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AyePlus
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: sh4d0ws]
#26344261 - 11/25/19 09:48 AM (4 years, 2 months ago) |
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I just bought the bio bags, got my first set fully colonized and spawning today, no feedback on degradation yet, but other than that they work exactly the same.
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: AyePlus]
#26344288 - 11/25/19 10:06 AM (4 years, 2 months ago) |
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thanks, ayeplus! what type filters are you running?
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: TedsDead]
#26344305 - 11/25/19 10:14 AM (4 years, 2 months ago) |
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So theyre biodegradable and they withstand pc temps?
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: natedawgnow] 1
#26344329 - 11/25/19 10:29 AM (4 years, 2 months ago) |
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Theyre oxo-biodegradable, which means something is added into them that allows the polymer chain via UV and oxygen (combined with heat) to degrade into smaller piece and then from there they can be broken down further through cellular actions (biodegrade).
Theyβre supposed to break down in a home composting system, there is some controversy with oxobiodegradable plastics started by bioplastics companies supposedly because they use different technology and are technically competition but idk.
Didnt cost that much more So I went for em might not be perfect, but better I hope.
@ ted, 0.2 for grain spawn 0.5 for oyster or shiitake bags
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: AyePlus]
#26344451 - 11/25/19 11:29 AM (4 years, 2 months ago) |
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thanks!
yeah, ive been reading up lots on em as well. not perfect but makes me feel a bit better about my plastic use. going for it!
interesting... when I run my shiitake in the 0.5's they never seem to popcorn or brown up and always fruit in-vitro. I did recently switch strains tho. maybe that's why? on unicorns website though they say that the 0.2's are for shiitake cult so I figured it was a GE issue
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Camera93] 1
#26344455 - 11/25/19 11:31 AM (4 years, 2 months ago) |
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Camera93...
I've been very interested in describing grain prep better. My current thoughts are that there are three main traits to prepping grains: (I grow cubes on rye and wheat) (I work with 4 quart bags)
1) inner kernel hydration
2) outer surface wetness
3) amount boiled/bursted kernels
I squirt 30cc of LI into 4 quarts of grain in bags.
I weigh grains after draining boiling water off, then again after I dry. I do the math and come up with percentages.
The sweet spot for my big bags (they like to be drier than jars) seems to be this..... boiled as long as possible, but not exceeding 47% water content after boiling water is drained. (dry grains dropped into a minimal amount of hot tap water, 10 minutes to boil, 25 minutes boil, 35 minutes total.... 47% water content). Then between 2-4% dried away from the outer surface. 1% is too little and leaves the bag wet. 4% tends to be too dry, inhibiting leap off. (first two percents are easy with piping hot grains - Toss the grains around for 2 minutes in a strainer and boom. The third and fourth percents get progressively more difficult to achieve as the grains cool and don't steam... Took me 4 hours to get 4% loss on a big window screen with a box fan)
I am of the belief that a bit of starch smeared on the outside of the kernels, if not too wet, is very beneficial. I get some bursted kernels after 25 minutes of boil, wished I had more.
TMI I know, but you asked.
ps, I did the mistake of trying to prep a ton of grains at once when I started bags.... the stove takes forever to get to boiling, and over saturates the grains. Now I cook each 4 quart bag individually so it can get the speedy, full wrath of my stovetop burner.
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: natedawgnow]
#26344521 - 11/25/19 12:16 PM (4 years, 2 months ago) |
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natedawgnow said: So theyre biodegradable and they withstand pc temps?
Nate, i can tell you my buddy in denver soley uses these bags and has since they released that line. I ask everytime we speak, about weekly and for 3 or 4 months he cant attribute any negative effects to the bags.
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AyePlus
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Shiitake needs more air for browning, 0.2 can be used for them but only with brown out of bag style or you poke a hole once full colonization is reached and theyβll brown in the bag with th ose too.
, some growers use no supplements and the 5.0micron bags too. Any of them will work with a proper adjustment of technique.
do you have lighting in your incubation? This often leads to premature popcorning and in vitro fruiting IME.
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: AyePlus]
#26344540 - 11/25/19 12:26 PM (4 years, 2 months ago) |
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hmm... maybe that is it. I do have lighting. also been steadily lowering my spawn rates as I've been experimenting with supplements. got a new culture Im about to take to grain so I'll keep this in mind come spawning time. I have always read shiitake like to be incubated in the dark. I don't have the space for a separate incubation area tho. maybe Ill stick em in one of my "tell tale" totes this next go.
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: sh4d0ws]
#26344555 - 11/25/19 12:33 PM (4 years, 2 months ago) |
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sh4d0ws said: Leucistic varieties, is it normal for these things to kind of grow in light gray before the mycelium gets thicker and white?
I am growing LGT and it is tripping me out sometimes it looks like mostly grayish until it gets thicker 
I've noticed LGT doing shit like that. The myc is always tomentose for me. Looks almost like cobweb at times.
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: AyePlus]
#26344558 - 11/25/19 12:34 PM (4 years, 2 months ago) |
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Maybe someone can sympathize...feeling heartbroken over BS.
I spawned some stuff to coir and had leftover coir, so I put in a few jars for storage. 2-3 days later, I see a grain got into one of the jars and started colonizing the coir. So I went to toss it and it almost brought me to tears thinking about this colony of myc...it escaped certain death, finally found a source of moisture, started growing- all to be murdered cause I need that jar.
Ok so I was also coming down from a heroic doze when I discovered it but still...hit me right in the feelsπ.
P.S. the grain is alive and well in a trash bag that Iβm still reluctant to put in the garbage... P.P.S. God damn Iβm a bitch...π
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Feasoghorm]
#26344671 - 11/25/19 01:22 PM (4 years, 2 months ago) |
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GypsyCurse said:
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sh4d0ws said: Leucistic varieties, is it normal for these things to kind of grow in light gray before the mycelium gets thicker and white?
