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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Caps McGee]
    #26169825 - 09/04/19 10:52 PM (4 years, 4 months ago)

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I've seen penicillum grow on leftover bucket tek coir closed for 2 weeks... sporeload is a  real factor...




i agree, still , very contam proof , right?


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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: dmppb]
    #26169853 - 09/04/19 11:26 PM (4 years, 4 months ago)

Ill go as far as  FAIRLY


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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Caps McGee]
    #26169863 - 09/04/19 11:35 PM (4 years, 4 months ago)

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I've seen penicillum grow on leftover bucket tek coir closed for 2 weeks... sporeload is a  real factor...




coir is weird man.

i left this wooden handled trowel inside my bucket tekked coir for weeks

the handle molded but the coir didnt


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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: dmppb]
    #26169945 - 09/05/19 02:02 AM (4 years, 4 months ago)

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sterilizing or pasteurizing coco makes no sense cause there is no biological activity in it , it's like pasteurizing a rock , si ?

when coco contams , it's your spawn , what else? considering you left it o rot and it didn't.

/quote]1. no, coir is actually nutritious unlike verm which is actually the mineral mikah. 2. No, every brick has a different sporeload, consistency of coir is vast and some come,with seeds


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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: tryptkaloids]
    #26170122 - 09/05/19 06:56 AM (4 years, 4 months ago)

I’ve never had coir mold, but it sure AF grew some bacteria.  Bucket tek coir left alone and closed for ...I dunno, a month or two?  Smelled like rotten eggs.  I still used it.  Shrooms came out fine.


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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Cthulhu23]
    #26170299 - 09/05/19 09:35 AM (4 years, 4 months ago)

Coir contamination depends on hydration, sporeload, and impurities. We have occasionally had seeds sprout from coir so occasionally there is some contaminants that contain nutritional value. Couple these impurities with enough water and spores and you get mold. I have had bacterial coir from overhydration and enough time allowed for growth. Similarly I have had mold develop on coir. It happens, but if you manage your work appropriately then you should never have a real problem.


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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: tryptkaloids]
    #26170366 - 09/05/19 10:25 AM (4 years, 4 months ago)

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sterilizing or pasteurizing coco makes no sense cause there is no biological activity in it , it's like pasteurizing a rock , si ?

when coco contams , it's your spawn , what else? considering you left it o rot and it didn't.

/quote]1. no, coir is actually nutritious unlike verm which is actually the mineral mikah. 2. No, every brick has a different sporeload, consistency of coir is vast and some come,with seeds




i don't know about coco being nutritious ; what nutrients you think coco has ? 
it really doesn't show in any experiments i've made like putting it in dishes before and after cooking , leaving tubs with out spawning them just to see what happens, after some failed attempts to get it to contam by itself , i feel safe saying it's fairly tough on contams.  :wink:

i feel we're reaching common ground here ,

also , i guess it varies so much in everything cause of the manufacturing conditions , i'm thinking the facility is not clean and they don't care.


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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: dmppb]
    #26170393 - 09/05/19 10:46 AM (4 years, 4 months ago)

Personally I did not know. Soo here is what good old Google has to say.

Coir possesses significant amounts of natural potassium (K) and phosphorus (P). It also contains trace amounts of nitrogen (N), calcium (Ca), magnesium (Mg), boron (B), chlorine (Cl), copper (Cu), iron (Fe), manganese (Mn), molybdenum (Mo) and zinc (Zn)

Trichoderma is a naturally occurring fungus in coco peat; it works in symbiosis with plant roots to protect them from pathogenic fungi such as Pythium. It is not present in sterilised coco peat.

I found this quite interesting.


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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: CactiChris]
    #26170475 - 09/05/19 11:40 AM (4 years, 4 months ago)

@dmppb That's the only reason i can think of after having batted this around a while and having to argue that yes indeed my(and other's) coir molded on it's own until changing brands in some circumstances.

A co is basically taking scraps and handling it however they choose to, seems easy enough more laxed quality control with have more "other stuff" slipping into their coir, or a source that's leaving other refuse in with the husks. Not a big deal if you intend to use for plants. Whether it's leaves, hay, seeds, interior of coconut, whatever; all those things are capable of supporting molds if in large enough amounts.


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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Cthulhu23]
    #26170523 - 09/05/19 12:07 PM (4 years, 4 months ago)

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I’ve never had coir mold, but it sure AF grew some bacteria.  Bucket tek coir left alone and closed for ...I dunno, a month or two?  Smelled like rotten eggs.  I still used it.  Shrooms came out fine.




in your place, i'd toss it. the rotten eggs smell is hydrogen sulfide produced by anaerobic decomposition. by itself, hydrogen sulfide is toxic. but the critters that produced it can kill you dead. might not be likely, but it's much less not-likely if you stir the kettle, so to speak. toss it and make more.


