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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Caps McGee]
#25922928 - 04/08/19 11:24 AM (4 years, 9 months ago) |
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My first ever unmodified tub is pinning! I did notice there are a more side pins than surface pins currently. I just left the tub alone and didn’t mist it as the coir seemed to be well hydrated and was at field capacity when I started. For the next flush, how would I better prevent side pinning? I know I have to dial in my surface moisture, does that mean keeping it so I can generally see droplets of water on the surface? Thanks for any help!
Edited by ibuprofemin (04/08/19 11:25 AM)
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: ibuprofemin]
#25922943 - 04/08/19 11:28 AM (4 years, 9 months ago) |
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Next flush will likely have side pins anyway... I'd suspect you were over feild capacity initially and this contributed to early shrinking/microclimate against the sides... I'd suggest spawning your next run slightly dryer, and tamping the edges a bit at spawn... this will help with shrinking... also, take the time to level the surface as best as possible... allow evaporation to occur between mistings to stimulate pinning and avoid over-saturating the substrate...
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Caps McGee]
#25922954 - 04/08/19 11:31 AM (4 years, 9 months ago) |
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Caps McGee said: Next flush will likely have side pins anyway... I'd suspect you were over feild capacity initially and this contributed to early shrinking/microclimate against the sides... I'd suggest spawning your next run slightly dryer, and tamping the edges a bit at spawn... this will help with shrinking... also, take the time to level the surface as best as possible... allow evaporation to occur between mistings to stimulate pinning and avoid over-saturating the substrate...
Right on, thanks for the advice! Got some grain jars w PR going so hopefully will be ready for another tub soon, learning a bunch from this. My coir initially would only have water come out if I were to give it a tight squeeze - this is what’s I’m looking for, yea? I suspect a lot of this probably has to do with how I set up the surface. Will be better next time! Also gonna try to clone one of these bad boys, I’ve got a pretty huge pin on the surface that may end up nice!
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: ibuprofemin]
#25922968 - 04/08/19 11:35 AM (4 years, 9 months ago) |
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I’m also assuming misting at the pinning stage isn’t beneficial, yea?
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: ibuprofemin]
#25922971 - 04/08/19 11:37 AM (4 years, 9 months ago) |
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Legend21 said: Any of these look suspect to you guys?

I’m not too happy with how they look. They are all PEU. Just had a B tub contam before first flush so trying to be extra careful. I’ve never had that happen before so it’s weird. Maybe because it’s downstream from my grow tent exhaust lol
yes.
Funguy, that jar wont make it.
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ibuprofemin said:
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Caps McGee said: Next flush will likely have side pins anyway... I'd suspect you were over feild capacity initially and this contributed to early shrinking/microclimate against the sides... I'd suggest spawning your next run slightly dryer, and tamping the edges a bit at spawn... this will help with shrinking... also, take the time to level the surface as best as possible... allow evaporation to occur between mistings to stimulate pinning and avoid over-saturating the substrate...
Right on, thanks for the advice! Got some grain jars w PR going so hopefully will be ready for another tub soon, learning a bunch from this. My coir initially would only have water come out if I were to give it a tight squeeze - this is what’s I’m looking for, yea? I suspect a lot of this probably has to do with how I set up the surface. Will be better next time! Also gonna try to clone one of these bad boys, I’ve got a pretty huge pin on the surface that may end up nice!
Chances are it's because you used an unmodified tub. My climate is too dry for that shiz and it's sidepin city every time.. Make a real dialed in monotub. "Water cones out when i give it a tight squeeze is vague. Look up ziran's of tek, he made good gifs showing proper field capacity vs too wet
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: tryptkaloids]
#25923065 - 04/08/19 12:26 PM (4 years, 9 months ago) |
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tryptkaloids said:
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Legend21 said: Any of these look suspect to you guys?

I’m not too happy with how they look. They are all PEU. Just had a B tub contam before first flush so trying to be extra careful. I’ve never had that happen before so it’s weird. Maybe because it’s downstream from my grow tent exhaust lol
yes.
I guess I should just keep working the plates then, or toss them? They’re just super thick and raised in some areas.
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Legend21]
#25923087 - 04/08/19 12:35 PM (4 years, 9 months ago) |
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Those personally look like more work than they are worth. If it's all you have keep on keeping on, but i'd start from spore
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: tryptkaloids]
#25923090 - 04/08/19 12:37 PM (4 years, 9 months ago) |
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tryptkaloids said:
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Legend21 said: Any of these look suspect to you guys?

