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Shroomyshroom82
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Vulderius]
#26177320 - 09/09/19 09:15 AM (4 years, 4 months ago) |
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My second try at PE, is that sub too wet? Have it in fruiting conditions and turned the fan on to try n dry it out a bit. Figured since the fruit was growing on the outer edge that isn’t as wet, that maybe it was too wet. Figured I’d get ur guys opinion. Thanks!
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toss a casing on that. can be as simple as verm out of the bag
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: tryptkaloids]
#26177447 - 09/09/19 10:28 AM (4 years, 4 months ago) |
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tryptkaloids said: Heavy bacterial infection
What about the presentation makes you think bacteria? I’m not asking to argue- I want your knowledge!
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Shroomyshroom82
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: mushboy]
#26177517 - 09/09/19 10:58 AM (4 years, 4 months ago) |
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mushboy said: toss a casing on that. can be as simple as verm out of the bag
Yeah? Just to absorb some of that moisture? I’ll try that. I used LotKids casing tek on it and after a few days it had water droplets like that and they never went away
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Starting my first grow, and just want to make sure; with Bod's easy AF, do I need to birth and soak the cakes before fruiting, or can i just leave them in the jars and replace the layer of dry verm and mist?
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: mcnar]
#26178104 - 09/09/19 04:59 PM (4 years, 4 months ago) |
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Cthulhu23 said:
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tryptkaloids said: Heavy bacterial infection
What about the presentation makes you think bacteria? I’m not asking to argue- I want your knowledge!
To save ya the suspense of waiting for a reply I'll add what I see at first glance.
Mycelium is thick and looks like ice cream. Mycelium looks like it is reaching for the sky as if it's trying to run away and it looks like you have plenty of free air exchange so it's obviously not reaching for air. How it should & shouldn't look - NEW CULTIVATORS GUIDE You mentioned your jar colonized in a week which is a pretty bad sign if not using a LC.
I also noticed you have your tub taped or spray painted black on the bottom. There is no need for that, it wont prevent side pins on the first flush. Maintain proper surface conditions by having your tub dialed in prevents side pins most of the time. A liner helps as well but I personally hate them but do use em on some grows that always tend to side pin regardless. I honestly prefer to see the sides, mainly because if you get metabolites, indicating a bacterial infection, you'll see the yellow spots on the underside after the first week.
Nice rug by the way. 
We also don't have enough information on your preparation but I assume you put a spore syringe right to grain instead of on agar first. That is most likely the culprit or poor sterile tek. Spore syringes are not always clean and should never be assumed as such. I also do not think it is going to fruit, it may mat then get some side pins but that is a big maybe. You should start a new run and look into making agar with Pastywhyte's Easy Agar Tek.
Agar makes a whole world of difference and is easier than it appears to be, especially the method in the link above for people that are just starting with little investment. Don't be discouraged, I know it sucks to spend the waiting game to find out if it is a bust in the end. That is why putting spores to agar first saves a lot of heart ache and wasted time. Patience, persistence and determination is the key to success in this hobby.
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: R.I.P.Zappa]
#26178175 - 09/09/19 05:29 PM (4 years, 4 months ago) |
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Plates are fun. Do yourself a favor and get some powdered malt extract off amazon or something. That way the mix is fairly consistant.
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Feasoghorm]
#26178367 - 09/09/19 06:49 PM (4 years, 4 months ago) |
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I remember a certain someone having a plate just like this and trying to decide where to transfer from. What did you end up doing?
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: rickyswamps]
#26178388 - 09/09/19 06:56 PM (4 years, 4 months ago) |
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I like that sector at 7 oclock
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: rickyswamps]
#26178389 - 09/09/19 06:57 PM (4 years, 4 months ago) |
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Ricky I would do both homie. Take from the leading edge. But also take one from the slower section incase you loose desirable traits. That's what I'm doing. Ans I'm just gonna grow both out.
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: ThePoopTree]
#26178519 - 09/09/19 08:05 PM (4 years, 4 months ago) |
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GypsyCurse said: Caps - I thnk we was jst hypotheticing. And what about the tissue sample? It's prolly contamed.
It likely contains genetic material you're leaving behind...Quote:
ThePoopTree said: RW sure is cool looking...
I wonder, do spore vendors pay out for stuff like that?
This is heracy... no one should be paying...
Start over there V dude... hang on to it, but don't hold your breath with it...
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Vulderius]
#26178530 - 09/09/19 08:09 PM (4 years, 4 months ago) |
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Vulderius said: I think I overmisted after transferring, I also transferred the jars, which looked quite healthy under not the best conditions in my garage to the bulk substrate. Any recommendations for the next time? I have another spore solution from that place I'm clearly not supposed to mention
Don't overmist? Mixing the spawn to the bulk substrate is just called spawning to bulk... or simply "spawning"
Transferring more refers to culture work on agar, and spawn production: as in A2G or G2G transfers
Also, read the site rules and remove the vendors name frpm ypur post...
