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Re: general cult discussion [Re: Failboat]
    #26300373 - 11/05/19 10:33 AM (4 years, 2 months ago)

A little gypsum rant...

Seriously what the fuck, a kilo (two pounds) of the bloody thing costs 10 EUR in a home brewing store! And that's a cheap place for it. Well it's "medical / food grade, high purity" and whatnot, but I don't need that shit for mushrooms! I'm not gonna eat the stuff, the mycelium will. Farmers supply stores simply don't have it. I asked around, and they were like "we don't have it, no idea who does, barely anyone asks about it, and we have these pre-mixed soil additives which people generally buy".

Sheetrock, well fuck me if I'm gonna try to powder sheetrock in my apartment or the communal garden. Everyone would think I have lost my mind, and I'd potentially cover everything with tiny glass fibre debris. Might as well go and shovel asbestos.

So... plaster of fucking paris. People apparently love to facepalm at it, but as far as I understand, in the US you can get gypsum for significantly less than $5 a pound. Unlike here. So... Looking at it chemically, pure plaster of paris is just gypsum minus water. So, add water, you get gypsum. I have no idea why you'd have to let it harden, if you just add more water than it takes up, it becomes gypsum mud instead of gypsum rock. Ta-dah. Just calculate the excess water you need.

Now there remains the whole thing with lime that might be in it, and Ph. Why not balance the Ph of the bulk instead with vinegar, if it gets too alkaline? Yes, it sounds like a lot of work, but a heck of a lot less work than going dumpster diving at construction sites and grinding drywall... and pure plaster of paris is literally one tenth the price of food grade gypsum.


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Re: general cult discussion [Re: PsyduckMonkey]
    #26300479 - 11/05/19 11:28 AM (4 years, 2 months ago)

You don’t need gypsum and it’s not adjusting the ph of the sub.


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Re: general cult discussion [Re: PsyduckMonkey]
    #26300492 - 11/05/19 11:33 AM (4 years, 2 months ago)

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A little gypsum rant...

Seriously what the fuck, a kilo (two pounds) of the bloody thing costs 10 EUR in a home brewing store! And that's a cheap place for it. Well it's "medical / food grade, high purity" and whatnot, but I don't need that shit for mushrooms! I'm not gonna eat the stuff, the mycelium will. Farmers supply stores simply don't have it. I asked around, and they were like "we don't have it, no idea who does, barely anyone asks about it, and we have these pre-mixed soil additives which people generally buy".

Sheetrock, well fuck me if I'm gonna try to powder sheetrock in my apartment or the communal garden. Everyone would think I have lost my mind, and I'd potentially cover everything with tiny glass fibre debris. Might as well go and shovel asbestos.

So... plaster of fucking paris. People apparently love to facepalm at it, but as far as I understand, in the US you can get gypsum for significantly less than $5 a pound. Unlike here. So... Looking at it chemically, pure plaster of paris is just gypsum minus water. So, add water, you get gypsum. I have no idea why you'd have to let it harden, if you just add more water than it takes up, it becomes gypsum mud instead of gypsum rock. Ta-dah. Just calculate the excess water you need.

Now there remains the whole thing with lime that might be in it, and Ph. Why not balance the Ph of the bulk instead with vinegar, if it gets too alkaline? Yes, it sounds like a lot of work, but a heck of a lot less work than going dumpster diving at construction sites and grinding drywall... and pure plaster of paris is literally one tenth the price of food grade gypsum.




You should be able to find gypsum pellets (something like this https://www.homehardware.ca/en/25kg-granulated-gypsum-soil-conditioner/p/5024089) for much cheaper. I made the mistake of buying it in powder form as well and was shocked at the price.

Check a department store or the like with gardening section.

That being said it isn't really necessary, I bought a kilo of it last year and stopped using it because I noticed no improvement it just became an extra unnecessary step. Apparently it can help with grains sticking together as well but if you prep your grain correctly, that shouldn't happen anyways. I had mainly bought it to add with my coir to make the (CVG) but ended up omitting vermiculite too. I like straight coir.


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Re: general cult discussion [Re: Mycolorado]
    #26300504 - 11/05/19 11:37 AM (4 years, 2 months ago)

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You don’t need gypsum and it’s not adjusting the ph of the sub.



If I'm willing to use it does it really help though? I like it so far for wbs at least.


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Re: general cult discussion [Re: Mycolorado]
    #26300513 - 11/05/19 11:41 AM (4 years, 2 months ago)

lime adjusts the PH.

I love gypsum for grain clumping issues:shrug:  got a bag of hulled oats to work using it.

  Ill get distracted and forget to set my timer sometimes and need to use it... like last night, I have no clue how long my grains were at pressure for cause I fell asleep:facepalm3:

I stopped using it in my subs long ago


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Re: general cult discussion [Re: spiritlands]
    #26300533 - 11/05/19 11:50 AM (4 years, 2 months ago)

As mentioned it can help keep grain from sticking together but better grain prep is all that’s really needed for that.  As far as a sub additive it’s more of a conditioner that helps fluff up sub or to keep straw from getting greasy when using manures...at least traditionally.  I wouldn’t kill myself trying to track it down either way.


