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OfflineCamera93
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: ShaperDreaming]
    #25954502 - 04/25/19 11:14 AM (4 years, 9 months ago)

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Mycolorado said:
@ shaper - you might try one piece plastic or metal lids, they’re way easier to use than traditional 2 piece metal lids.  No fussing with the ring and gasket.



Thanks. I've been debating on it. I just have so many fucking modded jar lids with polyfill it's hard to justify more work... lol.

What are people's thoughts on turning the lid upside down? Does that create enough of a seal, seems like the easiest way to do it overall if it's not going to introduce contams. I often have to let my jars sit for a few days before I can use them, and the last time that I did this I got a couple of jars that contaminated on me because I didn't tighten the lids all the way to make them easier to peel off.

Ugh, after typing this I feel like it's just time to dive in and modify some plastic lids with SFD discs.




I have a bunch of the walmart plastic lid ones (mainstays)? or somthing and i read somewhere here that they dont work as well as the ball brand
any truth to this?


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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Camera93]
    #25954510 - 04/25/19 11:19 AM (4 years, 9 months ago)

I like the Walmart ones better. The ball ones always end up warping somehow because after I use them they won’t screw on smoothly. It’s like I have to force them on.


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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Legend21]
    #25954515 - 04/25/19 11:21 AM (4 years, 9 months ago)

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I like the Walmart ones better. The ball ones always end up warping somehow because after I use them they won’t screw on smoothly. It’s like I have to force them on.




good shit, looks like i got some modding to do tonight


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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Camera93]
    #25954533 - 04/25/19 11:30 AM (4 years, 9 months ago)

Been out for a while, don't have any plates left, got quite a few prints leftover.

I think I'm going to start again with some WBSF cakes (done it before they work great), maybe with some grounded dog food as well, but maybe not. I finally saw the proper half pint mason jars for sale so I got some, not in the mood to do grains again quite yet.

Not sure where my syringes are, so that's an issue :3 Should I just do the cakes with spores and take some cloning samples from the best ones, or should I still do some plates first for LI (although idk if the gauge needles I had would handle that). I think I'll be relatively lazy with the jars and just do straight spore print, see what sticks and work from there.

Not sure either if I'll fruit in vitro, spawn them as cakes (not gonna get perlite though), or just spawn them to coir in trays, which is probably the best yield wise and a good use of the crapton of coir I have leftover (and that I never tried proper oven pasteurization).

I've got WBS so I'm making flour from that (I have a tiny hunch that the varied nutrition helps). If I add any other additives like dog food for cakes, should the proportion between WBSF and Vermiculite Remain the same (as in, less WBSF and more grounded dog food) or should I just have some sprinklings added to the mix, for a slightly denser cake?


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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Huskies]
    #25954765 - 04/25/19 01:50 PM (4 years, 9 months ago)

Honestly I'd just make brf if I was gonna make cakes. Personally.


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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: ShaperDreaming]
    #25955775 - 04/25/19 10:32 PM (4 years, 9 months ago)

this talk of lids came up some pages back. when the time comes, i'm trying this. sandwiching the lid between two layers of tyvek, turns two pieces lids into one. slicker'n snot.

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Like this. One layer over the top. One under. Then put the ring on. Boom done


I have the lid the correct way but either way will work.




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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: J. Jack Flash]
    #25955800 - 04/25/19 10:52 PM (4 years, 9 months ago)

I use 2 piece lids, upside down, holes with poly, and I tighten the ring and foil the top.  Thinking about trying one piece plastic but I like the two peice.  I have a system of holding the poly with my index finger with no issues, doesn’t fall apart when handling.

@mycolorado, I know from years of canning food not to release too much pressure too fast.  I understand loosening would help that but if you don’t, the exploding jars aren’t fun, especially when you have them about face height pulling them out of the canner.


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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: SunnyDayze]
    #25955879 - 04/26/19 12:07 AM (4 years, 9 months ago)

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...@mycolorado, I know from years of canning food not to release too much pressure too fast.  I understand loosening would help that but if you don’t, the exploding jars aren’t fun, especially when you have them about face height pulling them out of the canner.




But this is not canning. With canning, there is no filter for gas exchange, creating a vacuum. I have a hard time believing that a jar with a hole and filter would create enough pressure to make it explode.


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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: nulls]
    #25956108 - 04/26/19 05:50 AM (4 years, 9 months ago)

Growth has pretty much stopped. Pins from last monday. I bottom watered after pinning with a syringe inside the sub, about 40ml / 2 liter tray.



Guess I shouldn't have done that? Or may something else be the cause?


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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: nulls] * 1
    #25956167 - 04/26/19 06:57 AM (4 years, 9 months ago)

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...@mycolorado, I know from years of canning food not to release too much pressure too fast.  I understand loosening would help that but if you don’t, the exploding jars aren’t fun, especially when you have them about face height pulling them out of the canner.




But this is not canning. With canning, there is no filter for gas exchange, creating a vacuum. I have a hard time believing that a jar with a hole and filter would create enough pressure to make it explode.




believe it.
water boils at 212F/100C at atmospheric pressure.
water boils at 250F/121C at 15psi above atmospheric pressure.
dropping from 15psi to 0psi rapidly causes lots water to boil instantaneously, producing lots of steam. steam moves mountains. plus, there's not just pressure but also a seriously sharp temperature change which ordinary glass really doesn't like.
if the filter gives way before the glass, then it was just a bunch of wasted energy. if the filter doesn't give way, then glass breaks. could go either way. there's many filter styles, some more likely to give than others.


