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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Edmunter]
#26265437 - 10/20/19 01:17 PM (4 years, 3 months ago) |
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Well i cant say for certain.... But i just did 12 qts from 1, millet to oat, and they were fully colonized in 10 days. I just have 2 left to spawn, so it moves quick.
I would say that the grain itself matter less than proper distribution and ratio. Millet has properties that make the first part easier but colonization time really just depends on the culture and how much you started with. After that, as long as you can get the spawn distributed evenly in the reciever it shoudlnt take longer than 13 days. The most important part is leaving space for the incoming grain and still being able to shake it after.
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: jbgtaa]
#26265470 - 10/20/19 01:34 PM (4 years, 3 months ago) |
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jbgtaa said: Well i cant say for certain.... But i just did 12 qts from 1, millet to oat, and they were fully colonized in 10 days. I just have 2 left to spawn, so it moves quick.
I would say that the grain itself matter less than proper distribution and ratio. Millet has properties that make the first part easier but colonization time really just depends on the culture and how much you started with. After that, as long as you can get the spawn distributed evenly in the reciever it shoudlnt take longer than 13 days. The most important part is leaving space for the incoming grain and still being able to shake it after.
What's you average from agar drop till full colonisation master jar?
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: replyom]
#26265532 - 10/20/19 02:14 PM (4 years, 3 months ago) |
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GypsyCurse said: Thats where it's gonna start pinning..in the mixed area between droplet center and puffy dry outside. Idk, mist if you like dude. See what happens. I generally shy away from it till after first flush cuz it makes shit look all fucked up and can cause issues i thnk.
Hey, thanks a lot for your reply
I find it really interesting, it seems like people here have concrete advice for most situations, except for adjusting surface conditions (unless the surface is dry/wet/contaminated to the extreme). I'm a scientist by trade and it's sort of frustrating not to have explicit instructions/decision making process (if it looks like x, do y, otherwise do z). I recently read a post by BOD where he says he purposefully avoids answering questions about surface conditions because people just have to figure it out on their own. I do love experimentation and learning through trial and error, but why is it just surface conditions that each of us should figure out on our own? Why not have that attitude for agar and spawn, too? Don't get me wrong, I'm not upset or frustrated, just genuinely curious what makes substrate conditions unique. Perhaps it's because 1) at this stage, surface conditions are pretty forgiving, assuming it's not dry or wet to the extreme (and assuming you have clean spawn, of course), and 2) it's difficult to give explicit instructions for misting and FAE since every tub/environment/cultivator is different. Anyway, /rant, I'll probably stop overthinking it once I manage to get some fruits, then I can trust that this process generally does work.
Followed your lead and didn't mist. Just going to accept that the corners will be dry. Seeing more of the tiny bright white spots (beginning of knots?) all across the AA+ tub surface. Argentina tub surface looks pretty different (it's 3 days behind AA+) but might also be starting to knot in its own way.
AA+ spawned 9 days ago Interesting how the corners are really puffy, is this associated with the surface being dry, or something else?
 Argentina spawned 6 days ago
Surface conditions...Well, there is plenty of "do A to get effect B" but it's a matter of degree due to the variables of everyone's unique setup and atmosphere. Turns out it's better to jst explain the fundamentals.
You can totally mist your shit all you want dude haha, i jst dnt like misting. Chances are if you mist, it's jst gonna be dry again in a few hours, due to your current setup and conditions. Misting it repeatedly seems to fuck the surface up.
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Feasoghorm] 1
#26265557 - 10/20/19 02:27 PM (4 years, 3 months ago) |
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GypsyCurse said: Here here! Fungus is very very old. Way older than us. I dnt doubt that "in a way" it is wiser.
Sometimes when I trip I feel like the mushrooms are a symbiote like venom. And the whole trip is like the mushrooms get to experience what I experience but they give me mushroom vision. It's like their whole point is to grow and get eaten to share an experience with me. Bc they can't have the experience without a body and I can't have it without mushrooms....
I like to think about this when I'm tripping hard. By cultivating them and spreading them around we kind of do have a symbiotic relationship. That's my really-high thought for the day.

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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: spiritlands]
#26265610 - 10/20/19 02:43 PM (4 years, 3 months ago) |
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Looking at my op while dosed is a trip forsure.
I think psilocybes were put here by a caring being, be it an advanced civilization who has lost hope for it's creation (earth) or a spiritual being, but i prefer the former.
I truly belive the fungus was brought here before anything else
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: chipsandwich]
#26265693 - 10/20/19 03:23 PM (4 years, 3 months ago) |
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He makes it at home and gave me close to a gallon of it at about twice the strength of what is sold in stores.
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: replyom]
#26265763 - 10/20/19 04:09 PM (4 years, 3 months ago) |
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GypsyCurse said: Thats where it's gonna start pinning..in the mixed area between droplet center and puffy dry outside. Idk, mist if you like dude. See what happens. I generally shy away from it till after first flush cuz it makes shit look all fucked up and can cause issues i thnk.
