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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: poisoned]
#25954286 - 04/25/19 08:33 AM (4 years, 9 months ago) |
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dmppb said: question ; when pc ing grain jars ; you open a little bit your lids ? and if so you open the pc in front of your box or what ?
i've been getting popped mp tape , and i think it's because of the pressure inside the jar for letting the lids tight during the cycle , thought ?
You don't need to open in front of anything if they have cooled in a PC. Just open it up and screw each one before you pick it out. You just got to make sure your PC has been at room temperature for at least a few hours.
ok , and what if i want to take them out while still hot ? to run the next cycle or whatever ;
also , i'm planning on changing from MP to SFDs glued with silicone , still i have to loosen the lid or will they be ok ?
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: dmppb]
#25954299 - 04/25/19 08:42 AM (4 years, 9 months ago) |
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How big are your GE holes? Layers of MP? Are you using foil? NEED SOME DEETS BROSEPH
Only time you should need to loosen lids for PC cycle is with ummodded
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Caps McGee]
#25954310 - 04/25/19 08:48 AM (4 years, 9 months ago) |
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Caps McGee said: How big are your GE holes? Layers of MP? Are you using foil? NEED SOME DEETS BROSEPH
Only time you should need to loosen lids for PC cycle is with ummodded
sure thang ; i've always used one layer of mp , although my last 3 cycles i put two to test ; holes on the lids are the size of a screwdriver width, less than half an inch or a little bigger maybe ? and yes a i use foil ;
i'm asking all of this cause i'm having a hard time getting rid of bacteria , so i wanna tighten up my process
also , unmodded grain jars ? never heard of that , how they breathe?
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: dmppb]
#25954325 - 04/25/19 09:02 AM (4 years, 9 months ago) |
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dmppb said: also , unmodded grain jars ? never heard of that , how they breathe?
Look up muda bottles. Those use unmodded ziplock twist and lock for their tek and you just unscrew the lid a little.
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MP tape is a horrible filter for grain jars. I loosen lids on anything I put in the pc.
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Mycolorado]
#25954380 - 04/25/19 09:44 AM (4 years, 9 months ago) |
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Nevermind me, just
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Mycolorado]
#25954381 - 04/25/19 09:44 AM (4 years, 9 months ago) |
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Mycolorado said: MP tape is a horrible filter for grain jars. I loosen lids on anything I put in the pc.
I’m glad you said that I was just doubting myself. I use 1/4 inch holes with quarter sized synthetic filter disks and still give my lids a quarter turn to loosen them a bit.
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dmppb said: also , unmodded grain jars ? never heard of that , how they breathe?
Look up muda bottles. Those use unmodded ziplock twist and lock for their tek and you just unscrew the lid a little.
amazing work by muda , may he look after us all !
and thanks mycolorado , i'm changing to sfds , that should be good right ?
and so , you open while hot and tighten in front of the box , or let cool inside then tighten ?
how and when should i tighten the lids ?
gracias again
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Mycolorado]
#25954387 - 04/25/19 09:50 AM (4 years, 9 months ago) |
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Mycolorado said: I loosen lids on anything I put in the pc.
I've been looking through TEKs to find any recommendation. I was under the impression that you don't want to tighten lids all the way down because of the gasket (if you're using regular mason jar lids on mason jars right side up). If you do this then you have a risk of causing problems opening them, either you can bend the lids peeling them off or it can get stuck and you'll create air flow in your sab. (this is for grain jars, not brf)
Once, getting a lid off that had been "stuck" I cut the ever loving fuck out of my thumb. When the lid *POPPED* off after a good amount of work it jammed straight into the side of my thumb and cut it wide open. 9 months later I still have a dark scar from it.
OK, sounds like we're all kinda like "What the fuck to do with lids?!" Who knows? Do we got links? I can't really find anything specific from a TC.
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Mycolorado said: I loosen lids on anything I put in the pc.
I've been looking through TEKs to find any recommendation. I was under the impression that you don't want to tighten lids all the way down because of the gasket (if you're using regular mason jar lids on mason jars right side up). If you do this then you have a risk of causing problems opening them, either you can bend the lids peeling them off or it can get stuck and you'll create air flow in your sab. (this is for grain jars, not brf)
Once, getting a lid off that had been "stuck" I cut the ever loving fuck out of my thumb. When the lid *POPPED* off after a good amount of work it jammed straight into the side of my thumb and cut it wide open. 9 months later I still have a dark scar from it.