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Caps McGee]
#26178747 - 09/09/19 10:16 PM (4 years, 4 months ago) |
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Caps McGee said: Agar pin clone, yes... I think like you said, taking the trunk of the split likely carries with it ALL genetics expressed further from that point, and that transfering from there rather than the leading edge would result in a wider array of genetics than said leading edge transfer: certainly... I'm just trying to figure out the utility of preserving less than ideal genetics, when one of the major purposes of transfering (outside of cleaning the culture)is the isolation of better performing genetics? I'm having a problem understanding what the purpose of trying to keep a clone as genetically variant as possible would be: just continue to run MS 
An isolate and a clone are nowhere near the same thing guys... a clone from an MS fruit will still have likely hundreds, potentially even THOUSANDS of individual strain genetics... I understand the nature of the exercise, not it's utility
The utility is that the clone culture could potentially perform better than any further transfers/isolations. Now I've never really heard of this, but I have heard of mixed cultures performng better than any isolate from the culture, so it's not unreasonable. Again I'm just speaking hypothetically hear, from the viewpoint of a curious amatuer mycologist. It's easy to understand how you perfectly propogate an isolated culture, but I realized I really had no idea how I'd perfectly propogate a mixed bag culture othert than by dropping an entire petri.. Or maybe doing an LC where everything gets shook/blended together.. IDK. And even then I'm notsure if that'd do it because it'd just continue to potentially sector, form substrains, etc.. Anyway, I just realized I didn't understand and wanted to talk about it to clear it up. I think realistically it's like the other person said awhile ago and it's just a gray area for now.
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: junk_f00d]
#26178961 - 09/10/19 02:36 AM (4 years, 4 months ago) |
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Maintain proper surface conditions by having your tub dialed in prevents side pins most of the time.
As someone new to tubs and shoeboxes and all that, can I just say how much this phrase isn't helpful? It's like teaching someone to draw an owl:
Ok, first draw a circle.
Now, draw the rest of the fucking owl.
Y'all do that a LOT.
Here's what I run into. My surface conditions are stellar- perfect "misty morning dew" look. But the substrate always shrinks a bit, and the pins like that tiny little gap even better.
So how the hell do you prevent the moisture from collecting in the gaps, which inevitably open up?
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teladi
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: ThePoopTree]
#26178968 - 09/10/19 02:50 AM (4 years, 4 months ago) |
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How about this: you'll get more pins where you have the better surface conditions.
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: teladi]
#26178980 - 09/10/19 03:06 AM (4 years, 4 months ago) |
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What I'm getting at, though, is that the act of creating better surface conditions on top, leads to creating *even better* surface conditions on the sides.
The only way to compete with how much moisture they're getting there seems to be to saturate the top of the sub to an unhealthy degree...
So whats the magic trick here?
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: ThePoopTree]
#26178982 - 09/10/19 03:08 AM (4 years, 4 months ago) |
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We all get a fewww side pins. IF I get a massive first flush, my sub shrink about 1/2 an inch. Along that edge I get get maybe 15 side pins that always abort. The rest of the flush is fine. I cant imagine you’re getting more than that?
Also, idk what kind of tubs you’re using, but trying unmodified tubs really helped me to get a handle on proper surface conditions. Play with the gasket, flip the lid, all that. youll figure it out, but it’s an I imposible thing to explain over the internet
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: ThePoopTree]
#26179023 - 09/10/19 03:56 AM (4 years, 4 months ago) |
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ThePoopTree said: What I'm getting at, though, is that the act of creating better surface conditions on top, leads to creating *even better* surface conditions on the sides.
The only way to compete with how much moisture they're getting there seems to be to saturate the top of the sub to an unhealthy degree...
So whats the magic trick here?
It's exactly like you said: drawing an owl.
If everyone had identical growing conditions there would be one tek. But we don't. And trying to find the optimal set of tweaks for your circumstances require you to try drawing the owl as you think it should look. Then trying something different.
Getting those ideal surface conditions is more of an art, unless you can completely control everything.
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: teladi]
#26179043 - 09/10/19 04:21 AM (4 years, 4 months ago) |
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ThePoopTree said: What I'm getting at, though, is that the act of creating better surface conditions on top, leads to creating *even better* surface conditions on the sides.
The only way to compete with how much moisture they're getting there seems to be to saturate the top of the sub to an unhealthy degree...
So whats the magic trick here?
It has so many factors involved, i.e. cleanliness of spawn, water content of substrate, room temp, ect
The only way to learn thes personal grow levels is to grow yourself to get experience. People can only advise you on their experience.
So getting you tub dialled into the conditions as they present themselves to you can only be done by trial and error. So you can play with spawn:sub ratio level, water content and temps ect but only u can do that.
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Edmunter]
#26179062 - 09/10/19 04:43 AM (4 years, 4 months ago) |
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I think your getting major shrinkage pre first flush because your substrate is under field capacity.
Just keep practicing proper surface conditions, and maybe be a little more precise when. Hydrstig your coir.
Should help. But honestly we all get side pins eventually. It's just practice
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