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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: dmppb]
#26081743 - 06/29/19 11:04 PM (4 years, 6 months ago) |
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dmppb said: i posted in the wrong forum so i just copied it ,
i pasteurize straw in there with hot water and lime , i use that water heater to fill it with hot water and not loose 1 hour trying to get it hot with only the burner , then use the burner to maintain above 140 for two hours , drain and cool overnight and knock up next morning , i have a table to spread the straw but is not in the pic .
i used to do the water heater thing but with my old drum barrel which was insulated , it's busted now and i need more capacity , this tank fits an entire shredded 40 Kilo bale
thoughts?
You dont really need lime if youβre pasteurizing. Iβd go closer to 160 for an hour and skip the lime, or just buy a couple barrels to do lime soak in, no reason to do both.
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: AyePlus]
#26081759 - 06/29/19 11:15 PM (4 years, 6 months ago) |
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You dont have to pasteurize straw if you soak in lime? Curious I havent grown many edibles besides lions mane.
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: gizmo1] 1
#26081762 - 06/29/19 11:16 PM (4 years, 6 months ago) |
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You raise the PH super high and it essentially chemically pasteurizes it but the oysters can handle it and colonize it anyways.
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: AyePlus]
#26081783 - 06/29/19 11:44 PM (4 years, 6 months ago) |
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So this is specific to oyster cultivation? I have a oyster print ive been waiting on starting up till I get some petris and free space I would prefer to do some outdoor due to spore load of oysters.
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: gizmo1]
#26081806 - 06/30/19 12:19 AM (4 years, 6 months ago) |
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I know with poo that ranging my pasteurization between 140 and 150 for 1 hour has been more fruitful than going above 150. For sure. Frank, Ham, and Azure found this in their pasteurization journey too. This was just with poo though, not sure how it translates to straw. Although I imagine that poo is the ultimate test for pasteurization windows, at least for cubes
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Edited by Sherlock Shrooms (06/30/19 12:41 AM)
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Crispykoot]
#26081811 - 06/30/19 12:31 AM (4 years, 6 months ago) |
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Quirkmeister92 said:
can I haz Oysters?
If I wanted to grow my own straw, what exactly would I be growing? I was thinking about starting an acre of rye grass followed by rye.
Barley makes nice straw. Oats too.
Just curious, but why do you want to make your own straw?
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: SunnyDayze]
#26081847 - 06/30/19 01:04 AM (4 years, 6 months ago) |
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I guess he doesn't have an 8"ordinance. Lol
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: SunnyDayze]
#26082320 - 06/30/19 10:16 AM (4 years, 6 months ago) |
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great info my dudes,
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thoughts?
You dont really need lime if youβre pasteurizing. Iβd go closer to 160 for an hour and skip the lime, or just buy a couple barrels to do lime soak in, no reason to do both.
you're right , i used to do it only hydrated lime in barrels , but the seeds kept germinating and gave me plants in my straw logs which caused a mess , heat is to control that ( besides pasteurizing of course ) and i'm gonna test using hydrated lime and regular lime to see differences , it's really not extra work to do both lime and heat cause you gotta put some kind of lime in it anyway for PH control , and you gotta fill it with water too , but i agree with you , just one method could be enough.
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gizmo1 said: So this is specific to oyster cultivation? I have a oyster print ive been waiting on starting up till I get some petris and free space I would prefer to do some outdoor due to spore load of oysters.
any oyster mushroom will do good on straw , except kings they need more nutes , therefore sterilizing your sub , oyster myc is so aggressive you'll be surprised , and for sure you can incubate inside and fruit outside ( weather permitting of course ) i drop the bags on the ground and cover with shredded wet straw as casing , you'll need protection against rodents and pests for sure though
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Sherlock Shrooms said: I know with poo that ranging my pasteurization between 140 and 150 for 1 hour has been more fruitful than going above 150. For sure. Frank, Ham, and Azure found this in their pasteurization journey too. This was just with poo though, not sure how it translates to straw. Although I imagine that poo is the ultimate test for pasteurization windows, at least for cubes
very interesting i haven't seen that , poo can trich easily when using above 10 % ish of your sub ime , i feel oysters and cubes can get the nutes from poo , while using very small qtys , ultimate pasteurization test is coffee imo
will make a post with results as soon as i can
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: dmppb]
#26082379 - 06/30/19 11:02 AM (4 years, 6 months ago) |
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I just blew a hole through one of my PCs. This is the second PC I have ruined and the 3rd is almost pitted through as well. I can only assume there is a lot of metal in my water, and apparently you really must thoroughly wash, rinse, and dry you PC after each use. I am very frustrated. Last time this happened, last year, I had to pay almost $35 to send them the lid for a full replacement.
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Failboat] 1
#26082419 - 06/30/19 11:28 AM (4 years, 6 months ago) |
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: van hatton] 1
#26082428 - 06/30/19 11:33 AM (4 years, 6 months ago) |
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 Wut indeed
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: bodhisatta] 1
#26082453 - 06/30/19 11:51 AM (4 years, 6 months ago) |
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I use about 40% poo and my tubs don't trich super easy as long as my pasteurization is on point and my spawn is clean. Working on the latter lately. No contams on the edges of any of my plates but after a year and a few years I began seeing the same white fluffy mold enmeshed in all of my cultures and I can't transfer away from it, I've gone through hundreds of plates trying to save some nice isolates. I did hot pours, well timed transfers, scraping little bits of rhizo myc, and more. I'm fucking done with that, this shit is inescapable. I am fruiting them out and cloning them soon in hopes that the inner tissue of the mushroom cap didn't carry any of the contam with it. I've also started a bunch of spores too, waited a bit long to do that hehe. Have any of you cleaned up otherwise hopelessly contam'd cultures by taking clones or can enmeshed molds often follow the myc up into the mushrooms?
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Can we get a pic? How do you know it's meshed mold? Do the plates look visibly clean? Or are they all kinds of messed up looking?
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: dmppb]
#26082463 - 06/30/19 11:57 AM (4 years, 6 months ago) |
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dmppb said: great info my dudes,
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thoughts?
You dont really need lime if youβre pasteurizing. Iβd go closer to 160 for an hour and skip the lime, or just buy a couple barrels to do lime soak in, no reason to do both.
you're right , i used to do it only hydrated lime in barrels , but the seeds kept germinating and gave me plants in my straw logs which caused a mess , heat is to control that ( besides pasteurizing of course ) and i'm gonna test using hydrated lime and regular lime to see differences , it's really not extra work to do both lime and heat cause you gotta put some kind of lime in it anyway for PH control , and you gotta fill it with water too , but i agree with you , just one method could be enough.
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gizmo1 said: So this is specific to oyster cultivation? I have a oyster print ive been waiting on starting up till I get some petris and free space I would prefer to do some outdoor due to spore load of oysters.
any oyster mushroom will do good on straw , except kings they need more nutes , therefore sterilizing your sub , oyster myc is so aggressive you'll be surprised , and for sure you can incubate inside and fruit outside ( weather permitting of course ) i drop the bags on the ground and cover with shredded wet straw as casing , you'll need protection against rodents and pests for sure though
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Sherlock Shrooms said: I know with poo that ranging my pasteurization between 140 and 150 for 1 hour has been more fruitful than going above 150. For sure. Frank, Ham, and Azure found this in their pasteurization journey too. This was just with poo though, not sure how it translates to straw. Although I imagine that poo is the ultimate test for pasteurization windows, at least for cubes
very interesting i haven't seen that , poo can trich easily when using above 10 % ish of your sub ime , i feel oysters and cubes can get the nutes from poo , while using very small qtys , ultimate pasteurization test is coffee imo
will make a post with results as soon as i can
great sunday people !
You know why coffee is so hard to pastuerize? By the time its spent its goes well over pastuerization temps and gets partially sterilized. This is why I say coffee is only good for adding trich to your substrate. Instead use weak liquid coffee if you have to use coffee at all.
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: natedawgnow]
#26082498 - 06/30/19 12:19 PM (4 years, 6 months ago) |
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natedawgnow said: Can we get a pic? How do you know it's meshed mold? Do the plates look visibly clean? Or are they all kinds of messed up looking?
For sure. Uploading will take a few minutes on my connection. For now I'll tell you more about what I think happened. All of my cultures were clean, nice flat organized rhizo growth. Over time I think I transferred mold into each of them because of a bad setup in my flowhood. I was using an alcohol lamp in the flowhood and had a rectangular glass vase upstream from it to block the flow of air for a better flame. Stupid I wasn't getting the scalpel blade glowing orange and contaminants were blowing right on it and getting transgferred right in the center of my cultures. I think this is what happened anyway because I never saw contams on the outside of my plates. Over time with that bad technique 1 by 1 I transferred mold into all of my cultures. I assume its mold because after trying a hot pour the fluffy shit just grew right up through the new agar. I'm using a propane torch now, screw an alcohol lamp
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Edited by Sherlock Shrooms (06/30/19 12:21 PM)
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Here are some pics of my cultures with what I think is enmeshed mold



