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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Asura]
#25997669 - 05/17/19 09:53 AM (4 years, 8 months ago) |
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Legend21]
#25997678 - 05/17/19 09:56 AM (4 years, 8 months ago) |
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Asura said: That's the same situation I'm having. I found one piece metal lids on Amazon and I'm moving to those and bags.
Have you tried them out yet? I wonder how well they work.
You got a link to those?
On another note what you guys think of this LC? Close to fully colonized? This was my first ever LC using The Josex poke and a PE culture. I don’t know how to tell when they are ready
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Legend21]
#25997687 - 05/17/19 10:02 AM (4 years, 8 months ago) |
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search amazon or ebay for stainless wide mouth or regular mouth lids. They can be had for $20 a dozen or less. They come with a silicone seal that is removable.
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: sandman420]
#25997710 - 05/17/19 10:23 AM (4 years, 8 months ago) |
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you bag guys, how do you fruit the bags? After the 100% colonization I've read some of you cut the bag down to the surface. Do I need to put them in a mono, or sgfc? Or will they be okay just on the shelf like a shoebox. Or possibly, you'll say yes/no and that its just about maintaining surface conditions and however I achieve that is up to me, ie. look to see if its drying out and adjust if I choose to shelf it?
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Camera93]
#25997714 - 05/17/19 10:27 AM (4 years, 8 months ago) |
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Depends on whats in the bag. If it is straight grain most people don't fruit in the bag, they spawn it to something else such as other bags with pasteurized substrate in it or monos. Straight grain doesn't do super good fruiting.
But if you are cutting the bag down to the surface to fruit it needs to be in a mono or greenhouse or other humidified environ. Casings help.
You can also fruit a bag on the shelf by just stabbing a few holes in the plastic with a arrowhead or cutting a slit or 3.
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: sandman420]
#25997717 - 05/17/19 10:28 AM (4 years, 8 months ago) |
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I do that with the bags I don't wanna spawn.
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: sandman420]
#25997718 - 05/17/19 10:28 AM (4 years, 8 months ago) |
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an lc being done is different than an lc being ready enough to use. It really depends on how much shit you put in it. I do 2% malt and the myc will grow until it almost fills the entire jar and then it'l stop expanding. If i let it settle it'll be like 90% myc setting on the bottom and a thin layer of clear water on top. That's when it's "done" aka no more food to eat. And that's when it's the snottiest.
I have used the one piece metal lids. I prefer them over the two piece but prefer plastic over all. Admittedly, warped plastic lids suck balls and get thrown out. I just leave them super loose in the pc and they don't warp unless something goes wrong like the lids on the top layer are vibrating and there is nothing holding the lid in place so it wiggles tighter and tighter through the cycle. OR, I take them out piping hot and forget to double check the looseness of the lid before leaving them to cool.
I did encounter the one piece metal lids with removable silicon gasket deal getting super super super stuck to my jar. The worst i've ever scene. I ended up not using them for grain and made LI jars out of them (which i never use)
@camera, It doesn't matter if you are fruiting out of a mono, shoe, solo cup, toilet bowl, bath tub or swimming pool. It needs to breath plenty without drying out. If i fruit out of bags I cut the top off and put as many as can fit into whatever tubs i have lying around. I stuff the poly just like i would for a mono. Freaking tight on the bottom and looser than a two dollar hooker on top.
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I did notice the silicone seals that come with the stainless one piece lids are kinda funky and thin. I haven't actually used them yet. They could easily be replaced with regular thicker silicone gaskets, I have a whole bunch already. I will probably swap my thicker ones in for the flimsy ones that come with it, when i get to using them for a new project soon. The gaskets also might come installed backwards. I think the side with the split goes against the top of the lid and they come with the split on the outside. I like the regular thick ones with no split personally.
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Awesome, thanks for the replies!
@sandman, I kinda planned to just try them instead of a tub. So grain is colonized in quart jars now, just need to bucket tek some coir and I was gonna spawn into a filter patch bag.
@verm, good to confirm, thanks for chiming in maybe Ill try an "invitro-ish". Leave the zip tie on after full colonization and poke holes like the grocery bag for shoeboxes
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Camera93] 1
#25997740 - 05/17/19 10:40 AM (4 years, 8 months ago) |
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Ah yea then I would spawn it to the patch bags and just fold the top down and use a paper clip to hold it till its colonized. Then stab a few 1" slits in it when it starts to pin. That all you need to do.
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verum subsequentis said: an lc being done is different than an lc being ready enough to use. It really depends on how much shit you put in it. I do 2% malt and the myc will grow until it almost fills the entire jar and then it'l stop expanding. If i let it settle it'll be like 90% myc setting on the bottom and a thin layer of clear water on top. That's when it's "done" aka no more food to eat. And that's when it's the snottiest.
