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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: icetech]
#25952270 - 04/24/19 06:22 AM (4 years, 9 months ago) |
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Every pe6 I’ve seen looks like a normal cube. I never seen one look like a dick.
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Legend21]
#25952272 - 04/24/19 06:23 AM (4 years, 9 months ago) |
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And there short too it seems
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Yesum]
#25952280 - 04/24/19 06:32 AM (4 years, 9 months ago) |
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Yesum said: And there short too it seems
Yeah.. pretty dense though, one i cut was short but 10g wet still. not amazing but for how small i was surprised.. I don't use shrooms so i will just end up giving it all away anyway.. I just enjoy learning and of course talking to you guys
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: icetech] 1
#25952283 - 04/24/19 06:36 AM (4 years, 9 months ago) |
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icetech said: I don't use shrooms
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: mushboy]
#25952292 - 04/24/19 06:39 AM (4 years, 9 months ago) |
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icetech said: I don't use shrooms

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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: mushboy]
#25952369 - 04/24/19 07:51 AM (4 years, 9 months ago) |
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icetech said: I don't use shrooms

hahah i know... thing is.. the second worst day of my life was my first big trip about a year ago.. i spent 4 hours curled in a ball snot-crying like a baby, and i couldn't stop.. even on LSD leaving my body there is a tiny part of my brain thinking, "it's just the drug.. relax and enjoy" fucking shrooms wiped that part out and just made me eat the shit it was doing.
I was warned ahead of time.. shrooms amplify whatever shit you are made of. I am a suicial manic-depressive. that has no friends or family and has been alone WAY too long. All that shit came up and wrecked me.. sooo yeah.. BUT, i enjoy learning and the growing process, and i enjoy giving them away to friends/people and making them happy 
P.S. plus they only last like 3-4 hours. that's some serious bullshit, i want my saturday to go from 4pm to 2-4am.. LSD baby!
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: icetech]
#25952408 - 04/24/19 08:31 AM (4 years, 9 months ago) |
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mushboy said: Shaper, never spray iso in the box
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bodhisatta said: Yea never spray iso in the box lol
Ok, so I won't but... why? It really helps me to remember when I understand the reasoning.
Also, that face mask idea is kinda genius, I unintentionally hold my breath when doing SAB work (don't realize until I exhale later).
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icetech said: P.S. plus they only last like 3-4 hours. that's some serious bullshit, i want my saturday to go from 4pm to 2-4am.. LSD baby! 
Sup bb. I feel you on the suicidal bipolar shit. It's a tough life. That aside, I did look into extending your trip with results and options I haven't explored yet.
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van hatton
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Because your putting iso in a closed space close to a flame.
That equals boom.
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icetech said: P.S. plus they only last like 3-4 hours. that's some serious bullshit, i want my saturday to go from 4pm to 2-4am.. LSD baby! 
Sup bb. I feel you on the suicidal bipolar shit. It's a tough life. That aside, I did look into extending your trip with results and options I haven't explored yet.
I dont take shroomz without harmala now
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Bumholio]
#25952421 - 04/24/19 08:42 AM (4 years, 9 months ago) |
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icetech said: P.S. plus they only last like 3-4 hours. that's some serious bullshit, i want my saturday to go from 4pm to 2-4am.. LSD baby! 
Sup bb. I feel you on the suicidal bipolar shit. It's a tough life. That aside, I did look into extending your trip with results and options I haven't explored yet.
I dont take shroomz without harmala now
I still need to do that extraction
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Sup bb. I feel you on the suicidal bipolar shit. It's a tough life. That aside, I did look into extending your trip with results and options I haven't explored yet.
