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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: sh4d0ws]
    #26042325 - 06/09/19 06:14 PM (4 years, 7 months ago)

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I get this too sometimes, I feel like it’s from casing a little too early. :shrug:



Could be, this was my first time casing. So might have to mess around some.

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Yo PE just eats right through my 50/50+ casing.





Mine does this, maybe not quite as much but definitely colonizes quite a bit. I still get fruits and no blobs now that I've got the thickness and timing of my casing perfect. I'll upload more pictures of this as it progressed but here's one before and after first pins






That’s all I want to do is avoid those blobs! Good to see it’s working for you!


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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Legend21]
    #26042332 - 06/09/19 06:17 PM (4 years, 7 months ago)

A vampire... ok then... cult related?

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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Caps McGee]
    #26042338 - 06/09/19 06:19 PM (4 years, 7 months ago)

Hotmail is all the rage with vampires these days


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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: StrohngBahd]
    #26042346 - 06/09/19 06:21 PM (4 years, 7 months ago)

" IVANTU SOCK YOU"... wrong forum


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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Caps McGee]
    #26042352 - 06/09/19 06:25 PM (4 years, 7 months ago)

Haven't grown PE in about 5 years now, but I did a bunch of APE a little over
a year ago. I buffered the casing with CaCO3 and lime to get the pH to about
7.8. It held up pretty well.



(that shoebox to the right was uncased as a control)


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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Asura]
    #26042419 - 06/09/19 06:58 PM (4 years, 7 months ago)

so people use legit casing for ape? how timely, i have a couple jars of something i suspect might hopefully turn out to kinda be ape. maybe. thanks all.


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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: J. Jack Flash]
    #26042431 - 06/09/19 07:04 PM (4 years, 7 months ago)

I (on mushroomnate's recommendation(runs a LOT of APE) ) just do a 1/4" top layer of coir only at spawn ... just like any other variety :shrug:


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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Caps McGee]
    #26042438 - 06/09/19 07:09 PM (4 years, 7 months ago)

Don't think its necessary to case APE at all, I've never seen APE blob.


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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Mr.Kaption]
    #26042463 - 06/09/19 07:25 PM (4 years, 7 months ago)

They're not common... but a top layer will help improve pinset in my limited experience with it


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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Asura]
    #26042576 - 06/09/19 08:09 PM (4 years, 7 months ago)

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Asura said:
Haven't grown PE in about 5 years now, but I did a bunch of APE a little over
a year ago. I buffered the casing with CaCO3 and lime to get the pH to about
7.8. It held up pretty well.



(that shoebox to the right was uncased as a control)





So I guess bringing the PH up helps with the mycelium not completely colonizing it? what exactly is buffering the PH helping with? I know I’ve read it hundreds of times but can’t remember. The only thing I added was some gypsum. Followed franks casing tek.


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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: sh4d0ws] * 2
    #26042666 - 06/09/19 08:56 PM (4 years, 7 months ago)

In Frank's PE casing instructions tek, he says he puts the tub into fruiting conditions when 30% of the casing layer has been colonized. Generally by time mine is pinning, it's anywhere from 50-80% colonized.

I case at 100% of colonization of the initial sub. Then the casing starts colonizing. Since I'm using shoeboxes they seem to just fruit when they're ready, usually about 50-80% of casing is colonized at that time. I haven't had an issue with the casing layer colonizing, at all, and now with the timing down right, I get tiniest amount of blobs and mostly fruits. Are you concerned that if your casing colonizes you will get blobs?

So it was this


And then




Other PE tubs I've done since getting the casing timing down right



Before I knew to case PE



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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Legend21]
    #26042714 - 06/09/19 09:20 PM (4 years, 7 months ago)

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So I guess bringing the PH up helps with the mycelium not completely colonizing it? what exactly is buffering the PH helping with? I know I’ve read it hundreds of times but can’t remember. The only thing I added was some gypsum. Followed franks casing tek.




The primary purpose of a casing layer is to provide moisture retention in your sub. It's also like a humidity barrier across the entire surface of your sub.

You don't want it made up of something the mycelium going readily overrun and consume....because then that just turns it into additional substrate.

Adding CaC03 brings up the pH. And you can add a lot of it before you really fuck things up, so it's relatively safe. Lime or Ca(OH)2 specifically can be added in small
amounts after to bump it up a bit more (but you can really fuck things up if you add too much).