I’m not too happy with how they look. They are all PEU. Just had a B tub contam before first flush so trying to be extra careful. I’ve never had that happen before so it’s weird. Maybe because it’s downstream from my grow tent exhaust lol
yes.
Funguy, that jar wont make it.
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ibuprofemin said:
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Caps McGee said: Next flush will likely have side pins anyway... I'd suspect you were over feild capacity initially and this contributed to early shrinking/microclimate against the sides... I'd suggest spawning your next run slightly dryer, and tamping the edges a bit at spawn... this will help with shrinking... also, take the time to level the surface as best as possible... allow evaporation to occur between mistings to stimulate pinning and avoid over-saturating the substrate...
Right on, thanks for the advice! Got some grain jars w PR going so hopefully will be ready for another tub soon, learning a bunch from this. My coir initially would only have water come out if I were to give it a tight squeeze - this is what’s I’m looking for, yea? I suspect a lot of this probably has to do with how I set up the surface. Will be better next time! Also gonna try to clone one of these bad boys, I’ve got a pretty huge pin on the surface that may end up nice!
Chances are it's because you used an unmodified tub. My climate is too dry for that shiz and it's sidepin city every time.. Make a real dialed in monotub. "Water cones out when i give it a tight squeeze is vague. Look up ziran's of tek, he made good gifs showing proper field capacity vs too wet
Yea, basically had some drops of water come out when I’d give it a good squeeze, if I picked up the substrate it wouldn’t drip water unless I squeezed it. Think I probably could do better on surface moisture for next flush. May have been a bit too dry. Once pinning starts do you stop misting? Wanna do better on next flush. Fun learning experience for sure.
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: tryptkaloids]
#25923094 - 04/08/19 12:40 PM (4 years, 9 months ago) |
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tryptkaloids said: Those personally look like more work than they are worth. If it's all you have keep on keeping on, but i'd start from spore
I hear you I’ll start back from square one. These were started from spore and it took forever to get some good ones to germinate but that’s the process lol I’ll start some new ones.
For some reason I get great spore germination on pasty plates but not regular MEA on Petries
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Legend21]
#25923440 - 04/08/19 03:57 PM (4 years, 9 months ago) |
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Question: Can I just take the lid off my shoeboxes in my martha if I keep the temp/rh regulated or is this a bad idea? If so, is 73f/40%RH good for this?
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If youre running a Martha set up, should be fine
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I just nocced up my first 10 RW qts. Got another 10 to go, and a dozen pints for some of MushroomNate's APE. Haven't done any SAB work in a while.
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Failboat]
#25923546 - 04/08/19 05:07 PM (4 years, 9 months ago) |
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Did SAB work earlier. Forgot how quick and easy pasties are. Don't even need gloves anymore just swab swab done. Haven't done anything myco in a bit, for the most part. It's ridiculous how easy it is to do all this.
I say that now..
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Adden]
#25923558 - 04/08/19 05:13 PM (4 years, 9 months ago) |
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Nice dude, I love pasty plates. I always forget how easy they are to whip up until I, well, whip em up! Whatcha swabbin over there?
I just ordered an APE syringe from one of the vendors Haven't ordered anything from a vendor in ages. I'm so pumped to work with APE again
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: ibuprofemin]
#25923568 - 04/08/19 05:18 PM (4 years, 9 months ago) |
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ibuprofemin said:
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tryptkaloids said:
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Legend21 said: Any of these look suspect to you guys?

I’m not too happy with how they look. They are all PEU. Just had a B tub contam before first flush so trying to be extra careful. I’ve never had that happen before so it’s weird. Maybe because it’s downstream from my grow tent exhaust lol
yes.
Funguy, that jar wont make it.
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ibuprofemin said:
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Caps McGee said: Next flush will likely have side pins anyway... I'd suspect you were over feild capacity initially and this contributed to early shrinking/microclimate against the sides... I'd suggest spawning your next run slightly dryer, and tamping the edges a bit at spawn... this will help with shrinking... also, take the time to level the surface as best as possible... allow evaporation to occur between mistings to stimulate pinning and avoid over-saturating the substrate...
Right on, thanks for the advice! Got some grain jars w PR going so hopefully will be ready for another tub soon, learning a bunch from this. My coir initially would only have water come out if I were to give it a tight squeeze - this is what’s I’m looking for, yea? I suspect a lot of this probably has to do with how I set up the surface. Will be better next time! Also gonna try to clone one of these bad boys, I’ve got a pretty huge pin on the surface that may end up nice!
Chances are it's because you used an unmodified tub. My climate is too dry for that shiz and it's sidepin city every time.. Make a real dialed in monotub. "Water cones out when i give it a tight squeeze is vague. Look up ziran's of tek, he made good gifs showing proper field capacity vs too wet
Yea, basically had some drops of water come out when I’d give it a good squeeze, if I picked up the substrate it wouldn’t drip water unless I squeezed it. Think I probably could do better on surface moisture for next flush. May have been a bit too dry. Once pinning starts do you stop misting? Wanna do better on next flush. Fun learning experience for sure.
i'm having the same problem with those shiny edges s: , can't shake em
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: dmppb] 1
#25923627 - 04/08/19 05:51 PM (4 years, 9 months ago) |
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Shiny edges are just a microscopic leading edge, nothing to worry about. It's how it looks all grainy im concerned about
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: tryptkaloids]
#25923726 - 04/08/19 06:42 PM (4 years, 9 months ago) |
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Yeah I’ve always had shiny edges but like tryp says that’s all good. I just don’t like how some parts are raised and it’s super thick. Seems like every time I work with penis envy I get some super thick looking mycelium though.. I have more plates and jars from earlier transfers that look good though so might have just fucked up somewhere down the line.
Here’s one jar that I think looks pretty good

This is that thick shit how PE usually ends up though just looks funky
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Legend21] 1
#25923911 - 04/08/19 08:47 PM (4 years, 9 months ago) |
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They both look bacterial to me
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Caps McGee]
#25923937 - 04/08/19 09:06 PM (4 years, 9 months ago) |
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My PEU jars always grow thick like that. They can be a real bitch to break up.

Both MS PEU and this clone ended up with the super thick mycelium
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: sh4d0ws]
#25923961 - 04/08/19 09:31 PM (4 years, 9 months ago) |
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So I remembered what that jar was!!! It is Lions Mane! Its looks juicy because the agar i used was so wet and jiggly it barely stuck together (its red, I only used red for my LM). It looked healthy and I even made a transfer (too soon to view T3, not enough growth), then did the A2G, also did agar to substrate (to test the method for LM). Going to do G2G, then G2S with this jar.
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