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SunnyDayze
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: bodhisatta]
#26098462 - 07/09/19 03:30 PM (4 years, 6 months ago) |
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Lol Shaper, because the pc dissolves them where the water bath wouldn’t. I take out the rib bones, just the y bones will dissolve. Sorry, way off topic but hey.....
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: SunnyDayze]
#26098464 - 07/09/19 03:31 PM (4 years, 6 months ago) |
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Ok, still not going to can fish. I'll stick to beans and greens, thank you!
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: mushboy]
#26098481 - 07/09/19 03:41 PM (4 years, 6 months ago) |
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mushboy said: heres some wbs porn. all this wbs talk gets me squiggly.
 
  

That is the sexiest WBS ever... I haven't ever used any without corn because I try to not spend more than $5 per 20lbs but surely will get a huge boanr the day I end up picking some up.
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van hatton
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: SunnyDayze]
#26098491 - 07/09/19 03:45 PM (4 years, 6 months ago) |
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SunnyDayze said: Lol Shaper, because the pc dissolves them where the water bath wouldn’t. I take out the rib bones, just the y bones will dissolve. Sorry, way off topic but hey..... 
I wouldnt consider this.off topic at all.
I have a feeling theres alot of liquid in your raw packs?
Seems that when.canning we use water to make things easier to sterilize.
Where as with our grain its dry
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Psicomb]
#26098493 - 07/09/19 03:46 PM (4 years, 6 months ago) |
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stuff is sold at my grocery store. sometimes on sale 8bucks for 20lbs not the cheapest but its hard to bet convenience in the city.
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: mushboy]
#26098515 - 07/09/19 03:56 PM (4 years, 6 months ago) |
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Bod I've seen you even (and plenty of other experienced growers) recommend folks chop up an agar plate into a bunch of pieces and drop it into the jar for faster colonization under 2 weeks, I've also seen you recommend people not let their "sterilized" grain jars sit for more than a day before inoculating. All those were in the context of preventing bacteria. Why would any of that matter if grains are truly sterilized, or endospore worries are at least irrelevant, after a proper run in the PC?
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always a chance something survived. the longer it sits, the more time it has to grow into a problem. There are accounts of people claiming to have used jars after sitting sterilized for a longer period of time and it worked out as well.
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bodhisatta 
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Dogma on the waiting more than a day part. Then eventually wanting to not encourage laziness. Also maybe a jar here and there get a survivor so it's a safety net. I've let grain jars sit for months without inoculating to test and they don't go bad.
As for the cutting up agar. Everyone wants fast colonization.
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van hatton
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: bodhisatta]
#26098530 - 07/09/19 04:02 PM (4 years, 6 months ago) |
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Well if it has a survivor then it can be assumed maybe they all have them.
This being said ive let grain sit for months and nothing. But ive also had the opposite happen.
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Fun part is figuring out what works best for you
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: bodhisatta]
#26098533 - 07/09/19 04:03 PM (4 years, 6 months ago) |
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I don't think a jar that hasnt been inoculated would lead to many problems sitting for a bit as their isn't much surface moisture to germinate bacteria. Once its inoculated and myc starts pulling moisture out of the grains seems like it could then lead to issues if the process doesn't happen quickly
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Edited by Sherlock Shrooms (07/09/19 04:03 PM)
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Failboat
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I have jars on the counter from last week. One of em was even missing a filter, but it barely molded by today. I might use them for this MNAPE LC I have growing...
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Failboat]
#26098554 - 07/09/19 04:18 PM (4 years, 6 months ago) |
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ive left grain jars for months. they just dry out before molding ime. maybe 1 out of like 100 randomly molds but its probably from a compromised filter
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bodhisatta 
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: mushboy] 1
#26098559 - 07/09/19 04:20 PM (4 years, 6 months ago) |
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Mold wouldn't survive so it has to be the filter.
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: bodhisatta]
#26098584 - 07/09/19 04:39 PM (4 years, 6 months ago) |
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I have a colonized jar thats been sitting there for a month and beginning to shrink, was thinking about just letting the grains soak in water, filter it, make a shoebox and see what happens 
Dont see why I wont produce some more mushrooms
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: PreparationH]
#26098597 - 07/09/19 04:46 PM (4 years, 6 months ago) |
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I cling wrap the sides of all my inoculated jar lids and keep them in empty tubs. Less spores falling on the filter disk and nothing getting kicked up in the gap between the ring and the glass. A few extra steps but I haven't seen a single grain jar get moldy since. There were a few jars I didn't use so I took the aluminum foil off and forgot about it. They sat on the floor for weeks, no cling wrap, not in a tub and I saw one of them get moldy
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Edited by Sherlock Shrooms (07/09/19 04:46 PM)
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bodhisatta 
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Truth for me is the only jars ive ever contaminated are ones ive opened to inoculate. And every control sample ive ever left has never went bad. So i can say its endospores or whatever else but there's another variable that's me
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: bodhisatta]
#26098866 - 07/09/19 07:06 PM (4 years, 6 months ago) |
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Trying to decide what size of flowhood filter to get for doing bags. Is 24x24 plenty or should I go 48x24?
edit: holy fuckkk the 48x24's have gone way up in price since I last looked
Edited by Psilosopherr (07/09/19 07:17 PM)
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Psilosopherr] 1
#26098935 - 07/09/19 07:44 PM (4 years, 6 months ago) |
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I use 24x24 no issue but I would love a 48x24 you can do twice as many g2g
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: vincee]
#26099015 - 07/09/19 08:13 PM (4 years, 6 months ago) |
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vincee said: New here, please don't hurt me 
It's my first time growing, and I'm using a kit bought online.
I only followed the instructions, but something tells me it's not going well.
I don't even know where to start reading, to learn more.
In any case, this was mine a few days ago pic
Then someone told me it was mold, and I researched that hydrogenated water (peroxide 3%) helps dissolve it. So I sprayed a bit on it until it all dissolved.
Now it looks like this: pic2
Is this salvageable? Tips? How to keep going? To throw it ? Bury it?
Love <3
I've never used a verm casing like that so I'm not 100% sure, but honestly it looks like shite. Best be to "salvage" something like that might be taking some myc from inside to agar and isolating away from contams. If it was me, I'd give it time and see if I got a pin or a mushroom or two to clone to agar. Order some plates and agar now, and if anything pops up you'll be ready. If it doesn't you can get a spore syringe or print from reputable vendor and start from there.
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: hexkrak]
#26099194 - 07/09/19 09:13 PM (4 years, 6 months ago) |
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I have a problem. I have a bunch of jars that may or may not have mold meshed in them. I can't see any wetspot. The first several tubs I've spawned look fine so far with little rhizos reaching to the surface and no smell or heat coming from the sub, but 1 tub is showing contams on day 3 in a coir sub Obviously bad spawn. All the grain jars seem to look fine though and smell shroomy when I spawn them. They look like this
 I have a ton of these jars and they're about ready to spawn. The problems I saw in 1 tub is making me wonder how to best use the jars. None of them showed anything I could detect, should I assume they're all bad or its a freak thing? If I assume they're all bad should I spawn them with a super high spawn count in case something is lurking it may be able to fight it better? Or fruit right out of the jars? Or? The latter would feel a bit wasteful as there are a bunch of these jars and without substrate they won't yield much at all. Not sure what is best to do at this point. I have other projects on the way that look good on agar but it'll be a long while before they're in tubs and fruiting.
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Edited by Sherlock Shrooms (07/09/19 09:20 PM)
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