Hey, thanks a lot for your reply
I find it really interesting, it seems like people here have concrete advice for most situations, except for adjusting surface conditions (unless the surface is dry/wet/contaminated to the extreme). I'm a scientist by trade and it's sort of frustrating not to have explicit instructions/decision making process (if it looks like x, do y, otherwise do z). I recently read a post by BOD where he says he purposefully avoids answering questions about surface conditions because people just have to figure it out on their own. I do love experimentation and learning through trial and error, but why is it just surface conditions that each of us should figure out on our own? Why not have that attitude for agar and spawn, too? Don't get me wrong, I'm not upset or frustrated, just genuinely curious what makes substrate conditions unique. Perhaps it's because 1) at this stage, surface conditions are pretty forgiving, assuming it's not dry or wet to the extreme (and assuming you have clean spawn, of course), and 2) it's difficult to give explicit instructions for misting and FAE since every tub/environment/cultivator is different. Anyway, /rant, I'll probably stop overthinking it once I manage to get some fruits, then I can trust that this process generally does work.
Followed your lead and didn't mist. Just going to accept that the corners will be dry. Seeing more of the tiny bright white spots (beginning of knots?) all across the AA+ tub surface. Argentina tub surface looks pretty different (it's 3 days behind AA+) but might also be starting to knot in its own way.
AA+ spawned 9 days ago Interesting how the corners are really puffy, is this associated with the surface being dry, or something else?
 Argentina spawned 6 days ago
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GypsyCurse said: Thats where it's gonna start pinning..in the mixed area between droplet center and puffy dry outside. Idk, mist if you like dude. See what happens. I generally shy away from it till after first flush cuz it makes shit look all fucked up and can cause issues i thnk.
Hey, thanks a lot for your reply
I find it really interesting, it seems like people here have concrete advice for most situations, except for adjusting surface conditions (unless the surface is dry/wet/contaminated to the extreme). I'm a scientist by trade and it's sort of frustrating not to have explicit instructions/decision making process (if it looks like x, do y, otherwise do z). I recently read a post by BOD where he says he purposefully avoids answering questions about surface conditions because people just have to figure it out on their own. I do love experimentation and learning through trial and error, but why is it just surface conditions that each of us should figure out on our own? Why not have that attitude for agar and spawn, too? Don't get me wrong, I'm not upset or frustrated, just genuinely curious what makes substrate conditions unique. Perhaps it's because 1) at this stage, surface conditions are pretty forgiving, assuming it's not dry or wet to the extreme (and assuming you have clean spawn, of course), and 2) it's difficult to give explicit instructions for misting and FAE since every tub/environment/cultivator is different. Anyway, /rant, I'll probably stop overthinking it once I manage to get some fruits, then I can trust that this process generally does work.
Followed your lead and didn't mist. Just going to accept that the corners will be dry. Seeing more of the tiny bright white spots (beginning of knots?) all across the AA+ tub surface. Argentina tub surface looks pretty different (it's 3 days behind AA+) but might also be starting to knot in its own way.
AA+ spawned 9 days ago Interesting how the corners are really puffy, is this associated with the surface being dry, or something else?
 Argentina spawned 6 days ago
You know what, everyone’s conditions are different. If you do a tub in a dark damp cave compared to doing a tub in an arid windy desert, things ain’t gonna be the same. What works for you won’t work for someone else. Getting a standard hydrated substrate is what you’re after. How you get it is gonna be the skill that you learn. Tbh they generally want to be left alone to do their thing, they just want to live, you can help them on their way but you can only do so much. There is science, there is luck, and then there is everything else.
Sorry for being no help whatsoever 
Good luck
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Edmunter]
#26265777 - 10/20/19 04:19 PM (4 years, 3 months ago) |
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jbgtaa said: Well i cant say for certain.... But i just did 12 qts from 1, millet to oat, and they were fully colonized in 10 days. I just have 2 left to spawn, so it moves quick.
I would say that the grain itself matter less than proper distribution and ratio. Millet has properties that make the first part easier but colonization time really just depends on the culture and how much you started with. After that, as long as you can get the spawn distributed evenly in the reciever it shoudlnt take longer than 13 days. The most important part is leaving space for the incoming grain and still being able to shake it after.
What's you average from agar drop till full colonisation master jar?
15-25 days usually but I always forget to shake. That and a habit of over filling jars makes shaking very scarce for me. I switched to regular mouth jars just to get used to leaving space and times have increased forsure, even distribution of mycelium is the most important thing. I also tend to use smaller than average agar wedges, no bigger than 1/5 of a plate so that also affects my times.
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: jbgtaa]
#26265903 - 10/20/19 05:36 PM (4 years, 3 months ago) |
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😍😍😍
Is this blue points are bruising? Any advice for beginner please? Peace.🍄💙
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Gitgit]
#26265924 - 10/20/19 05:47 PM (4 years, 3 months ago) |
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Blue wud be bruising, yes. Cheers bringin' in a box buddy! My advise wud be more light and more FAE next time around.
