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Edmunter
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Edmunter]
#26210117 - 09/26/19 05:36 AM (4 years, 4 months ago) |
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Edmunter said: So after a conversation that went like this with the wife....... "Your mushroom shit is taking over the house sort it out'
Me
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I have this question
So light is beneficial to all stages of growth but has anyone actually done a back to back light verses dark colonising experiment. I mean for agar, jars ect.....
Im thinking of building a colonising cupboard and it might have to be in the dark. If being in the dark makes it colonise slower thats ok but if it cause more problem a light in the chamber/cupboard might have to be introduced.
Help me stay married please!!!!
Has anyone done this above
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Sankhara]
#26210120 - 09/26/19 05:42 AM (4 years, 4 months ago) |
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I would harvest as they are ready, if not it's possible half are gonna be dropping spores. You can clone at any time. Allot of people will clone a pin that's in a group. You can clone from the stem if your gonna print that cap. It is better to clone before they start dropping though. Even though your gonna take the tissue from the inner of the stem you wouldn't want it covered in spores while doing that.
YEP 😁 my wife is usually giving me some type of crap. There's pieces of oats on the counter or one on the floor, shit like that. One whole room of my house is nothing but my mush stuff.
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Crackatoa]
#26210130 - 09/26/19 05:50 AM (4 years, 4 months ago) |
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@edmunter hahahaha, i see that coming for myself in the near future, but as they say in Jurassic Park(WTF?!?) life always finds its way
@Crakatoa thank you! Will be following your advice then! Very much appreciated!
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Sankhara]
#26210180 - 09/26/19 06:26 AM (4 years, 4 months ago) |
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I have run agar side by side in the dark and in the light... the lit plate colonized to the edge nearly 2 full days ahead...
Sankara, they're not THAT small buddy!
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Sankhara]
#26210188 - 09/26/19 06:31 AM (4 years, 4 months ago) |
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Edmunter - I do not know of any side by side or halfway scientific study. I do know that fruiting at least is dependent on the culture. I have a PE culture going that couldnt give a hot shit about light. Doesnt even give two shits about a whole lot of FAE either.
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Caps McGee]
#26210200 - 09/26/19 06:36 AM (4 years, 4 months ago) |
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Caps McGee said: I have run agar side by side in the dark and in the light... the lit plate colonized to the edge nearly 2 full days ahead...
As always, HIGHLY recommend running your own tests, and taking down your own observations
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Caps McGee]
#26210403 - 09/26/19 08:41 AM (4 years, 4 months ago) |
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Why would this cupboard setup need to be dark? They make all sorts of LEDs that could be used in a tight space and even battery operated if need be.
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Crackatoa]
#26210424 - 09/26/19 08:57 AM (4 years, 4 months ago) |
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Crackatoa said: Allot of people will clone a pin that's in a group. You can clone from the stem if your gonna print that cap. It is better to clone before they start dropping though.
What's the advantage of cloning a pin? Don't you want to wait to see if it's a fruit worthy of cloning? What if it turns out to be just a regular old shroom?
Didn't know that about cloning before dropping, thanks.
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: badsponge]
#26210430 - 09/26/19 09:03 AM (4 years, 4 months ago) |
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People will clone the first pin, especially if it's in a cluster,because of the quickness it has to fruit, and a pin is still growing so it'll grow out quicker on agar.That's the reason I've heard. I'll usually clone the big pretty one. If I clone a pin it's usually from a plate.
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Crackatoa]
#26210469 - 09/26/19 09:26 AM (4 years, 4 months ago) |
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Yeah I like going threw plates and finding pins to clone. Far cleaner than whats popping up out of the sub but if I see a nice cluster on the sub I'll take a tissue sample.
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Edmunter]
#26210490 - 09/26/19 09:45 AM (4 years, 4 months ago) |
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Edmunter said:
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Edmunter said: So after a conversation that went like this with the wife....... "Your mushroom shit is taking over the house sort it out'
Me
"princess wants, princess gets'
I have this question
So light is beneficial to all stages of growth but has anyone actually done a back to back light verses dark colonising experiment. I mean for agar, jars ect.....
Im thinking of building a colonising cupboard and it might have to be in the dark. If being in the dark makes it colonise slower thats ok but if it cause more problem a light in the chamber/cupboard might have to be introduced.
Help me stay married please!!!!