I have used the one piece metal lids. I prefer them over the two piece but prefer plastic over all. Admittedly, warped plastic lids suck balls and get thrown out. I just leave them super loose in the pc and they don't warp unless something goes wrong like the lids on the top layer are vibrating and there is nothing holding the lid in place so it wiggles tighter and tighter through the cycle. OR, I take them out piping hot and forget to double check the looseness of the lid before leaving them to cool.
Idk I used 1 gram of Light Malt extract for 250ml of water so I guess that’s no where close to 2 percent. I just used what the tek stated. I’m guessing 2 percent would be 5 grams of malt per 250ml.
So when are the ready enough to be used?
I’m guessing you don’t have any issues leaving your lids super loose? I leave mine about a quarter turn loose but they end up coming out tightened anyway so I may loosen them more.
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Legend21]
#25997763 - 05/17/19 10:52 AM (4 years, 8 months ago) |
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Question to folks that make spawn bags. A lot of the teks out there have people putting tyvek in the bags to filter air as the PC cools. Tried getting some more info, but just seemed like a lot of people parroting the same thing over and over. Is that an outdated concern or will they contam?
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: rickyswamps]
#25997768 - 05/17/19 10:56 AM (4 years, 8 months ago) |
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I never use tyvek anymore. It’s more to prevent the filter from melting to the bag. I just use foil now and it’s fine.
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Pastywhyte]
#25997777 - 05/17/19 11:02 AM (4 years, 8 months ago) |
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I don't put anything in there these days and have no problems. I just fold the top down around itself and tape the top to the bottom with 2 pieces of scotch tape. Filter in or out doesn't matter they are hydrophobic. When I open them up in the hood I don't remove the scotch tape it's a hassle I seal right through it no worries. My sealer is pretty boss though.
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Pastywhyte]
#25997790 - 05/17/19 11:07 AM (4 years, 8 months ago) |
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pasty, you use foil on your spawn bags? How so? That confuses me.
I do bags all the time without sleeves. I accordion fold the bottom three bags just to keep the water from traveling up the bag and the next two layers of bags just get nicely rolled. I can explain that better if you wish.
I can't say whether or not the sleeve is needed though because i cool and download my pc in front of the flow. I can say that i nicely folded bag does seem to seal up rather well though.
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Does anybody here use grain soak agar?
I poured like sixty plates super excited and all my growth is coming out ass. Whisky weak growth. I did straight grain soak water and half water/half grain soak water. Both of them suck.
Have like thirty more plates to burn through. Next time I try new agar I’ll do a small batch
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Legend21]
#25997853 - 05/17/19 12:04 PM (4 years, 8 months ago) |
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Legend21 said: Does anybody here use grain soak agar?
I poured like sixty plates super excited and all my growth is coming out ass. Whisky weak growth. I did straight grain soak water and half water/half grain soak water. Both of them suck.
Have like thirty more plates to burn through. Next time I try new agar I’ll do a small batch 
Thats what I use I use the softer ratio from agar ez as 1-2-3 tek 2grams agar agar : 1/2 cup grain soak water
I love how clear it comes out

I dont dilute
 some RW transfers growing out
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Legend21]
#25997854 - 05/17/19 12:06 PM (4 years, 8 months ago) |
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I used it at multiple ratios and quit using it because of that. That's not to say that it can't be great though. I just quit trying because malt extract powder so so cheap and easy and works so well. It's all i use anymore. Although i did do some dog food agar the other day and was pleasantly surprised with the results.
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Yeah I do love how clear it is. But they just grow so weak and wispy so far for me. Maybe it’s because I’m used to MEA. I’ll have to take some pictures later to show what I’m talking about
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verum subsequentis said: I used it at multiple ratios and quit using it because of that. That's not to say that it can't be great though. I just quit trying because malt extract powder so so cheap and easy and works so well. It's all i use anymore. Although i did do some dog food agar the other day and was pleasantly surprised with the results.
Good to know. I’m going back to mea after these 30 plates I have left. I thought grain water had a lot of nutrition but I guess not compared to mea.
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Firstttimer]
#25997878 - 05/17/19 12:15 PM (4 years, 8 months ago) |
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Firstttimer said:
 Watched how my shrooms doing in jar, all still cracker dry, but i kept one in baggie because it was only little like mutant and i liked shape. Like you see its turned grey or idk what Bad decision was lefting it in bag. Can someone say what it is? Week ago it was ok Can't be bruising right?
Looks like bruising to me...  Is it still dry?
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