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Crackatoa
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Bazookatooth]
#26151158 - 08/24/19 05:36 PM (4 years, 5 months ago) |
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you don't need to pasteurize coir, is it just coir?
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Bazookatooth
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Crackatoa]
#26151389 - 08/24/19 08:29 PM (4 years, 5 months ago) |
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Crackatoa said: you don't need to pasteurize coir, is it just coir?
What do you mean you dont have to pasteurize coir? I'm a little dated on my methods but I thought coir had to be pasteurized for 45 minutes. It's just coir/verm
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dmppb
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Bazookatooth]
#26151412 - 08/24/19 08:43 PM (4 years, 5 months ago) |
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Bazookatooth said:
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Crackatoa said: you don't need to pasteurize coir, is it just coir?
What do you mean you dont have to pasteurize coir? I'm a little dated on my methods but I thought coir had to be pasteurized for 45 minutes. It's just coir/verm
yeah , nah
no biological activity to be slowed down or killed in coco , we put boiling water in coir because it works better cooked
prove it to yourself , hydrate some coir with regular not hot water put in some bad conditions and wait for it to contam , it won't
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: dmppb]
#26151456 - 08/24/19 09:09 PM (4 years, 5 months ago) |
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'Bad conditions' is vague and includes minor contam/poor spawn in my opinion. It all Depends on the coir. Quality control is very inconsistent. Heated coir is best for sure because it aids digestion
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dmppb
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: tryptkaloids]
#26151537 - 08/24/19 10:07 PM (4 years, 5 months ago) |
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tryptkaloids said: 'Bad conditions' is vague and includes minor contam/poor spawn in my opinion. It all Depends on the coir. Quality control is very inconsistent. Heated coir is best for sure because it aids digestion
agreed on the conditions , and this can clear things up a bit more on contamination origin
example : IF you hydrate coco with unboiled water put it in a tub with no fae for two weeks ( bad conditions ) but not spawning it , just the coco , and it doesn't contam , this tells us that when contams apear in our tubs , our grains are to blame , what else? , amaright?
clean spawn is the game , that is what it's all about imo , nothing goes on with out it 
coco varies a lot in everything , weight texture and overall quality , but it should be cooked with boiling water and does not requiere proper pasteurization , and i boil the shit out of the water i use to hydrate cause you know tap water is full of nasties
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: dmppb]
#26151583 - 08/24/19 10:46 PM (4 years, 5 months ago) |
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Bottom line is coco doesn't need heat, and spawn will make or break a pure coir grow more than proper pasteurization Will. If coir sits hydrated I think it's best to pasteurize, but that's just because i don't trust the genetic diversity in my house
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dmppb
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: tryptkaloids]
#26151596 - 08/24/19 10:54 PM (4 years, 5 months ago) |
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tryptkaloids said: Bottom line is coco doesn't need heat, and spawn will make or break a pure coir grow more than proper pasteurization Will. If coir sits hydrated I think it's best to pasteurize, but that's just because i don't trust the genetic diversity in my house
but , i'm under the impression that myc likes the coco better when cooked with hot water , no ?
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: dmppb]
#26151633 - 08/24/19 11:30 PM (4 years, 5 months ago) |
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Yes it helps, but hasn't been proven neccesary, for a minute I didnt bother boiling water for a shoebox of coir
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: dmppb]
#26151656 - 08/24/19 11:55 PM (4 years, 5 months ago) |
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dmppb said:
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tryptkaloids said: 'Bad conditions' is vague and includes minor contam/poor spawn in my opinion. It all Depends on the coir. Quality control is very inconsistent. Heated coir is best for sure because it aids digestion
agreed on the conditions , and this can clear things up a bit more on contamination origin
example : IF you hydrate coco with unboiled water put it in a tub with no fae for two weeks ( bad conditions ) but not spawning it , just the coco , and it doesn't contam , this tells us that when contams apear in our tubs , our grains are to blame , what else? , amaright?
clean spawn is the game , that is what it's all about imo , nothing goes on with out it 
coco varies a lot in everything , weight texture and overall quality , but it should be cooked with boiling water and does not requiere proper pasteurization , and i boil the shit out of the water i use to hydrate cause you know tap water is full of nasties
No where in America is tap water full of nasties besides maybe flint Michigan. Some of the worst water reports that some sites use as justification that tap water is bad cite these records saying look there's rocket fuel. At parts per billion levels lol.