Has anyone done this above
Never done it myself but lots of stages used to be done in the dark and it worked. Maybe they know now it works better for light at all stages now but go for it. At least with grain jars and even tubs when they start to colonize. As you said, it should work, just take a bit longer. I think I would worry more about stale air in a closet. Could you just open the door a crack for air and even a bit of light. Happy wife, happy life right? If she's good with you growing it's good to make your girl happy, compromise
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: SunnyDayze]
#26210517 - 09/26/19 10:00 AM (4 years, 4 months ago) |
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I wouldn't worry about light until it comes to fruiting
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: tryptkaloids]
#26210545 - 09/26/19 10:15 AM (4 years, 4 months ago) |
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tryptkaloids said: Its not "good for the mycelium" it's about more inoculation points than anything else
I figured through my reading that a change in agar/lc/grain is beneficial to a culture losing vigor, no?
Wouldnt be suprised if that info was outdated though
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: jbgtaa]
#26210563 - 09/26/19 10:21 AM (4 years, 4 months ago) |
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jbgtaa said: I figured through my reading that a change in agar/lc/grain is beneficial to a culture losing vigor, no?
Bod says no, and that has been true for my limited experience. He says you shouldn't see senescence in less than 20 transfers. But the most I've gone is 5, haven't noticed any decline.
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Feasoghorm]
#26210573 - 09/26/19 10:25 AM (4 years, 4 months ago) |
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GypsyCurse said: If a plate i need that is freshly transfered to and has a bubble of bac away from the myc, imma cut it out. Anymore than that and i take a leading edge transfer to a new plate, that is hopefully clean.
Im also not innoculating grain anymore without at least a T.3 plate that i have watched grow every day of it's god damn life.
Im hoping that putting a bandito bandana around my muzzle will cut down on air gusts that happen when i breathe. I see absolutly no other new way that all this vexation cud climb abord. I shut down ALL air current in my room before i even wipe the inside of my sab.
You think you're having a draft problem? Can you post a pic of your SAB set up?
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: badsponge]
#26210577 - 09/26/19 10:26 AM (4 years, 4 months ago) |
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It takes a long time to see Senescense. It's not really a concern for cube growers considering we start from spores, not a culture. If a culture starts acting funny i might change my agar recipe a little, but i rarely change type of media, typically just % but changing nute sources for agar is a great tool every cultivator should have in their belt.
ll that being said i wouldn't be too worried when it comes to grain. Pick what you can prep best and stick with it
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Edmunter]
#26210583 - 09/26/19 10:29 AM (4 years, 4 months ago) |
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So any input on if I am just wasting my time. I see people burying bad spawn and old cakes outside and getting some mushrooms to pop up. I had few quarts I never spawned that looked pretty bacterial, so I took them to that hill, kinda "dug" away a hole and dumped the grain, then just covered with mulch, leaves, hay and other random debris over there.
I have been trying to keep it damp a few times a day.
No expectations, as this was just the alternative to going in the dumpster
but seeing as I didn't even really use soil or anything, you think this is just wasted effort, minimal as it was?
What I do is throw my spent spawn in my vegetable garden the veggies provide plenty of shade and they get water atleast once a day. I'd suggest either 1. Picking another spot with more shade 2. Transplanting some nice plants to the area to provide shade. Or 3. Make something to provide shade and still allow good air flow. I'd suggest if you have a 5 gallon bucket laying around cut the bottom out and just slap that around your spawn pile. You could alternatively make the bucket into a sgfc design with 1/4" holes in a grid pattern. Both would be easier than building a small canopy/humidity tent. Where I am the climate is horrible for cubes but I still manage to get outdoor crop all summer long. Just make your own conditions.
Do you throw contaminated spawn in too?
Absolutely I throw away nothing. It either goes into the garden or the compost bin. Never the trash.
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: tryptkaloids]
#26210592 - 09/26/19 10:32 AM (4 years, 4 months ago) |
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Im not changing anything about any of my op so theres no need to worry about that
My qualm with yalls statements iss... "you shouldnt see scenescense until 20 transfers" even if im culturing a second generation? say, i fruited MS, cloned, fruited, and cloned again. Does that qualify twenty transfers from MS?
Also, i havent started any grows from spores in a couple of months. Its all been from the same two golden teacher cultures.
Im not saying either of you are wrong at all, just wondering if what you said still applies with those^ conditions.
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: jbgtaa]
#26210612 - 09/26/19 10:43 AM (4 years, 4 months ago) |
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You won't see it in 20 transfers there really is no set number, age plays a roll along with numbers of cell division but pretty easy to take care of a good culture with slants and cool temps
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: cronicr]
#26210631 - 09/26/19 10:48 AM (4 years, 4 months ago) |
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What i meant is that edible growers use established cultures with high production rates that have been circulated for years if not decades. With actives we aren't legally supposed to trade or sell cultures so we essentially "restart" the age of the culture.
Don't worry about it and troubleshoot issues as they come. That's the best way to go about this hobby imo/e
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