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van hatton
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I like coir with cold water added
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ShaperDreaming
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FiatFirmamentum said: For edible species, manure and compost contain bacteria that stimulate pinning. If your species require hpoo, it's likely the same and it wouldn't fruit from sterilised hpoo.
Can you cite your information on this? I've not seen this information before, and it goes counter to what I've read for many teks related to prepping poo based substrate.
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Sherlock Shrooms
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Sherlock Shrooms said: I can't see any wetspot.
Wet spots usually indicate bacteria. Mold is super hard to spot pre-sporing. Sometimes you can just see different sectors. If it's meshed in... Super hard to tell.
Have you read these threads? They're super helpful when trying to ID your contaminations and also just knowing what to look for in general:
Recognizing and dealing with contamination How it should & shouldn't look - NEW CULTIVATORS GUIDE
Thanks. I don't think its bacteria because I don't see any wetspots and the tub that contamed showed it in 3 days, must of been mold in the spawn jar, which makes me wonder if its mold in every spawn jar or just a random one here or there. The other tubs are colonizing fine with rhizos poking up through the surface and no smells or discernable heat coming off the sub. I'm hoping they go well. I have read those threads before, they seemed to show more obvious examples whereas what I have is tougher to discern. I'll read through them again and see if I missed or forgot some stuff.
If they have meshed in mold, and I see some tubs make it and some do not, do you think upping the spawn count would give them better odds?
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FiatFirmamentum
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ShaperDreaming said:
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FiatFirmamentum said: For edible species, manure and compost contain bacteria that stimulate pinning. If your species require hpoo, it's likely the same and it wouldn't fruit from sterilised hpoo.
Can you cite your information on this? I've not seen this information before, and it goes counter to what I've read for many teks related to prepping poo based substrate.
I have never grown anything on hpoo, but as far as I know, pasteurization, not sterilization is recommended for hpoo.
On fruting promoting bacteria - it's almost required for Agaricus species. There is some research on Bacillus speeding up mycelial colonization by oyster mushrooms. I suspect that's the case for most of mushrooms that require hpoo/compost for fruiting - it's not some kind of special chemical there, but living bacteria of certain species/
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dmppb
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long ago i saw some people using a small steam generator to warm up growrooms
does anybody remember something like this ? the name of that little brown machine ?
if not , what's a good way to warm a up a growroom
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: dmppb]
#26101298 - 07/10/19 10:50 PM (4 years, 6 months ago) |
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Digital space heater
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Caps McGee
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Failboat]
#26101336 - 07/10/19 11:25 PM (4 years, 6 months ago) |
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Sherlock, higher spawn ratio, and dryer field capacity both can help with bacterial issues: which I postulate to be the root of even mold issues... I don't feel otherwise healthy culture would have trouble with most competitors: especially if clean on agar prior to innoculating grain... prep your grain dryer also, which should help mitigate the development of bacteria initially, and long before reaching substrate
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Caps McGee]
#26101387 - 07/11/19 12:09 AM (4 years, 6 months ago) |
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Thanks Caps, very helpful
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I'm here for you bud!
Well, and the rest of these fuckers too
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Caps McGee]
#26101762 - 07/11/19 08:20 AM (4 years, 6 months ago) |
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POTDT transfer:
I get it... what species were they you said? (If you said) and I was responding to a pm I recieved for "taking offense" to being corrected... I wasn't taking offense, I was trying to be funny... I was told cyanoxantha in the MH&I forum this time last year: along with "Russula is a pretty safe bet as many are edible, and none are poisonous"... which I took at face value because it was MH&I, and the post went unchecked/not corrected... we all know what happens when we assume: sometimes even when we believe our assumptions to be safe... you say there are 2 species? All were in the same spot, only spot I found them yesterday
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Caps McGee]
#26101823 - 07/11/19 08:55 AM (4 years, 6 months ago) |
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Yo caps didnāt you say you were making some gourmet teks? I canāt seem to find any. I mean obviously I know basics from cube cultivation but as far as what substrate and what to spawn stuff like oysters, relishing and so on it seems like Iām missing it. I looked in the proper section just no info for what I was trying to find.
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Legend21]
#26101831 - 07/11/19 09:01 AM (4 years, 6 months ago) |
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I would try some gourmets on coir out of convenience. I did a couple monotubs of King Oysters cloned from the store and I grew coral reefs from them by keeping them in the cold darkness of the utility closet during the summer when the AC chills it colder than the house. I picked up some HWFP, oak, for wood lovers, but I froze all my cultures to death
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Failboat] 1
#26101862 - 07/11/19 09:25 AM (4 years, 6 months ago) |
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Ended up with 76.3 grams from 2 qt of spawn, definitely a new personal record.