Thanks shape, read through that real quick.. right now i am going to hold off. with the time dilation 9 hours would feel like 30:) My depression has been really bad lately.. when i'm in a better place i will try it again. I had stopped microdosing lsd, then yesterday i started again (10uG) and what a difference, i need to get back on that horse The one thing i love about microing lsd is after like 2-3 months (i do tuesday and thursday with full trips on saturday) the effect really lingers, i ended up skipping weeks and feeling amazing, just wore off slowly i guess and i let the bad shit kick my ass:)
BTW.. there are guys that say ohhh just trip.. blah blah. the difference from a MD to a full trip is just night and day, might as well be a different drug totally. MD, all the bad shit goes away.. no buzz or anything can just feel human for awhile
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: van hatton]
#25952426 - 04/24/19 08:45 AM (4 years, 9 months ago) |
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van hatton said: Because your putting iso in a closed space close to a flame.
That equals boom.
I used to use iso, but now use lysol, just cause i have it sitting there, with ISO i would wipe out my tub then set it up and let it sit for a few minutes for air to settle. But yeah i can't believe i haven't set myself on fire a bunch, mainly iso coated gloves while lighting a torch It's a game i like to play called "Oweee or agar!"
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Manic503] 1
#25952438 - 04/24/19 08:54 AM (4 years, 9 months ago) |
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Manic503 said: but doing that correlates with 0 contams so I do it just to feel better.
Some people pray, I use bleach. Lol
Correlation is not causation. Physics is our best tool, not chemistry
No argument on both points but since I am not running some double blind experiment to determine whether the well established fact that a 10% bleach solution kills mold spores or not, I don’t see your point (anecdotally, its a correlation, academically its kindergarten).
People don’t want to “waste” the time or energy cleaning for whatever reason? Cool. You do you. But stating that cleaning your work area with a disinfectant won’t reduce (not to be confused with “eliminate”) the risk of contams is absurd. This has been drilled to death in other threads. Peace my brethren. Cheers!
Considering that everyone here posts great results and understands how sterile technique works, maybe we're right about SAB work?
Maybe we'd take you more seriously if you posted some results...
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Mr Piggy] 1
#25952447 - 04/24/19 09:03 AM (4 years, 9 months ago) |
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Bumholio]
#25952476 - 04/24/19 09:26 AM (4 years, 9 months ago) |
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Lol, thats how i felt in the sliver vs whole plate debate.
My point is that while it may reduce the # or contams present in the sab its not going to reduce the risk as the risk comes from technique. Not the box itself
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: icetech]
#25952521 - 04/24/19 09:53 AM (4 years, 9 months ago) |
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icetech said:
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van hatton said: Because your putting iso in a closed space close to a flame.
That equals boom.
I used to use iso, but now use lysol, just cause i have it sitting there, with ISO i would wipe out my tub then set it up and let it sit for a few minutes for air to settle. But yeah i can't believe i haven't set myself on fire a bunch, mainly iso coated gloves while lighting a torch It's a game i like to play called "Oweee or agar!"
Still flameable 
I've lit my hands on fire once before
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Manic503
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Mr Piggy]
#25952543 - 04/24/19 10:10 AM (4 years, 9 months ago) |
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Mr Piggy said: Maybe we'd take you more seriously if you posted some results...
Fair enough. Working on it. I’m definitely nobody/noob to *posting* on these forums.
Although, if I post good results what would that change? Confirmation bias works both ways. I would say its because its a combination of sterile technique in front of an LFH *with* disinfectants. I would get then flamed on this thread that the disinfectants didn’t matter, I just have good sterile technique. In theory putting people in big SAB for surgery would work on the same principle, but I wouldn’t take the chance that MRSA/C. Diff spores/etc aren’t going to get into the work space. Why make that argument here? Risk vs. reward vs. likelihood of failure vs. consequences... philosophically identical, pragmatically a universe apart. I could argue that I just care about my work more but that would be hurtful. Not my intention.
I suppose I could try two grows, one with disinfectants and one without, as a kind of experiment but:
1. I don’t care that much. 2. I don’t think you do either. 3. Glad everyone is having great grows and have already acknowledged that. 4. Arguing that risk-reduction practices don’t reduce risk is somewhat fun but not likely to get me any friends on here...
So, definitely going to start posting results, no reason to take me seriously otherwise. However, as far as this argument goes, won’t change a thing. Cheers!
