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AyePlus
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AyePlus said: How is an extra step that isn’t 100% necessary somehow easier? Not sure I follow that.
Because the "extra step" takes like 2 seconds and prevents a bag bursting for me, which is a huge hassle and a massive waste of time I can't spare.
If it works for you it works, just didnt seem to make a lick of difference for me
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I had the same thought about the sleeves helping prevent them from popping but when I added them back into my prep it reduced the problem very slightly but didn't make a big difference.
Have you tried using a pillowcase to line the PC? Also makes it so you dont need a plate on too anymore if you roll the excess down and tie it up nice and tight
If you still had popped bags even with sleeves then you're doing something else wrong. No, I didn't look into using pillowcases or rolling bags and tying them. Those are extra steps that exceed my Tyvek sleeve so I don't see them as a plus. And I don't believe my PC/sterilizer needing to be lined was the issue, nor bags needing to be tied.
You misunderstand, the only bag being rolled down and tied is the remainder of the pillowcase, and that is instead of using a plate to weight down the bags/prevent bags from sealing the vent.
Tyvek or not I was getting burst bags on the presto cookers that were over flame but not hotplates. Or in the mirro cooker which is thicker, I imagine with an AA the problem would be less also, Finally Figured out it was from the presto’s cooling off too fast, the pillowcase is probably unnecessary but I like it and its pretty easy, adds a slight bit of insulation, and keeps the bags contained nice and tight/ prevents them from expanding as much. The rampdown is the real trick IMO
Mostly I never cared for putting the tyvek in. And got used to doing supplemented sawdust bags without it. And those hardly ever pop, I’ve steamed over 1000 of them and can only think of a couple times one went.
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Feasoghorm

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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: AyePlus]
#26252946 - 10/15/19 01:22 AM (4 years, 3 months ago) |
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Wow... Well idk nothin bout no bags, but busting an old jar on your knee while breaking grains will FUCK YOU UP! To the point where you get a little quiver in your sphincter everytime you gotta break up the grain to spawn.
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stareatclouds
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: AyePlus]
#26252964 - 10/15/19 01:46 AM (4 years, 3 months ago) |
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Right, you had compromised bags because your flame rode too high and/or your thin Presto cools down too quick with shutting off. Of course Tyvek won't make a difference in that scenario. I feel like steaming is completely different from PC/sterilizer, too. I agree the cooldown period is important.
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GypsyCurse said: Wow... Well idk nothin bout no bags, but busting an old jar on your knee while breaking grains will FUCK YOU UP! To the point where you get a little quiver in your sphincter everytime you gotta break up the grain to spawn.
Hope you're okay. I worry about this, but have only broken 1 jar, I think. I sometime's break them up in my hands, but usually bare heel, shoe if it's already on. Should probably look for hairline fractures in jars one day.
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: stareatclouds] 1
#26253229 - 10/15/19 07:31 AM (4 years, 3 months ago) |
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I break up jars against my hands and I have never broken a jar. If you smack a jar, make sure you hit it on a strong part of the glass. Flat sides are a no no. You want to hit it on one of the curved sides cause the curve is the strongest part of the glass.
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Camera93
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Camera93]
#26253238 - 10/15/19 07:40 AM (4 years, 3 months ago) |
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Camera93 said: I have 3 plates that I know are clean, and a few of my own no pours that I took to be clean. My last several attempts at transfers, LC, A2G has resulted in a ton of trich or some other green nasty. Maybe not trich as I recall a thread with green mold pics similar to mine called something else.
But the doner plates never contam, leading me to believe its my sterile practice. I have grain jars that were PC'd but never nocced that didn't tam, yet. Blank no pours that don't have anything growing in them.
so its coming from something I am doing in the SAB correct?
I'm all paranoid cause I have opened green jars in the apartment a few times to dump, and seen all the shit "smoking" out of them. Have I just overloaded my place with mold spores?
Carpet in bedroom where I work, would laying cardboard down prior to letting air settle and working do me any good?