OK, sounds like we're all kinda like "What the fuck to do with lids?!" Who knows? Do we got links? I can't really find anything specific from a TC.
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Camera93]
#25954399 - 04/25/19 09:58 AM (4 years, 9 months ago) |
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Camera93 said: bod has one
Right, but no where does he address how to tighten down your lids. He does state that they can be flipped and that doesn't matter.
We're getting in the weeds here maybe.
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Camera93]
#25954405 - 04/25/19 10:01 AM (4 years, 9 months ago) |
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Sfd’s work great but I still use polyfill. I pc with lid loose and tighten after removing. The filter will prevent contam as it pulls air in upon cooling. You can also foil the tops for added peace of mind.
@ shaper - you might try one piece plastic or metal lids, they’re way easier to use than traditional 2 piece metal lids. No fussing with the ring and gasket.
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Thinkin about it too much. If you have filtered lids then tighten them down. If they're unmodded or plastic then loosen a 1/4 turn 
I use my 2 piece lids gasket side down but I boil my lids for a minute before to make the gasket is nice and malleable, then I peel the gaskets off. You still get a good seal around the rim cause of the indent where the gasket was.
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Mycolorado]
#25954425 - 04/25/19 10:22 AM (4 years, 9 months ago) |
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Mycolorado said: Sfd’s work great but I still use polyfill. I pc with lid loose and tighten after removing. The filter will prevent contam as it pulls air in upon cooling. You can also foil the tops for added peace of mind.
@ shaper - you might try one piece plastic or metal lids, they’re way easier to use than traditional 2 piece metal lids. No fussing with the ring and gasket.
i hear ya , i will try poly just to get to know it , you never change it right ? use the same over and over , just make sure it's tightly stuck in the hole ?
you remove the jars at your workspace and just tight lids as they come out from the pc ,but not in front of the flow hood ,
i guess my concern is that when the lids are loose unfiltered air will get sucked right in through there , wouldn't it ?
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: natedawgnow]
#25954426 - 04/25/19 10:22 AM (4 years, 9 months ago) |
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Guess I should clarify that I dump pressure on my aa, so run loose lids to prevent stress on the jars and filters.
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Mycolorado]
#25954428 - 04/25/19 10:23 AM (4 years, 9 months ago) |
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Mycolorado said: Guess I should clarify that I dump pressure on my aa, so run loose lids to prevent stress on the jars and filters.
dump pressure on your pc , means you remove the weight to let it out faster ?
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: dmppb]
#25954437 - 04/25/19 10:30 AM (4 years, 9 months ago) |
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I have a sterilizer with a stopcock. People say you shouldn’t dump pressure but I’ve never had an issue with jars or media bottles. However, if you dump while running bags, they can pop or severely weaken the plastic as they balloon up. Patience is best though, and one should prolly just let the pressure reduce on its own.
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Mycolorado]
#25954442 - 04/25/19 10:34 AM (4 years, 9 months ago) |
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Mycolorado said: I have a sterilizer with a stopcock. People say you shouldn’t dump pressure but I’ve never had an issue with jars or media bottles. However, if you dump while running bags, they can pop or severely weaken the plastic as they balloon up. Patience is best though, and one should prolly just let the pressure reduce on its own.
i agree ; it's like 20 min anyway ;
so right now i have my two pc's full of sterilized grain jars with loosened metal two pieces and plastic one piece lids with foil and two layers of MP and not in front of my hood , so... time for notes and tests !
i was gonna google stopcock , but naah , what is that ?

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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Mycolorado]
#25954487 - 04/25/19 11:04 AM (4 years, 9 months ago) |
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Mycolorado said: @ shaper - you might try one piece plastic or metal lids, they’re way easier to use than traditional 2 piece metal lids. No fussing with the ring and gasket.
Thanks. I've been debating on it. I just have so many fucking modded jar lids with polyfill it's hard to justify more work... lol.
What are people's thoughts on turning the lid upside down? Does that create enough of a seal, seems like the easiest way to do it overall if it's not going to introduce contams. I often have to let my jars sit for a few days before I can use them, and the last time that I did this I got a couple of jars that contaminated on me because I didn't tighten the lids all the way to make them easier to peel off.
Ugh, after typing this I feel like it's just time to dive in and modify some plastic lids with SFD discs.
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Yeah it’s super fast. I made 16 plastic lids with sfds in under an hour it doesn’t take much time. Drill holes, cut add into nickel sized pieces, put silicone around the hole, place cut sfd on top. Super easy.
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