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Manic503]
#25952564 - 04/24/19 10:23 AM (4 years, 9 months ago) |
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Well some things would change. Atleast if you're someone with pretty consistent results, people are more inclined to believe you and take your observations more seriously(to a point). You also would have had this discussion a few times and maybe tried without, giving your POV more credence.
The surgery analogy is imperfect. SAB will only work up to a certain size. At some point it becomes too large and contains some airflow inside of it. This is why no one makes a "Still Air Room", the physics just won't allow an entire room to be still. Plus surgeons have to get inside you, over you, move around the table; you don't really need more than a knife blade over your work for a moment in myco work. So yes surgery has to rely on chemical sanitizers and air scrubbers. They're 2 very different scenarios.
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: LtLurker] 1
#25952569 - 04/24/19 10:28 AM (4 years, 9 months ago) |
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Manic503 said: but doing that correlates with 0 contams so I do it just to feel better.
Some people pray, I use bleach. Lol
Correlation is not causation. Physics is our best tool, not chemistry
No argument on both points but since I am not running some double blind experiment to determine whether the well established fact that a 10% bleach solution kills mold spores or not, I don’t see your point (anecdotally, its a correlation, academically its kindergarten).
People don’t want to “waste” the time or energy cleaning for whatever reason? Cool. You do you. But stating that cleaning your work area with a disinfectant won’t reduce (not to be confused with “eliminate”) the risk of contams is absurd. This has been drilled to death in other threads. Peace my brethren. Cheers!
Considering that everyone here posts great results and understands how sterile technique works, maybe we're right about SAB work?
Maybe we'd take you more seriously if you posted some results...
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LtLurker said: Well some things would change. Atleast if you're someone with pretty consistent results, people are more inclined to believe you and take your observations more seriously(to a point). You also would have had this discussion a few times and maybe tried without, giving your POV more credence.
The surgery analogy is imperfect. SAB will only work up to a certain size. At some point it becomes too large and contains some airflow inside of it. This is why no one makes a "Still Air Room", the physics just won't allow an entire room to be still. Plus surgeons have to get inside you, over you, move around the table; you don't really need more than a knife blade over your work for a moment in myco work. So yes surgery has to rely on chemical sanitizers and air scrubbers. They're 2 very different scenarios.
You had me at "surgeons have to get inside you" sigh... the dream....
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: LtLurker]
#25952596 - 04/24/19 10:47 AM (4 years, 9 months ago) |
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LtLurker said: Well some things would change. Atleast if you're someone with pretty consistent results, people are more inclined to believe you and take your observations more seriously(to a point). You also would have had this discussion a few times and maybe tried without, giving your POV more credence.
The surgery analogy is imperfect. SAB will only work up to a certain size. At some point it becomes too large and contains some airflow inside of it. This is why no one makes a "Still Air Room", the physics just won't allow an entire room to be still. Plus surgeons have to get inside you, over you, move around the table; you don't really need more than a knife blade over your work for a moment in myco work. So yes surgery has to rely on chemical sanitizers and air scrubbers. They're 2 very different scenarios.
Totally acknowledge and appreciate the first point even if that is an “appeal to authority” type argument. My street cred is nada. All good. Gotta start somewhere...
The second point, I was thinking like putting a SAB just over an arm or a hand for a specific procedure, not full body surgery. This is what I mean about confirmation bias. All things being equal, we can look at the same results and come to different conclusions. SAB of the same dimensions and conditions, one for mushies and another to re-attach a finger or something... both might go without a hitch, no contams... *but* I think people are much more likely to bet some BRF/Verm pints then they are their jerking hand on the outcome when it comes to disinfectants. It might only improve odds a small fraction but it will improve them. Not really arguing if it’s worth it or not. That’s a personal philosophical question, I guess. Someone struggling with contams might find it makes the difference between having a successful grow or not. Doesn’t sound like anyone here is having a contams problem so I’m not trying to convert anyone. Rather, making the nuanced point that disinfectants *can* reduce risk and whether or not its worth the extra effort depends on how critical the outcome is. Valar morghulis!
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Edited by Manic503 (04/24/19 12:03 PM)
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