I have spammed this pic for little reason until now, sorry for the 3rd(?) time, but here is how it is all set up
LC's in the pic got green in them, and I don't have shit on top of the SAB normally. Felling defensive... But please let me know if I just let my sterile tek inside the box go to shit, or if maybe a good cleaning is in order
Little update, I made a bunch of no pours up. The 3 petries I transferred from have gotten a shit ton of colonies pop up and turn green in the center. 3 that I got from from someone else. I took a transfer from one of my cultures, no satellites still. 2 plates streaked with spores and one PE swab just buried in the plate..no satellites. 1 plate i failed to get the transfer off my tool into the receiving dish, stabbed a bunch of times and generally sloppy...no satellites.
Can I start leaning towards the 3 petries being the source? I thought the satellites points more to my technique, and the doner plates aren't green, they are grown to the edge and 1 has even shrunk a little but no "obvious" tam to my eye. But so far its been all my work off them plates resulting in mold and my other work hasn't.
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: AyePlus]
#26253354 - 10/15/19 08:51 AM (4 years, 3 months ago) |
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AyePlus said:
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stareatclouds said:
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AyePlus said: How is an extra step that isn’t 100% necessary somehow easier? Not sure I follow that.
Because the "extra step" takes like 2 seconds and prevents a bag bursting for me, which is a huge hassle and a massive waste of time I can't spare.
If it works for you it works, just didnt seem to make a lick of difference for me
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I had the same thought about the sleeves helping prevent them from popping but when I added them back into my prep it reduced the problem very slightly but didn't make a big difference.
Have you tried using a pillowcase to line the PC? Also makes it so you dont need a plate on too anymore if you roll the excess down and tie it up nice and tight
If you still had popped bags even with sleeves then you're doing something else wrong. No, I didn't look into using pillowcases or rolling bags and tying them. Those are extra steps that exceed my Tyvek sleeve so I don't see them as a plus. And I don't believe my PC/sterilizer needing to be lined was the issue, nor bags needing to be tied.
You misunderstand, the only bag being rolled down and tied is the remainder of the pillowcase, and that is instead of using a plate to weight down the bags/prevent bags from sealing the vent.
Tyvek or not I was getting burst bags on the presto cookers that were over flame but not hotplates. Or in the mirro cooker which is thicker, I imagine with an AA the problem would be less also, Finally Figured out it was from the presto’s cooling off too fast, the pillowcase is probably unnecessary but I like it and its pretty easy, adds a slight bit of insulation, and keeps the bags contained nice and tight/ prevents them from expanding as much. The rampdown is the real trick IMO
Mostly I never cared for putting the tyvek in. And got used to doing supplemented sawdust bags without it. And those hardly ever pop, I’ve steamed over 1000 of them and can only think of a couple times one went.
Presto cookers will burst bags because the cool down is too fast IME. If u put a stopcock on instead of a weight it will help
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AyePlus
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: TedsDead]
#26253377 - 10/15/19 09:03 AM (4 years, 3 months ago) |
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Haha thanks,
where were you with that tidbit a year ago before I figured it out myself lol
You’d be absolutely shocked if I told you how many lbs of grain I either double pressure cooked or straight up wasted before getting bags dialed. Good thing grain is cheap
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stareatclouds
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: AyePlus]
#26254541 - 10/15/19 05:39 PM (4 years, 3 months ago) |
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Right, and that's why I'm okay with just using sleeves. I tried without twice I believe, both in the same conditions as normal, and got burst bags. Tyvek allows a bit more wiggle room and will help with jar to bag transition, IMO, especially without a hood.
Camera,
No, you didn't overload your house with spores. No, there's no need to lay cardboard down. It's okay to put shit on your SAB (mine is like a shelf basically). I've had an explosion of satellites in my pour and no pour plates before that were only visible right after opening. I am confident my technique and sterile skills weren't so bad that I caused it. I think the sleeve I poured into was either compromised already or the no-pours failed (which they can do after time). If you're still taking transfers that are clean, you're fine.
Also I'm pretty sure I use the same table as you for my SAB, lol. Also what tote is that? It's huge.
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Feasoghorm