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Feasoghorm]
#26265928 - 10/20/19 05:50 PM (4 years, 3 months ago) |
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Ok thanks! and one question. I want to put water to cake to make one more flush after harvesting. Are this bruis are problem ?
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Gitgit]
#26265934 - 10/20/19 05:55 PM (4 years, 3 months ago) |
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Just post the same pics on all the threads and do your own thing, your choice
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Smoothcat]
#26266007 - 10/20/19 06:46 PM (4 years, 3 months ago) |
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Nah, it's not bruised bad. Jst needs a drink. I wud pour water down the side of the sub, hopefully there is a gap between the sub and wall of tub. I like to pour enough cool water in to start to float the sub. Leave for about 24hrs, then drain.
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Feasoghorm]
#26266076 - 10/20/19 07:49 PM (4 years, 3 months ago) |
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GypsyCurse said: Nah, it's not bruised bad. Jst needs a drink. I wud pour water down the side of the sub, hopefully there is a gap between the sub and wall of tub. I like to pour enough cool water in to start to float the sub. Leave for about 24hrs, then drain.
If there isn’t a gap like that, take a syringe and just poke down to the bottom in a bare spot and VERY SLOWLY inject NO MORE THAN 5-10ml into the substrate. Don’t use distilled water, boiled water is probably fine but I just use tap water for bottom watering.
If you can just pour it down the sides do that much less risky.
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Feasoghorm]
#26266086 - 10/20/19 07:54 PM (4 years, 3 months ago) |
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GypsyCurse said: You can totally mist your shit all you want dude haha, i jst dnt like misting. Chances are if you mist, it's jst gonna be dry again in a few hours, due to your current setup and conditions. Misting it repeatedly seems to fuck the surface up.
Haha I don't want to or not want to, I just want to do what those more experienced than me think is best. And presently you're the only one telling me what they think is best, so I'm following that advice! Cheers man
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: jbgtaa]
#26266126 - 10/20/19 08:18 PM (4 years, 3 months ago) |
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replyom said: Haha I don't want to or not want to, I just want to do what those more experienced than me think is best. And presently you're the only one telling me what they think is best, so I'm following that advice! Cheers man

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GypsyCurse said: Nah, it's not bruised bad. Jst needs a drink. I wud pour water down the side of the sub, hopefully there is a gap between the sub and wall of tub. I like to pour enough cool water in to start to float the sub. Leave for about 24hrs, then drain.
If there isn’t a gap like that, take a syringe and just poke down to the bottom in a bare spot and VERY SLOWLY inject NO MORE THAN 5-10ml into the substrate. Don’t use distilled water, boiled water is probably fine but I just use tap water for bottom watering.
If you can just pour it down the sides do that much less risky.
Cheese & crackers! This guys over here shooting up subs.
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: jbgtaa]
#26266433 - 10/21/19 12:37 AM (4 years, 3 months ago) |
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jbgtaa said: Well i cant say for certain.... But i just did 12 qts from 1, millet to oat, and they were fully colonized in 10 days. I just have 2 left to spawn, so it moves quick.
I would say that the grain itself matter less than proper distribution and ratio. Millet has properties that make the first part easier but colonization time really just depends on the culture and how much you started with. After that, as long as you can get the spawn distributed evenly in the reciever it shoudlnt take longer than 13 days. The most important part is leaving space for the incoming grain and still being able to shake it after.
What's you average from agar drop till full colonisation master jar?
15-25 days usually but I always forget to shake. That and a habit of over filling jars makes shaking very scarce for me. I switched to regular mouth jars just to get used to leaving space and times have increased forsure, even distribution of mycelium is the most important thing. I also tend to use smaller than average agar wedges, no bigger than 1/5 of a plate so that also affects my times.
I spoke about some grain jars b4 that were slow after the agar drop. inoculated 2/10 and 80 % there now. Ive been thinking slight contamination but it happened with 7 jars from 4 different cultures. The thing is the growth looks clean. Another jar took 10 days and looked very suspect, did a g2g for shitz and its colonising cleanly......... This hobby is fucked.....but I love it!
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Edmunter]
#26266435 - 10/21/19 12:39 AM (4 years, 3 months ago) |
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12ish days is normal for most of my cultures
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: cronicr]
#26266441 - 10/21/19 12:49 AM (4 years, 3 months ago) |
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cronicr said: 12ish days is normal for most of my cultures
This makes me think its either poor grain prep or contamination across 4 cultures that all looked clean..
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Edmunter]
#26266445 - 10/21/19 01:03 AM (4 years, 3 months ago) |
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Yeah getting to 30% shouldn't take too long. I always check my grains these days, I was doing a dry load add water and pc for awhile but was having issues with slow growth, grains were on the dry side and starchy so I don't skimp on prep anymore
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