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Re: general cult discussion [Re: Mycolorado]
    #26300765 - 11/05/19 01:45 PM (4 years, 2 months ago)

So I spawned out some grain jars into coir 2 days ago, (using unmodified tek btw) and 1 half of this tub design doesnt seem to be gathering much moisture around the edge of the tub. Should I leave it alone or mist the edges once over?


Any tips n tricks would be appreciated!

My other tubs seem 2 be going well, I think its due to the design of the tubs themselves? (these tubs was spawned @ a different time and are not the same design tub as aboves)




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Re: general cult discussion [Re: Blazer420]
    #26301160 - 11/05/19 04:09 PM (4 years, 2 months ago)

Anyone run into this before?  Like a thinning of the myc around the edges?  It happened two days after I took transfers from the dishes, but I don't think the transfers are what caused it to happen, because a few other plates of the same clones didn't have this problem.  My assumption is that it's just a contam fighting the myc, but I've never ran into it before.






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Re: general cult discussion [Re: Gan]
    #26301187 - 11/05/19 04:20 PM (4 years, 2 months ago)

looks like bacteria to me. in the light under pics you can see the puddling film look. Maybe a mistake in pouring or transfer. You could try hot pouring, tiny transfer from myc surface(hope it outruns on next plate), or just take it back to the last decent plate. Maybe the transfers will come out alright or outrun the contam, but i'd think with that much growth it was already there before you took transfers.


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Re: general cult discussion [Re: LtLurker]
    #26301233 - 11/05/19 04:41 PM (4 years, 2 months ago)



What make myc do this?


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Re: general cult discussion [Re: Edmunter]
    #26301267 - 11/05/19 04:56 PM (4 years, 2 months ago)

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What make myc do this?




Ive had a few jars do this recently.  I've been told bacteria, but they don't have much condensation and the mycelium consumes the entire grain (no wet spots against the glass).  They break up very easy and recover extremely fast.  Haven't reached the fruiting stage, so don't know the outcome.  This doesn't help you, but you I'd like to know as well.


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Re: general cult discussion [Re: Edmunter]
    #26301268 - 11/05/19 04:56 PM (4 years, 2 months ago)

is it just ryzo Edmunter? :shrug:
what variety inoc'd with?


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Re: general cult discussion [Re: TeaforTwo]
    #26301276 - 11/05/19 04:58 PM (4 years, 2 months ago)

I had jars do that and people poo pooed them. Probably the best spawn I had :lol:


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Re: general cult discussion [Re: LtLurker]
    #26301283 - 11/05/19 05:00 PM (4 years, 2 months ago)

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looks like bacteria to me. in the light under pics you can see the puddling film look.





You care to elaborate on this shortly?  Or just point out in the picture where this is happening at?  Sorry, but trying to train my new eyes to spotting contams.

Also, as I understand it hot pouring just means making up some agar, cooling it down to the temp for normally pouring plates, and then pour a thin layer on top of your colonized plate.  That correct?


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    #26301285 - 11/05/19 05:02 PM (4 years, 2 months ago)

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is it just ryzo Edmunter? :shrug:
what variety inoc'd with?




Standard cubensis, Amazonian but its a little bit funky.  Worth fruiting but nothing worthy of a master.



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Re: general cult discussion [Re: Gan]
    #26301305 - 11/05/19 05:10 PM (4 years, 2 months ago)

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LtLurker said:
looks like bacteria to me. in the light under pics you can see the puddling film look.





You care to elaborate on this shortly?  Or just point out in the picture where this is happening at?  Sorry, but trying to train my new eyes to spotting contams.

Also, as I understand it hot pouring just means making up some agar, cooling it down to the temp for normally pouring plates, and then pour a thin layer on top of your colonized plate.  That correct?



i don't know how better to describe it and i can't really do the pic edit thing some do. There's like a big water spot taking most of the plate that you can clearly see when held up to light. If you look close at the right angle it probably won't look like normal smooth agar, it'll be "choppy".

Hot pour is just that man. Pour another agar layer on top, myc should break to surface faster than bacteria and you can take a little myc off the top hopefully. If you search there may be a detailed write-up idk.


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Re: general cult discussion [Re: LtLurker]
    #26301919 - 11/05/19 11:50 PM (4 years, 2 months ago)

Those starburst myc fingers is due to bacteria its at least what I have been told and seen.. it's just like when the agar plate gets those fingers pointing out ... I still use bacterial shit as long as it isnt real bad like the blotchy clumpy looking shit or tons of metabolites ..

They look good enough for me ed


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Re: general cult discussion [Re: Boogieman47]
    #26301934 - 11/06/19 12:07 AM (4 years, 2 months ago)

Sweet sassy molassy, Boogie is a TC! Look at that shit.

Hey somebody post a pic or two of some peuw. I can only find a couple pics from search cuz imma dumb-dumbs, and they look all different. Getting a hard on for this tub. Spawned a big god damn tub of it, dnt knw what it looks like.


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Re: general cult discussion [Re: Feasoghorm]
    #26301950 - 11/06/19 12:18 AM (4 years, 2 months ago)



Here you go my friend


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Re: general cult discussion [Re: Boogieman47]
    #26301967 - 11/06/19 12:38 AM (4 years, 2 months ago)

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Here you go my friend



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