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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: J. Jack Flash]
    #25956199 - 04/26/19 07:22 AM (4 years, 9 months ago)

My third flush is coming in and has way more pins than the first two, probably triple the amount; and I got 1 oz dry the first flush and .75 oz the second. Is this usual? I feel like I have a better grasp on surface conditions now so that’s probably better but I wasn’t expecting so many pins!


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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: J. Jack Flash] * 1
    #25956234 - 04/26/19 07:47 AM (4 years, 9 months ago)

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nulls said:
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SunnyDayze said:
...@mycolorado, I know from years of canning food not to release too much pressure too fast.  I understand loosening would help that but if you don’t, the exploding jars aren’t fun, especially when you have them about face height pulling them out of the canner.




But this is not canning. With canning, there is no filter for gas exchange, creating a vacuum. I have a hard time believing that a jar with a hole and filter would create enough pressure to make it explode.




believe it.
water boils at 212F/100C at atmospheric pressure.
water boils at 250F/121C at 15psi above atmospheric pressure.
dropping from 15psi to 0psi rapidly causes lots water to boil instantaneously, producing lots of steam. steam moves mountains. plus, there's not just pressure but also a seriously sharp temperature change which ordinary glass really doesn't like.
if the filter gives way before the glass, then it was just a bunch of wasted energy. if the filter doesn't give way, then glass breaks. could go either way. there's many filter styles, some more likely to give than others.




:whathesaid:

What I would have said but way better 😂

The filtre for air exchange would help but not enough when dumping pressure quickly.  If I’m in a major hurry I will dump just a second or two at a time every few minutes but that scenario happened to me so I’m very careful now.


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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: SunnyDayze]
    #25956276 - 04/26/19 08:08 AM (4 years, 9 months ago)

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I have a system of holding the poly with my index finger with no issues, doesn’t fall apart when handling.



Holy cow Sunny that's brilliant.  Like you lift the lid of the receiving jar up by the poly when putting things like LC, Agar, etc to grain??  That simplifies everything so much. 

I had been thinking about going for one piece lids for a few weeks now too because I am tired of fumbling occasionally with two piece lids but this just opened up a whole new avenue to explore


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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Psicomb]
    #25956384 - 04/26/19 09:12 AM (4 years, 9 months ago)

If you have silicone just make your modded two piece lids into single piece lids. You can still opt to lift it by the poly, but should you switch to SFD this is a convenient alternative to plastic one piece lids.


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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: ibuprofemin]
    #25956390 - 04/26/19 09:14 AM (4 years, 9 months ago)

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SunnyDayze said:
I have a system of holding the poly with my index finger with no issues, doesn’t fall apart when handling.



Holy cow Sunny that's brilliant.  Like you lift the lid of the receiving jar up by the poly when putting things like LC, Agar, etc to grain??  That simplifies everything so much. 



I feel like if I did this it would just rip out the polyfil? I use 2-piece lids, gasket side down, a quarter turn loose then foil over. When I get them out of the PC the gasket has created a seal that takes a lot of effort for me to open often. I've bent the lid part from opening them many times as a result... how would the poly hold up to that? Am I missing something really basic?

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My third flush is coming in and has way more pins than the first two, probably triple the amount; and I got 1 oz dry the first flush and .75 oz the second. Is this usual? I feel like I have a better grasp on surface conditions now so that’s probably better but I wasn’t expecting so many pins!



It happens if you do things right. I find that my overall weight drops about 10%-30% between flushes. But! since there's no pictures, sometimes heavy pinning in later flushes can mean that they're trying to outrun a contam, keep your eyes peeled for green to show up, but hope it doesn't :wink:


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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: ShaperDreaming]
    #25956410 - 04/26/19 09:20 AM (4 years, 9 months ago)

I don't really get second flushes


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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Failboat]
    #25956438 - 04/26/19 09:33 AM (4 years, 9 months ago)

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I don't really get second flushes



Meaning you toss them and don't understand how people wait for them... or something like you trich out every time. I have a hard time believing you can't get second flushes. I really need to get my shit together and not run my boxes more than 2 flushes... but they're alive and I grew them I have a hard time tossing that :frown: I'll get better.


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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: ShaperDreaming]
    #25956462 - 04/26/19 09:47 AM (4 years, 9 months ago)

I get alot of trich and shit. My first few dozen shoeboxes last year got seconds but for the most part I get nothing after the first and it's not entirely uncommon for me to barely get my firsts. I think a lot has had to do with many factors I have been working on. Right now my growth has been looking excellent but we will see what happens in a few weeks. My number one problem has been being too clunky in my SAB when doing G2G. I cut my arm holes bigger and this last time i propped it up on pint jars and suran wrapped the extension. So far it worked for the first 30, I did one pint to 10 qt


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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Failboat]
    #25956476 - 04/26/19 10:03 AM (4 years, 9 months ago)

Damn really? For some reason I had the impression you were an old hat at this Quirk! Well fuck, then good luck. I'm debating on putting larger holes in my SAB as well.


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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: ShaperDreaming]
    #25956482 - 04/26/19 10:08 AM (4 years, 9 months ago)

I get results, but so does a machine gun. I figure if I had a FH my bag success would be much better. I think I wasted a couple months on dirty bag work looking back meow. All that said I've been learning how to do all this for like 8 years. Just learned to vent my PC last year tho :vaped:


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