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There's a trillion death spores in the air already.
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Psilosopherr
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So fellas: I got a propane burner but the manual heavily warns against using indoors, using within 10 ft of a wall, or with a ceiling overhead.
Are these just overly cautious warnings that all burners have? Do any of you folks use such burners indoors? I'm not wanting to PC outdoors in the rain
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Feasoghorm

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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Psilosopherr]
#26254573 - 10/15/19 05:52 PM (4 years, 3 months ago) |
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Puts off gasses. Make you sick.
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Psilosopherr
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Feasoghorm]
#26254578 - 10/15/19 05:54 PM (4 years, 3 months ago) |
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not if flame is blue, so I read.
I could also just run it in my semi enclosed garage, just thought I'd see what people had to say
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Feasoghorm] 2
#26254579 - 10/15/19 05:54 PM (4 years, 3 months ago) |
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Can also deplete the o2 in a closed room. josex played around with bunson burners for a sterile field or whatever but he mentioned after 45min he needed to leave the room because he got dizzy and shit.
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: mushboy]
#26254601 - 10/15/19 06:06 PM (4 years, 3 months ago) |
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 The plates i transfered from
 The resulting plates
 Plates i streaked, buried swab in, and made a transfer to from one of my ms cultures
Am i being more sloppy when transferring A2A then when i streaked? All in the same session
I keep seeing to work towards the back of the box and realized I am a bit closer to the front when working then outta be
*Also in the 2 germination plates i can see that its pretty bacterial right? That myc growing faintly out from it, is that good to transfer from?
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Edited by Camera93 (10/15/19 06:28 PM)
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Camera93]
#26254628 - 10/15/19 06:26 PM (4 years, 3 months ago) |
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Camera93 said:

 The plates i transfered from
 The resulting plates
 Plates i streaked, buried swab in, and made a transfer to from one of my ms cultures
Am i being more sloppy when transferring A2A then when i streaked? All in the same session
I keep seeing to work towards the back of the box and realized I am a bit closer to the front when working then outta be
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Cthulhu23]
#26254682 - 10/15/19 06:49 PM (4 years, 3 months ago) |
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i'm also seeing that 55k btu might be too much for the cooker. But i figure, just use it on a low setting and should be fine
Just posting in case I'm dumb, don't mind me
i also think it'd be cool if we had a mush cult subforum thats strictly for new teks, tips, cool finds, etc. I'm always checking mush cult for new ideas but have to sort through the million "help me with my first grow" type of posts.
Edited by Psilosopherr (10/15/19 06:52 PM)
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stareatclouds
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Psilosopherr]
#26254822 - 10/15/19 08:08 PM (4 years, 3 months ago) |
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Camera,
I can't zoom ATM and am unfamiliar with a lot of non-cube myc, but it looks like the first plate has mold at the top. I'm wary about making any transfers from plates with sporulating mold and I'd never try and rescue shit with THAT much mold, especially plate 1. I'd toss those. The very last one might be okay, hard to tell.
Nah, you don't need to be way in the back or anything. If you're at all concerned about technique, take a video with the phone laying flat on the top of the SAB and post it. Or send it to me in private if you want.
Why are some of those wedges so huge?
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stareatclouds said: Why are some of those wedges so huge?
i wonder that a lot myself
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Camera93
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: mushboy]
#26254871 - 10/15/19 08:32 PM (4 years, 3 months ago) |
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Lol i think that's the cling wrap your seeing on plate 1 on top 2oclock
The larger wedges were wedges taken previously for A2G...which went green
Everything i have done off these plates have gone green
I made transfers off a plate i had in storage, no green Streaked spores and no green
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Feasoghorm

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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Camera93]
#26254887 - 10/15/19 08:42 PM (4 years, 3 months ago) |
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It appears to me that the plates you transfered from were generally "ok" aside from whatever the fuck is consuming plate #1.
All that shit in the resulting transfered plates looks like it came from a gust of air or some shit on your hands/tools.
You sau you were working towards the back of your sab?... Do you happen to bump into the wall of the sab from the inside causing a gust of death laden air to whoosh in?
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