I am growing LGT and it is tripping me out sometimes it looks like mostly grayish until it gets thicker 
I've noticed LGT doing shit like that. The myc is always tomentose for me. Looks almost like cobweb at times.
Yeah it's been extremely tomentose on agar especially. But it looks really good after it grows in.
I have some RW agar growing it isn't nearly as tomentose
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: tedoro]
#26344674 - 11/25/19 01:23 PM (4 years, 2 months ago) |
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tedoro said: Camera93...
I've been very interested in describing grain prep better. My current thoughts are that there are three main traits to prepping grains: (I grow cubes on rye and wheat) (I work with 4 quart bags)
1) inner kernel hydration
2) outer surface wetness
3) amount boiled/bursted kernels
I squirt 30cc of LI into 4 quarts of grain in bags.
I weigh grains after draining boiling water off, then again after I dry. I do the math and come up with percentages.
The sweet spot for my big bags (they like to be drier than jars) seems to be this..... boiled as long as possible, but not exceeding 47% water content after boiling water is drained. (dry grains dropped into a minimal amount of hot tap water, 10 minutes to boil, 25 minutes boil, 35 minutes total.... 47% water content). Then between 2-4% dried away from the outer surface. 1% is too little and leaves the bag wet. 4% tends to be too dry, inhibiting leap off. (first two percents are easy with piping hot grains - Toss the grains around for 2 minutes in a strainer and boom. The third and fourth percents get progressively more difficult to achieve as the grains cool and don't steam... Took me 4 hours to get 4% loss on a big window screen with a box fan)
I am of the belief that a bit of starch smeared on the outside of the kernels, if not too wet, is very beneficial. I get some bursted kernels after 25 minutes of boil, wished I had more.
TMI I know, but you asked.
ps, I did the mistake of trying to prep a ton of grains at once when I started bags.... the stove takes forever to get to boiling, and over saturates the grains. Now I cook each 4 quart bag individually so it can get the speedy, full wrath of my stovetop burner.
I appreciate the input Ted! I also have made that mistake, trying to bring my PC to a boil on an electric stove with like 15 quarts of oats in there lol
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Camera93]
#26344820 - 11/25/19 02:23 PM (4 years, 2 months ago) |
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Guys, I dont know anything about Lights in this hobby. Is this properly set up?
Should I just Ditch this 300w pentafucker and use the little light, or does it improve the grow?
Do I need to have a fan on the lamp? I think these fans might be included for plant growing.
Its also "cold" I guess that sucks

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Things are developinning good, but I need the esteemed gentlemen's input on whether or not this lamp is a good idea:

its 6500 k cool spectrum 300 watts
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Reason: Not an advanced cultivation topic.
3500K is more of a 'warm white' and better suited to reading or cooking in the kitchen. I like to do photography with a 3,000K light source and that's what was used for making my DVD, since it produces warmer and more natural skin tones.
6,500 K is best for mushroom primordia stimulation, not because it mimics daylight, but because testing over a wide range of spectrum has shown that frequency to produce the most abundant pinsets and the meatiest, heaviest fruits.
If you buy fluorescent lamps, 'daylight' is normally going to be labeled 6,500 Kelvin. If you hold a white piece of paper up to the lamp, it will look slightly blue, thus we call it in the 'blue' spectrum. RR
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Inocuole]
#26344842 - 11/25/19 02:33 PM (4 years, 2 months ago) |
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I'm at Walmart in the RTV silicone aisle. which one should I get, the black silicone the clear RTV silicone clear silicone RTV, well I just saw this JB superweld it says strength 3500 PSI set time 10 seconds full cure 12 hours cure color clear, high strength low odor impact-resistant dot-dot-dot.. I'm looking for the stuff to make lids. Anyone know exactly which one I should get?
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: meaculpaUIO]
#26344843 - 11/25/19 02:34 PM (4 years, 2 months ago) |
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That looks great to me. set it on a 12/12 timer.
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vinnie boombotz said: I'm at Walmart in the RTV silicone aisle. which one should I get, the black silicone the clear RTV silicone clear silicone RTV, well I just saw this JB superweld it says strength 3500 PSI set time 10 seconds full cure 12 hours cure color clear, high strength low odor impact-resistant dot-dot-dot.. I'm looking for the stuff to make lids. Anyone know exactly which one I should get?
if it says "RTV" you're golden color doesnt matter except for visual aesthetics. I get caulk tubes of it in the wood fired stove dept at the hardware stores. at walmart itd likely be in the automotive dept
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vinnie boombotz said: I'm at Walmart in the RTV silicone aisle. which one should I get, the black silicone the clear RTV silicone clear silicone RTV, well I just saw this JB superweld it says strength 3500 PSI set time 10 seconds full cure 12 hours cure color clear, high strength low odor impact-resistant dot-dot-dot.. I'm looking for the stuff to make lids. Anyone know exactly which one I should get?
If youβre making inoculation ports, get the clear kind. Otherwise, w.eβs cheaperπ€·π»ββοΈ
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: feldman114]
#26344885 - 11/25/19 02:51 PM (4 years, 2 months ago) |
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You can also use anything that is 100 percent silicone you dont need to use specifically rtv or gasket maker.
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: gizmo1]
#26344893 - 11/25/19 02:56 PM (4 years, 2 months ago) |
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rtv stands for room temperature vulcanizing. It just means it solidifies at normal temps when exposed to air. All standard silicone caulks are rtv, not just automotive.
but yea main point is spot on, regular old 100% silicone caulk is what you're lookin for.
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