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Samskara92
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Huskies]
#26350317 - 11/28/19 09:58 AM (4 years, 2 months ago) |
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I would wash. You'll kill off the contaminate, but any toxins secreted by said contaminate will be left behind.
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meaculpaUIO



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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Huskies]
#26350333 - 11/28/19 10:13 AM (4 years, 2 months ago) |
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Instant coffee agar:

Any bacteria you PC correctly will die, afaik.
There's discussion going on between fringe elements of the Shroomery growers whether or not you can reuse agar, WBS and other substrates. I'm working on it as well, because it will save substrate material. Didn't RR use to complain that coir was too expensive? Yeah.
Today I re-pced agar and popcorn that was contaminated. Boiled all the moisture out of the popcorn, and then PCed it. Still a lot of moisture :/ Contams were mold and bacteria.
Going to see how this experiment turns out. If they dont contaminate, its more than enough proof that it can work at all. If its all dirty I try again and then with the same result, I'd probably give up.
The other thing I'm trying out tonight, and SHARING WITH SHROOMERY, is the "BIRD BALLS TEK"
Bird ball tek
tek images:

tek text:
1. Find some bird balls in the store, get an idea 2. Post a question thread on shroomery about lipids (fat) and shrooms 3. Get no answers 4. Pressure cook the bird balls in a mycobag for 60 minutes 5. They turn pretty jellified 6. Man I should have soaked these things in water before I did this 7. Getting ready to SPAWN THIS with my next good BRF jar in the big glass fucker 8. How will myc interact with the fat? 9. Yes the bird balls are nutritiious other than fat. 10. They are bird balls
Edited by meaculpaUIO (11/28/19 10:16 AM)
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Just_A_Noob
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: meaculpaUIO] 1
#26350338 - 11/28/19 10:15 AM (4 years, 2 months ago) |
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Nitro? Is that you?
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: meaculpaUIO]
#26350534 - 11/28/19 12:28 PM (4 years, 2 months ago) |
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meaculpaUIO said: Instant coffee agar:

Any bacteria you PC correctly will die, afaik.
There's discussion going on between fringe elements of the Shroomery growers whether or not you can reuse agar, WBS and other substrates. I'm working on it as well, because it will save substrate material. Didn't RR use to complain that coir was too expensive? Yeah.
Today I re-pced agar and popcorn that was contaminated. Boiled all the moisture out of the popcorn, and then PCed it. Still a lot of moisture :/ Contams were mold and bacteria.
Going to see how this experiment turns out. If they dont contaminate, its more than enough proof that it can work at all. If its all dirty I try again and then with the same result, I'd probably give up.
The other thing I'm trying out tonight, and SHARING WITH SHROOMERY, is the "BIRD BALLS TEK"
Bird ball tek
tek images:

tek text:
1. Find some bird balls in the store, get an idea 2. Post a question thread on shroomery about lipids (fat) and shrooms 3. Get no answers 4. Pressure cook the bird balls in a mycobag for 60 minutes 5. They turn pretty jellified 6. Man I should have soaked these things in water before I did this 7. Getting ready to SPAWN THIS with my next good BRF jar in the big glass fucker 8. How will myc interact with the fat? 9. Yes the bird balls are nutritiious other than fat. 10. They are bird balls
This is your most ridiculous post yet

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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Feasoghorm]
#26350637 - 11/28/19 01:56 PM (4 years, 2 months ago) |
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GypsyCurse said:
 Dnt quote me on it but i thnk generally cubensis mycelium can get down to 64f or 65F before it starts affecting growth.
I donβt incubate and my lab is down to 68f. My jars are growing just fine, maybe a taaaddd slow.
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: AyePlus]
#26350638 - 11/28/19 01:58 PM (4 years, 2 months ago) |
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hellz yeah!
yeah, turkys are obnoxious
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: meaculpaUIO]
#26350674 - 11/28/19 02:17 PM (4 years, 2 months ago) |
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Don't tell anyone but ya you can reuse agar and grains. Is it a best practice? no. And if it's for the purpose of saving money on substrate that's silly sub is cheap.
Sometimes I'll scrap a jar if it's going slow and I have something better or I get a good colony on agar and I don't need the duplicates I'll reuse them. Bacteria, moisture issues, mold all get pc'd and thrown out. Don't make a habit of it and use good judgement, garbage in garbage out.
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meaculpaUIO



