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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: tryptkaloids]
#26169017 - 09/04/19 03:47 PM (4 years, 4 months ago) |
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pasteurization but not sterilization I wouldn't think. You would have to maintain longer and hotter.
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: tryptkaloids]
#26169019 - 09/04/19 03:47 PM (4 years, 4 months ago) |
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but thats what I mean does it matter?
Ive been using Mudas (TheGeezas) bucket tek but been hearing rumours its not needed with coir.
Edited by Edmunter (09/04/19 03:50 PM)
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Edmunter]
#26169028 - 09/04/19 03:53 PM (4 years, 4 months ago) |
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There's a difference bewtweeen sterilizing and pasteurizing for sure.
As it applies to coir, no it doesn't really matter what you do to it(most of the time), plenty cases of it working either way, probably plenty under pasteurized as well.
It matters more if working with a more organic bulk like poop, which you would want to pasteurize well and not sterilize.
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: LtLurker]
#26169055 - 09/04/19 04:10 PM (4 years, 4 months ago) |
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Quote:
LtLurker said: There's a difference bewtweeen sterilizing and pasteurizing for sure.
As it applies to coir, no it doesn't really matter what you do to it(most of the time), plenty cases of it working either way, probably plenty under pasteurized as well.
It matters more if working with a more organic bulk like poop, which you would want to pasteurize well and not sterilize.
Yep, the question was only about coir
Im only trying to get a consensus of if it matters. If so how much?
Id love to just chuck a load of boiling water in and crack on.
But if anyone knows why that doesnt work and why please tell.
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Edmunter]
#26169060 - 09/04/19 04:13 PM (4 years, 4 months ago) |
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Edmunter]
#26169076 - 09/04/19 04:21 PM (4 years, 4 months ago) |
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Well coir is pretty contam resistant all on its own. Just think about this, it's meant to be used as a substrate in terrariums for your tropical lizards to shit all over. Ever own one? You can go a month without changing that shit and it still won't be moldy (please treat pets better than that tho, just saying).
It doesn't matter if it's bucket Tek, sterilized, or pasteurized... I think it can just simply be hydrated and all works just fine.
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Stipe-n Cap]
#26169082 - 09/04/19 04:23 PM (4 years, 4 months ago) |
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Im not sure what made you think it doesn't work. You can make coir work without heat, i do it all the time for shoeboxes
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Stipe-n Cap]
#26169090 - 09/04/19 04:24 PM (4 years, 4 months ago) |
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Yea that's what everyone is trying to say, and why bucket tek is the only "coir tek" in the stickied tek list as far as how to prep it. Fine 99% of the time.
In rare circumstances, coir batches suck and people have had contam issues(troubleshoot by leaving just coir out for a week or two), but again it's pretty rare, changing coir brands will fix this.
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: LtLurker]
#26169147 - 09/04/19 04:53 PM (4 years, 4 months ago) |
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Most of the time it's the spawn not the coir
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: tryptkaloids]
#26169371 - 09/04/19 06:55 PM (4 years, 4 months ago) |
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Yup, that's why I added the little troubleshoot notation and stressed rarity.
Figured if we gonna go this many comments, why not include it.
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: LtLurker]
#26169390 - 09/04/19 07:05 PM (4 years, 4 months ago) |
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Bucket tek is partial pasteurization... sterilizing the coir actually renders it more susceptible to contamination... there are guys hydrating with hot tap water only... I've been using bk straight from the bag... awesome! (Shout out to my boy bigsurmoon for the write up, and pushing me through my resistance lol...
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Caps McGee]
#26169410 - 09/04/19 07:14 PM (4 years, 4 months ago) |
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Apparently good coir is so anti microbe, it can even be sterilized and still work. I just learned that a couple weeks back when mushboy corrected me and showed me a thread from a couple years back of people full on sterilizing coir for bulk np.
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: LtLurker]
#26169422 - 09/04/19 07:18 PM (4 years, 4 months ago) |
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All I know is I boiled it twice, both triched... granted, correlation not necessarily causation but it was enough for me to go back to patiently waiting on bucket tek...
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Caps McGee]
#26169451 - 09/04/19 07:29 PM (4 years, 4 months ago) |
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So I have like 5 rolls of micropore tape from running pasty plates. I think I'll be sticking with pouring plates from here on out just cause I love the visibility and the room. My question is can I use it to wrap my plates the same way I use cling-wrap/parafilm or should I just put it in the medicine cabinet with the gauze pads for cuts and scrapes?
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Caps McGee] 2
#26169454 - 09/04/19 07:29 PM (4 years, 4 months ago) |
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Quote:
Caps McGee said: sterilizing the coir actually renders it more susceptible to contamination...
No it doesnt.
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: mushboy]
#26169695 - 09/04/19 09:12 PM (4 years, 4 months ago) |
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Seems as if IME... again, correlation not necessarily causation... BPH, it worx, but is a PITA to unwrap IME... cheap tape might be different? Not sure what you working with...
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Caps McGee]
#26169787 - 09/04/19 10:22 PM (4 years, 4 months ago) |
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How important is isolating to a mono spore when growing PE or APE or A+ I didn't know about how isolating a strain can help with better colonization and yeilds, I heard apparently PE needs to be isolated to avoid blobs? I did ms syringe on agar, then to jars, then to bags of 8 cups. I have each doing g2g right now with my WBS jars. The A+ fully colonized. The APE looks full too. But my 2 PE bags seem to stop colonizing. Mycelium doesn't look rhizomorphic rather, looks chunky? I shook up one of the PE bags this morning to see if it will colonize the entire thing. The mycelium was very hard, but broke up nicely...Here's some pics. There's no contams or bad smells.

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Clean culture ALL you need right now... pick a fruit to clone... this will narrow genetics substantially, but not completely... performance speaks for itself
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so , about coco coir
if you wanna know for sure how contam proof is your coco , do this , hydrated with tap water and don't pasturize or anything , and leave it in the worst conditions possible , no fae , high temps and wait for it to mold , most likely it won't , ever.
sterilizing or pasteurizing coco makes no sense cause there is no biological activity in it , it's like pasteurizing a rock , si ?
when coco contams , it's your spawn , what else? considering you left it o rot and it didn't.
we boil the water to cook the coco cause it's easier for mycelium to eat it when it's cooked, also kills bacteria that could eventually fight with your mycelium given the proper conditions for it while colonizing
coco is like a transport for mycelium and will reflect results upon the quality of your genetics and spawn.
my two cents . let me know if i'm mistaken
also , i bucket tek and have not seen trich before 3rd or 4th flush if ever , since i started ; it fucking works.
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: dmppb]
#26169817 - 09/04/19 10:48 PM (4 years, 4 months ago) |
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I've seen penicillum grow on leftover bucket tek coir closed for 2 weeks... sporeload is a real factor...
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