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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: J. Jack Flash]
    #26170905 - 09/05/19 03:10 PM (4 years, 4 months ago)

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I’ve never had coir mold, but it sure AF grew some bacteria.  Bucket tek coir left alone and closed for ...I dunno, a month or two?  Smelled like rotten eggs.  I still used it.  Shrooms came out fine.




in your place, i'd toss it. the rotten eggs smell is hydrogen sulfide produced by anaerobic decomposition. by itself, hydrogen sulfide is toxic. but the critters that produced it can kill you dead. might not be likely, but it's much less not-likely if you stir the kettle, so to speak. toss it and make more.




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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: LtLurker]
    #26171443 - 09/05/19 08:36 PM (4 years, 4 months ago)

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@dmppb That's the only reason i can think of after having batted this around a while and having to argue that yes indeed my(and other's) coir molded on it's own until changing brands in some circumstances.

A co is basically taking scraps and handling it however they choose to, seems easy enough more laxed quality control with have more "other stuff" slipping into their coir, or a source that's leaving other refuse in with the husks. Not a big deal if you intend to use for plants. Whether it's leaves, hay, seeds, interior of coconut, whatever; all those things are capable of supporting molds if in large enough amounts.




i agree , coco companies do not have a strict control on spores and other stuff going into their bricks, i mean , i'm thinking this is scrap from coco water companies or whatever and is treated as garbage before going into brick making process

i think i read some debate here before about coco for plants vs coco for reptiles ; being the coco for reptiles the best quality , i have always used zoo med eco earth and never had problems to think twice about it

and so yeah being not 100% contam proof we boil the water and bucket tek to kill bacteria and send spores to a deep sleep , and should be enough , si ?

good day dudes !


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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: dmppb]
    #26171526 - 09/05/19 09:48 PM (4 years, 4 months ago)

I've ran about 10 different cube clones and all have been disappointing cultures.  Either they don't produce or have weird fruits and are always small.  My MS grows have always produced better canopies with ease.  I generally pick big fruits from clusters to clone.

How have y'all found winners that stand out from an MS run?


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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: rickyswamps]
    #26171531 - 09/05/19 09:51 PM (4 years, 4 months ago)

My bet is it's a conditions problem


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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: rickyswamps]
    #26171538 - 09/05/19 09:53 PM (4 years, 4 months ago)

I found some bioluminescent mycena growing in my yard today. I was thinking of taking some prints just to have in case anyone was interested. They have white spores. What is the preferred paper / material to use?

Oh yeah, and if anyone wants a print Pm me your Addy and I'll have it on the way. It's the least I could do for yall, I'm not asking for anything in return.


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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: tryptkaloids]
    #26171544 - 09/05/19 09:57 PM (4 years, 4 months ago)

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My bet is it's a conditions problem



I guarantee it... 10 different clones?
:justno:
No way your luck is that bad... I'd bet on excess moisture ... classic newb move
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vinnie boombotz said:
I found some bioluminescent mycena growing in my yard today. I was thinking of taking some prints just to have in case anyone was interested. They have white spores. What is the preferred paper / material to use?

Oh yeah, and if anyone wants a print Pm me your Addy and I'll have it on the way. It's the least I could do for yall, I'm not asking for anything in return.



:cop:


Edited by Caps McGee (09/05/19 10:02 PM)


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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Caps McGee]
    #26171616 - 09/05/19 11:10 PM (4 years, 4 months ago)

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tryptkaloids said:
My bet is it's a conditions problem



I guarantee it... 10 different clones?
:justno:
No way your luck is that bad... I'd bet on excess moisture ... classic newb move
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vinnie boombotz said:
I found some bioluminescent mycena growing in my yard today. I was thinking of taking some prints just to have in case anyone was interested. They have white spores. What is the preferred paper / material to use?

Oh yeah, and if anyone wants a print Pm me your Addy and I'll have it on the way. It's the least I could do for yall, I'm not asking for anything in return.



:cop:





What is you method of cloning Caps?  how many, how many transfers till use, time span expected from clone to fruit?


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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Caps McGee]
    #26171889 - 09/06/19 06:01 AM (4 years, 4 months ago)

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My bet is it's a conditions problem



I guarantee it... 10 different clones?
:justno:
No way your luck is that bad... I'd bet on excess moisture ... classic newb move




How would you come to that conclusion?  The clones are grown in the same conditions as MS tubs.  The clones yield, just not as good as the MS tubs.  Not my first go at this. 

Was looking for constructive advice instead of "classic newb move."


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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: rickyswamps]
    #26171905 - 09/06/19 06:16 AM (4 years, 4 months ago)

The weird small fruits or no fruits part. How much water are you hydrating your coir with? Got any pics?


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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Failboat]
    #26171911 - 09/06/19 06:22 AM (4 years, 4 months ago)

They all are different.  Some produce a lot of mutants, others will have a lots of aborts.  Others have small fruit size. 

Coir is hydrated to field capacity.

In people's experience, do you clones do better most the time?


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