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Failboat]
#26101868 - 07/11/19 09:29 AM (4 years, 6 months ago) |
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Quirkmeister92 said: I would try some gourmets on coir out of convenience. I did a couple monotubs of King Oysters cloned from the store and I grew coral reefs from them by keeping them in the cold darkness of the utility closet during the summer when the AC chills it colder than the house. I picked up some HWFP, oak, for wood lovers, but I froze all my cultures to death
I guess I could try that. But Iām just talking about in general I guess like I see most people do oysters in bags the only thing I could find was RRs straw logs from years ago. I guess I just have to keep digging
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Legend21]
#26101907 - 07/11/19 09:54 AM (4 years, 6 months ago) |
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I've been using unsupplemented, natural sawdust and throwing a 1/3 gallon of colonized spawn to them (gallon bags split to 3 blocks)... Then reusing the blocks after they quit producing and tam out... About to have several recycled blocks ready for fruiting for the first big test, but the first 2 are pinning and colonized beautifully! The second cycle blocks are sterilized as if they were new dust, and inoculated using only a pint master: as the grain remnants from the first run act as supplementation of sorts... I've tried with both more and less spawn (bags split to 2 and 4 instead of 3) in the fresh blocks, and neither performed as well, as quickly, as the bags split 3 ways... The second run can stand a quart, but wouldn't with shiitake, as excess nutrition can cause mutation quite easily with the species... Hope this to be helpful... I'ts not particularly traditional, as most will use a recipe close to:
-5 cups HWFP -1 qt of bran (wheat is said to be best, but oat works... Likely even whole grains: just for supplementing, and would avoid an additional product needing purchased) -1.25 qts water
I feel as though using unsupplemented sawdust, and opting for more grain spawn likely leaves it MUCH less susceptible to contamination, and I KNOW it's faster colonization vs. inoculating supplemented blocks with less colonized spawn
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van hatton
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Caps McGee]
#26101909 - 07/11/19 09:56 AM (4 years, 6 months ago) |
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Why dont you use masters mix?
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Fun part is figuring out what works best for you
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Caps McGee]
#26102052 - 07/11/19 11:18 AM (4 years, 6 months ago) |
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Caps McGee said: I've been using unsupplemented, natural sawdust and throwing a 1/3 gallon of colonized spawn to them (gallon bags split to 3 blocks)... Then reusing the blocks after they quit producing and tam out... About to have several recycled blocks ready for fruiting for the first big test, but the first 2 are pinning and colonized beautifully! The second cycle blocks are sterilized as if they were new dust, and inoculated using only a pint master: as the grain remnants from the first run act as supplementation of sorts... I've tried with both more and less spawn (bags split to 2 and 4 instead of 3) in the fresh blocks, and neither performed as well, as quickly, as the bags split 3 ways... The second run can stand a quart, but wouldn't with shiitake, as excess nutrition can cause mutation quite easily with the species... Hope this to be helpful... I'ts not particularly traditional, as most will use a recipe close to:
-5 cups HWFP -1 qt of bran (wheat is said to be best, but oat works... Likely even whole grains: just for supplementing, and would avoid an additional product needing purchased) -1.25 qts water
I feel as though using unsupplemented sawdust, and opting for more grain spawn likely leaves it MUCH less susceptible to contamination, and I KNOW it's faster colonization vs. inoculating supplemented blocks with less colonized spawn
But see idk shit about them. So I dont even know what the blocks are. Do people pasteurize then put in bags after? Sterilize it? I need a tek or some links lmao time for me to use that search function.
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Legend21]
#26102059 - 07/11/19 11:20 AM (4 years, 6 months ago) |
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 So I have been watching this LC develop and today I noticed some growth near the top. It's bad, right?
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Failboat]
#26102090 - 07/11/19 11:39 AM (4 years, 6 months ago) |
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Failboat
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Failboat]
#26102093 - 07/11/19 11:41 AM (4 years, 6 months ago) |
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Update on PC: They are requiring me to ship them the lid, at my own expense, before I can recieve a replacement. Fuck Presto...
They also said this;"The "pitting" is actually called galvanic corrosion, and is fairly common. It is a result of interaction between 2 dissimilar metals.
There are 2 ways to prevent or minimize additional pitting. First, use bottled water rather than your water supply. This however, can become costly. the second way to minimize pitting is discussed in the instruction/recipe booklet that came with your canner. Point 1 in the "care and Maintenance" section of the book states " Due to acidic nature of the water supply in some areas, deterioration of the interior surface of the canner body may occur. To minimize this effect, thoroughly scour the inside of the canner body with an abrasive cleanser at least one a year. Do not let water sit in canner after canning is completed, dry thoroughly each time."
Seems the best way to avoid this, aside from bottled water and extra thorough cleaning after each session, is to not use metal lids nor the trivet plate included with the unit.
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