Anyway, you want something the mycelium will tunnel through...not full on chow down on.


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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Legend21]
    #26042903 - 06/09/19 11:09 PM (4 years, 7 months ago)

I use organic jiffy mix from the store, like Frank does, for my casing. It has lime added.


If you don't want to mix your own casing, that stuff works great for PE and reducing blobs
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Asura said:
Haven't grown PE in about 5 years now, but I did a bunch of APE a little over
a year ago. I buffered the casing with CaCO3 and lime to get the pH to about
7.8. It held up pretty well.



(that shoebox to the right was uncased as a control)





So I guess bringing the PH up helps with the mycelium not completely colonizing it? what exactly is buffering the PH helping with? I know I’ve read it hundreds of times but can’t remember. The only thing I added was some gypsum. Followed franks casing tek.




I forgot to add, I use organic jiffy mix from the store, like Frank does, for my casing. It has lime added.


If you don't want to mix your own casing, that stuff works great for PE and reducing blobs. I don't add anything to it.


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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Asura]
    #26043128 - 06/10/19 04:59 AM (4 years, 7 months ago)

Yeah I’m using the same as you sh4d0ws and I’m using shoeboxes also so just have to wait for them to do their thing. You have some great results when compared to before you started casing.

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The primary purpose of a casing layer is to provide moisture retention in your sub. It's also like a humidity barrier across the entire surface of your sub.

You don't want it made up of something the mycelium going readily overrun and consume....because then that just turns it into additional substrate.

Adding CaC03 brings up the pH. And you can add a lot of it before you really fuck things up, so it's relatively safe. Lime or Ca(OH)2 specifically can be added in small
amounts after to bump it up a bit more (but you can really fuck things up if you add too much).

Anyway, you want something the mycelium will tunnel through...not full on chow down on.




The main reason I didn’t try to mess with anything to much is because I don’t have a way to measure the PH. I mean I have one of those cheap lowes probes but I don’t trust that thing at all.

But I guess I will can some CaC03 and mess around.


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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Legend21]
    #26043406 - 06/10/19 08:53 AM (4 years, 7 months ago)

On another note, I vacuum seal all of my dry mushrooms.  I’ve been noticing after 3 months or so they start getting bendy again. Does this mean I’m not drying enough initially? There’s no leak in the sealed bags and the vacuum sealed bags are even in another bag.


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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Legend21]
    #26043418 - 06/10/19 09:02 AM (4 years, 7 months ago)

I have some more golden teachers pinning and have some Purple Mystic knotting up.


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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Legend21] * 1
    #26043421 - 06/10/19 09:03 AM (4 years, 7 months ago)

Sounds like that or you're in a humid environment and when you vac seal you leave some air in rather than crushing the  mush completely. The moisture in the air then redistributes into your product. This whoukd be assuaged by dedsicant packets in your vac seal and of course sucking more air out.


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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Failboat]
    #26043438 - 06/10/19 09:10 AM (4 years, 7 months ago)

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Sounds like that or you're in a humid environment and when you vac seal you leave some air in rather than crushing the  mush completely. The moisture in the air then redistributes into your product. This whoukd be assuaged by dedsicant packets in your vac seal and of course sucking more air out.



Yeah humidity stays around 70+ percent here pretty much all the time. Most of them I did leave some excess air so I didn’t crush them
So that makes sense. But some I completely crushed into a brick and they still got that way. I’ll try throwing some desiccant in there with them.


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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Legend21]
    #26043446 - 06/10/19 09:16 AM (4 years, 7 months ago)

I just ordered 2pk of 120x2g packets for like 16 bucks gonna be here tomorrow. It's so cheap I figure if anything it's just for posterity. If my homies keep em in ziplocs or something lame like that I bet they will appreciate a couple packets in their sack.


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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Failboat]
    #26043450 - 06/10/19 09:21 AM (4 years, 7 months ago)

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Quirkmeister92 said:
Sounds like that or you're in a humid environment and when you vac seal you leave some air in rather than crushing the  mush completely. The moisture in the air then redistributes into your product. This whoukd be assuaged by dedsicant packets in your vac seal and of course sucking more air out.



Even in a mason jar that doesn't happen there's just too little air volume. Im going to say they were not dry enough to begin with


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