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Changa Alchemist
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Feasoghorm]
#26359342 - 12/03/19 03:10 PM (4 years, 1 month ago) |
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Wait are we still talking about your tubs being wrapped up?
Edit: wrong thread. That discussion was the other.
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Caps McGee]
#26359363 - 12/03/19 03:16 PM (4 years, 1 month ago) |
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GypsyCurse said: Yeah i hear a lot of dudes dnt do shit and are fine. Jst not the case with some of us. Gotta pull out all the stops. Psh...fuck pulling out.
Point was, (IMHO) all those extra measures are crutches for (un)sterile technique... 
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feldman114 said: Oh but it’s ok to bitch and complain about another user in this thread?
At least his “discussion” was centered on “cultivation”, you know, in “general”...
its okay, the no flaming in cultivation doesnt apply when I'm the target
Omfgregg... need some cheese for our whine boys?(or girls, I'll not assume) the name of this site is "shroomery.org" NOT "dramamama.comma" (that's pretty good)
Anyone else ever noticed heavier pinset/stronger first flushes with bacterial spawn? I think I had bacteria riding a culture and have escaped from it: It's sped up a little, but dropped in yield dramatically: was averaging 6.5oz per gallon, now only giving 3.75-4.25/gal
Wtf Ober?
When picking clones, I suggest taking 3-5 from an ms tub to save time, ran side by side for easy comparison in speed and performance... I wouldn't mess with fruiting a clone culture more than once if it's no good: can't pull gold from a terd: if the genetics just aren't there, you'll NEVER find them there and are wasting time and resources on hope... back to spore if none are good candidates... right now, id focus on reliably producing clean ms spawn... once you have semi predictable results with ms, focus on isolation of characteristics

This is all strait theory to this day and never been proven in cubensis. When I clone I don't just clone 1 I will clone say 5 and almost at random as conditions play a huge roll as to what we are looking at
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Caps McGee]
#26359368 - 12/03/19 03:19 PM (4 years, 1 month ago) |
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Caps McGee said: Anymore, only 2... I find even these are hit and miss for predictable results... maybe with better maintenance during first flush, but ain't got time for that... I'm playing with less and less spawn and sub to find the sweet spot and minimize resource input for optimal utilization of surface area for 'one and done' SOS's in constant rotation... been recycling the substrates for gourmets (MUAHAHAHAHA) so not really concerned as far as being "wasteful"... blues and shiitake both LOVE the mixture of once fruited cube sub and once fruited sawdust blocks: colonizing and fruiting in some cases, in HALF the time...
YOUR technique, but absolutely NOT necessary to maintain sterility... 
Im on the same ride as you, a 1 flush wonder would really help rotation.
Tell me how do you prep spent myc to be used for shitake and greys? Thats so frekin cool. I also grow a shit load of edibles and am thinking of going down your route.
I also read that cyans and woodlovers like spent substrate.............. This has got me excited. Any links for this, if not you should write a tek.........boom!
I take it you could use it for log inoculations too.
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Edmunter]
#26359375 - 12/03/19 03:21 PM (4 years, 1 month ago) |
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Yes but I kill my subs before using for woodlovers so I'll put them out in winter
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: cronicr]
#26359384 - 12/03/19 03:23 PM (4 years, 1 month ago) |
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cronicr said: Yes but I kill my subs before using for woodlovers so I'll put them out in winter
So you just make a pile of old subs and then when it comes to woodloving time you use it?
What do you do in the summer with it?
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Edmunter]
#26359390 - 12/03/19 03:26 PM (4 years, 1 month ago) |
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Yeah I just pile my coir subs outside where they will freeze for awhile. In the summer time I put them outside to fruit lol.. Spring time when everything's thawed out I'll mulch them up and top my beds off and anything left over I just compost
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So I threw a unmodified unfiltered plastic lid on one of my grain jars in a batch I was g2ging well. All jars that I g2ged fully colonized except. The unmodified lid with no GE filter. Even though this was no scientific experiment, as far as I'm concerned unmodified lids are worthless for grain jars.
Also my backyard compost, verm, and coir mixture for some reason or another (I'm not going to make assumptions as it wasn't a controlled experiment) is colonizing atleast twice as fast as straight coir using the same culture.
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: cronicr]
#26359409 - 12/03/19 03:33 PM (4 years, 1 month ago) |
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cronicr said: Yeah I just pile my coir subs outside where they will freeze for awhile. In the summer time I put them outside to fruit lol.. Spring time when everything's thawed out I'll mulch them up and top my beds off and anything left over I just compost
Nice, so you use them as food or casing layer?
I will have 6-10 patches next year. Woodlovers are they nicest mushrooms............
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Edmunter]
#26359414 - 12/03/19 03:35 PM (4 years, 1 month ago) |
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Food as I use a lot of coir
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: cronicr]
#26359420 - 12/03/19 03:38 PM (4 years, 1 month ago) |
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cronicr said: Food as I use a lot of coir
do u add more woodchips as well? I assume some are old patches?
