just tore through it and moved into the casing.
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: A.k.a]
#26385587 - 12/16/19 05:52 PM (4 years, 1 month ago) |
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Top layer should just keep grains from drying out. You'd want the myc to chew through it I would think. The casing should give you that surface humidity you want. Works great with APE.
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Asura]
#26385662 - 12/16/19 06:18 PM (4 years, 1 month ago) |
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Case at spawn, or with full colonization/appearance of hyphal knots?
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