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: bodhisatta]
#26152139 - 08/25/19 09:32 AM (4 years, 5 months ago) |
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bodhisatta said:
No where in America is tap water full of nasties besides maybe flint Michigan. Some of the worst water reports that some sites use as justification that tap water is bad cite these records saying look there's rocket fuel. At parts per billion levels lol.
It drives me nuts when people talk about tap water as though it were unsanitary. This mostly comes into view when I hear people bitch about drinking unfiltered water. ( I live in a trendy city full of entitled fucks and hear this a lot) Tap water is not full of contams, biological or otherwise, with the few exceptions like flint and place with aged or compromised treatment systems.
HOWEVER, the risk of introducing contam through tap water is the faucet, or more specifically the aerator in the faucet. Minerals and organics can get built up on the faucet providing food for bio contam to grow and then be carried into your sub. This is all one big maybe.... There is no guarantee this will or will not cause an issue. I always boil it but that is not to say that you must. In any event, if the contam are nonbiological (i.e. heavy metals, rocket fuel [also, beware of studies/articles using scare tactics. industrial applications doesn't make a chemical or compound bad]) both boiling and pasteurizing will be ineffective at removing them.
OK, sorry, kinda got off on a tangent rant there for a bit. The point is, we have reached a point in human civil evolution where we have clean potable water on hand at all times and there is no reason to think it is not good enough for you, but I still boil my water for making subs.
Side note: rocket fuel can be made with sugar and potassium nitrate
Edited by Randalf the Grey (08/25/19 09:36 AM)
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mushboy
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Water even comes in a can now
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Failboat
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I do remember hearing recently in an article that there is some microbe that actually thrives in our chlorinated water. I wouldn't worry about it though as nobody really gets afflictions from consuming however little there is. I personally chose not to drink shitty tap water when there is a pleasing alternative. I have lived in a city where turning the faucet smelled like walking into a pool. In the country our water is softened and taste bleck to me. If i wanna stay on the thrifty side I can get water for aboit $2/3.15gal in .5L bottles. I dislike the plastic waste, we recylce, but I drink more water and am more healthy when I chose this option. As for myc, use what is practical and functional.
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Failboat]
#26152191 - 08/25/19 10:10 AM (4 years, 5 months ago) |
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Ya our subterranean infrastructure is absolute shite. There are definitely more places out there like flint that just haven't been exposed yet. Yes potable water on tap is awesome and don't get me wrong I appreciate what it takes and what we have, but it still isn't optimal and if I have a choice, I'll choose the better option.
Alternatively, bottled water is riddled with microplastics and what not and most companies re add the kinds of minerals that you don't necessarily want anyway. Gotta choose your battles I guess
For mushrooms tap is fine in my experience but I know a few cultivators who swear that switching to RO or distilled water changed their game entirely. Respectable cultivators too, not noobs in the least
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: natedawgnow]
#26152200 - 08/25/19 10:17 AM (4 years, 5 months ago) |
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Nestle water has the most plastic in it. I stick to spring water for drinking. I ought to get back to using more RO for everything else. IDK why they didn't install one in this custom built brand new house, but I wasn't consulted. Some people still have lead pipes.
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Failboat]
#26152220 - 08/25/19 10:33 AM (4 years, 5 months ago) |
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Those with flow hoods, what are you using to elevate your plates if you're working table surface isn't in the laminar flow?
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: rickyswamps]
#26152225 - 08/25/19 10:35 AM (4 years, 5 months ago) |
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You can get a multipack of backing racks pretty cheap from online or in store.
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: rickyswamps]
#26152226 - 08/25/19 10:35 AM (4 years, 5 months ago) |
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A rack.
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: bodhisatta]
#26152305 - 08/25/19 11:32 AM (4 years, 5 months ago) |
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I got about 5 shoeboxes that were done way too wet, theyre on week 5 and like 95-98% colonized.. should I increase FAE and see what happens?
There was also some yellow and some pink liquid on the surface are those metabolites?
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: inorganik]
#26152307 - 08/25/19 11:34 AM (4 years, 5 months ago) |
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Hard to know without pictures
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: inorganik]
#26152308 - 08/25/19 11:34 AM (4 years, 5 months ago) |
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Pics.
Bright colors usually means contamination.
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