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Edmunter]
#26359422 - 12/03/19 03:39 PM (4 years, 1 month ago) |
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Yeah wood chips sawdust coir verm is the jists of my small beds
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: gizmo1]
#26359437 - 12/03/19 03:42 PM (4 years, 1 month ago) |
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(For blue oysters and shiitake (gearing up for tests with kings) I'd imagine most anything doing well on traditional fruiting blocks)Just mix the spent subs with spent sawdust blocks, hydrate to just below field capacity, and bag them up like usual... resterilize, reinoculate: almost like it doesn't have to work as hard, STELLAR colonization and comparable yields... spent cube sub alone works, and so does spent sawdust: the mixture outperforming both, new unsupplemented sawdust, AND traditional master's mix! win all the way around
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Caps McGee]
#26359465 - 12/03/19 03:54 PM (4 years, 1 month ago) |
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Caps McGee said: (For blue oysters and shiitake (gearing up for tests with kings) I'd imagine most anything doing well on traditional fruiting blocks)Just mix the spent subs with spent sawdust blocks, hydrate to just below field capacity, and bag them up like usual... resterilize, reinoculate: almost like it doesn't have to work as hard, STELLAR colonization and comparable yields... spent cube sub alone works, and so does spent sawdust: the mixture outperforming both, new unsupplemented sawdust, AND traditional master's mix! win all the way around
That is such a brilliant use of resource. So even a slightly contaminated sub gets sterilised, Have you tried mixing it with Soy hulls?
So the search for the 1 flush wonder is on. Im using shoeboxes and getting 1 oz first flush atm. If I could get that to 1.5 id be happy and also fine with chucking it as its straight into the edibles substrate bin...
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Edmunter]
#26359484 - 12/03/19 04:02 PM (4 years, 1 month ago) |
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That's traditional master's mix... the spent blocks and subs have grain remnants from the original spawnings which serve the same purpose as soy hulls (nutrients) and so I dont incorporate them into the recycled blocks... I'm using what I have left from my first bag and won't be getting them again... source sawdust for free, and spawn raw sawdust heavily for first run, and less and less with each subsequent run... I've recycled sawdust up to 6 times with decent results, eventually just gets squishy... shiitake is especially sensitive to excess nutrition, and would likely be detrimental to add more than necessary for inoculations
I highly suspect that yield is affected more by sheer surface area than genetic capability or spawn ratios... with enough food and enough sub to hold enough water. A 1" shoebox would likely so the same as a 3" sub... only the 3" will go subsequent flushes... hut with diminishing results... but in less time... factors lol
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Caps McGee]
#26359529 - 12/03/19 04:28 PM (4 years, 1 month ago) |
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Caps McGee said: That's traditional master's mix... the spent blocks and subs have grain remnants from the original spawnings which serve the same purpose as soy hulls (nutrients) and so I dont incorporate them into the recycled blocks... I'm using what I have left from my first bag and won't be getting them again... source sawdust for free, and spawn raw sawdust heavily for first run, and less and less with each subsequent run... I've recycled sawdust up to 6 times with decent results, eventually just gets squishy... shiitake is especially sensitive to excess nutrition, and would likely be detrimental to add more than necessary for inoculations
I highly suspect that yield is affected more by sheer surface area than genetic capability or spawn ratios... with enough food and enough sub to hold enough water. A 1" shoebox would likely so the same as a 3" sub... only the 3" will go subsequent flushes... hut with diminishing results... but in less time... factors lol
Are you finding the more reused sawdust better? How many flushes do you go with shit blocks and blues?
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Edmunter]
#26359576 - 12/03/19 04:50 PM (4 years, 1 month ago) |
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I worked for one of these pnw lumber mills for a while. There was a dude there i was talking shrooms with when i first started, and he was going on about how fucking amazing the sawdust from the mill was for growing.
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Feasoghorm]
#26359602 - 12/03/19 05:06 PM (4 years, 1 month ago) |
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I don't want to be a poop but I love oats!! Never failed yet for me 😎👍
All my rye work turns out mushy no matter if its a soak and simmer or quick prep.
Rye hates me!!! LOL
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: YogiBear]
#26359616 - 12/03/19 05:14 PM (4 years, 1 month ago) |
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That happens man. Individuals have style and not everything gonna match with it. WBS saved my life.
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Feasoghorm]
#26359676 - 12/03/19 05:51 PM (4 years, 1 month ago) |
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The Oat side is strong...
All grains work well when prepped adequately. All grains are different. Learning to work with various grains is a valuable skill as one never knows what may happen in life.
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Failboat]
#26359699 - 12/03/19 06:04 PM (4 years, 1 month ago) |
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Quirkmeister92 said: The Oat side is strong...
Be the Oat!
 $33 per 50 lb bag here in PR
Edited by Inthepit (12/04/19 04:43 AM)
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