And this is how it all started. This culture looked clean when I put it into the fridge and it came out months later looking like this. They all look about like this when they come out of the fridge, some a little different but definitely all weird around the edges. A few others had bacteria I think because I could see the little sprouts where the rhizos lift off into the air.
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Edited by Sherlock Shrooms (06/30/19 01:27 PM)
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Sherlock Shrooms said: Here are some pics of my cultures with what I think is enmeshed mold



And this is how it all started. This culture looked clean when I put it into the fridge and it came out months later looking like this. They all look about like this when they come out of the fridge, some a little different but definitely all weird around the edges. A few others had bacteria I think because I could see the little sprouts where the rhizos lift off into the air.

i was complaining about my shiny edges , thinking that it was enmeshed mold but i isolated it a turned up fine , now this last plate look funky for sure , never seen that before
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: bodhisatta]
#26083865 - 07/01/19 09:43 AM (4 years, 6 months ago) |
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Quirkmeister92 said: I just blew a hole through one of my PCs. This is the second PC I have ruined and the 3rd is almost pitted through as well. I can only assume there is a lot of metal in my water, and apparently you really must thoroughly wash, rinse, and dry you PC after each use. I am very frustrated. Last time this happened, last year, I had to pay almost $35 to send them the lid for a full replacement.
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van hatton said: What
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 Wut indeed

I am in the "whut" category too... can we see pictures? Jesus christ that sounds dangerous. How long did you own this thing? What possibly happened to make the metal fail before the gasket?!
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thoroughly wash and rinse??
ive never washed my AA. got the bitch in 05. i like em dirty
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: mushboy]
#26083924 - 07/01/19 10:23 AM (4 years, 6 months ago) |
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Before a pc fails the emergency release valve would blow right? Was it from a super hot heating element that melted a side wall???
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