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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: spiritlands]
#26350679 - 11/28/19 02:20 PM (4 years, 2 months ago) |
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Is it really credible that minute amounts of dead matter somehow kills a jar? I mean thats the reason people are sceptical of reusing. If there's another reason than "contam toxins" or "byproducts" that makes reusing substrate unviable I'd like to hear it. I mean we do this in general on a industry scale, take spoiled food and make it unharmful for plants or animals to feed upon.
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: spiritlands]
#26350680 - 11/28/19 02:21 PM (4 years, 2 months ago) |
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I tried using rye that had soaked for 2 days and grew some kinda smelly bacteria. I rinsed it and PC'd and nothing grew on it at all cuz of the toxins the contams had left behind.
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AyePlus
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: meaculpaUIO]
#26350686 - 11/28/19 02:25 PM (4 years, 2 months ago) |
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Exactly. Metabolites and exudates are chemicals that will remain regardless of the sterility of the jar. Its not about the biology its about what the biology produces. Same reason you canβt Just bring food up to a boil again if its spoiled. In some cases it might be fine but its not worth the 20 cents for more grain, especially when you factor in your time and the energy output a PC requires. Might work is not good enough for sterile procedure IMO. Keep the wackyness up though its been entertaining to say the least.
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meaculpaUIO



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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: AyePlus]
#26350690 - 11/28/19 02:28 PM (4 years, 2 months ago) |
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Fuck
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: meaculpaUIO]
#26350699 - 11/28/19 02:35 PM (4 years, 2 months ago) |
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meaculpaUIO said: Is it really credible that minute amounts of dead matter somehow kills a jar? I mean thats the reason people are sceptical of reusing. If there's another reason than "contam toxins" or "byproducts" that makes reusing substrate unviable I'd like to hear it. I mean we do this in general on a industry scale, take spoiled food and make it unharmful for plants or animals to feed upon.
Depends on how bad it is. If you see a spot of trch whatever...but if your 30% colonized and see mold or bacteria you have lost a lot of nutrients and grains cheap, bacteria can ruin a jar no problem
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Feasoghorm]
#26350703 - 11/28/19 02:37 PM (4 years, 2 months ago) |
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Ya I don't recommend it. I edited my post but I suspect contams will alter the substrate to not prefer mushroom Mycelium. If it's being colonized by contams it's no good.
I had a quart of gatz lc on wheatberries that wasn't going very fast bc the LC was only a few days old when I used it. I resterilized it and used the better lc. It's colonizing fine but it wasn't contamed and it hasn't been colonized by anything. A situation like this is the only time I'll do it and it's really just being lazy.
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: spiritlands]
#26350761 - 11/28/19 03:29 PM (4 years, 2 months ago) |
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Just picked up 75kg of wheat for $33 CAD
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: meaculpaUIO]
#26350775 - 11/28/19 03:38 PM (4 years, 2 months ago) |
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meaculpaUIO said:
take spoiled food and make it unharmful for plants or animals to feed upon.
Exactly. We take spoiled food for human consumption and repurpose it, and feed to things besides humans. We dont take spoiled food and try to re-consume it.
The practice isnβt viable because itβs financially logical to just use new grain than to take a gamble on grain that YOU KNOW harbored contaminants. If even one jar dies from the practice and the jars with new grain lives, that should tell you the practice is unviable.
Have you ever done this before? Is this your first grow that your doing all of the experimentation on?
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: jbgtaa]
#26350789 - 11/28/19 03:44 PM (4 years, 2 months ago) |
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Im doing one attempt at it and its being treated as full mongolian AIDS
I read some discussion about it in a journal and want to give it one try
EDIT:
I bet Greta Thunberg would support doing it.
Edited by meaculpaUIO (11/28/19 03:45 PM)
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: sh4d0ws]
#26350793 - 11/28/19 03:46 PM (4 years, 2 months ago) |
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sh4d0ws said: Just picked up 75kg of wheat for $33 CAD

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Feasoghorm

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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: spiritlands]
#26350849 - 11/28/19 04:34 PM (4 years, 2 months ago) |
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Fuck Mongolian aids
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: spiritlands]
#26350952 - 11/28/19 05:58 PM (4 years, 2 months ago) |
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spiritlands said:
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sh4d0ws said: Just picked up 75kg of wheat for $33 CAD


Pfffft. Very nice. 165lbs. Thats a steal.
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meaculpaUIO



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Tomorrow I will be making shroomery history by transfering to the cooked bird feed balls
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