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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: ShaperDreaming]
    #25902187 - 03/28/19 01:53 PM (4 years, 9 months ago)

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Hmm... so, after doing a little poking around and now that I have a bit more experience, I'm thinking about trying that easy LC tek of pasty's.

Does LI/LC need gas exchange? I'm wondering if I can take a colonized agar wedge and just drop it into a jar of sterile water (unmodified mason jar lid)? I don't mess around with modded lids outside of simple polyfill into holes, and I kinda thought I'd have to for LI/LC, but ... maybe not?




Unmodified will work but it’s going to run out of air fairly quick, so you’re better off turning the wedge into an LI rather than an LC


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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: tryptkaloids]
    #25902203 - 03/28/19 01:58 PM (4 years, 9 months ago)

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@shaper, colonizing lc doesn't need ge, but it's best to have a good filter on a modded lid. Helps avoid a vaccume which can fuck you over.



So like... it'll sort of seal itself closed as it consumes the oxygen?

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LINK you can buy 12 and get them cheaper ... these are the cheapest I have found cause they come with the seal ring other lids ar e like 5 plus the rings... lc is a nute liquid and li is just water



HOLY SHIT, this is awesome! Is that clear plastic part a vent? Thanks for this!


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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: ShaperDreaming]
    #25902205 - 03/28/19 02:00 PM (4 years, 9 months ago)

No that's the dealer ring you just pop that under the lid it will squeeze tight between the filter and injection port


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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Boogieman47]
    #25902209 - 03/28/19 02:03 PM (4 years, 9 months ago)

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No that's the dealer ring you just pop that under the lid it will squeeze tight between the filter and injection port




Sorry, I think we're talking about different things. This thing on the left I circled:



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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: ShaperDreaming]
    #25902213 - 03/28/19 02:06 PM (4 years, 9 months ago)

Oh ok that's the filter/vent you're right ...


Honestly if you have never done lc and want fast mushrooms I would do as trypt said clean to agar to your bottles... well I would go to grain and g2g a bunch store the ones I'm not using in fridge and rotate .. I make lc when I am in a hurry cause agar to grain on ms is like 15 to 30 days sometimes before you can g2g .. and LC is done in at least 10


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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Boogieman47]
    #25902228 - 03/28/19 02:14 PM (4 years, 9 months ago)

If you don’t care about expanding. Just do spores -> agar -> LI -> cakes. Skip cleaning all together since it’s speed is more important than stability and quantity. Using an LI will work faster than just out right spores to cakes.


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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: ShaperDreaming]
    #25902249 - 03/28/19 02:26 PM (4 years, 9 months ago)

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How good are BRF cakes at taking LI/LC? I don't think I've read anyone's experiences with that. If they take it well then you could just make a ton of LI/LC and go to BRF from there (same as my muda bottle idea).



Cakes take LC's and LI's just fine. I think at this point in the process, there wouldn't be much time difference between noccing & fruiting a muda bottle and noccing & top fruiting a brf cake. Would be more the growers preference which to inoculate with it imo.


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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Boogieman47]
    #25902271 - 03/28/19 02:37 PM (4 years, 9 months ago)

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Honestly if you have never done lc and want fast mushrooms I would do as trypt said clean to agar to your bottles... well I would go to grain and g2g a bunch store the ones I'm not using in fridge and rotate .. I make lc when I am in a hurry cause agar to grain on ms is like 15 to 30 days sometimes before you can g2g .. and LC is done in at least 10



I mean... this is basically what I currently do. I was thinking it would be fun to mess around with something new. Everything I've researched pointed to me that for my level of investment in the hobby that LI/LC is more a vector for contam than anything.

Also, I only use muda bottles for gourmets, so I was also thinking that LC->muda with some gourmet myc would be fun too. I think that would be a fast way to noc up a lot of jars with hard wood in it, since the grain approach hasn't gone so well (hard to mix them together). Also this would allow me to expand to bags pretty easily too.


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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: ShaperDreaming]
    #25902291 - 03/28/19 02:50 PM (4 years, 9 months ago)

Still fun to learn it. LC doesn't seem to cut down much on overall time ime. It takes about as long to colonize as the time you trim off the jars you innoc with it.

LI probably faster all together, but you can't grow it out to inoculate a ton of jars with it like you could with LC.


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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: LtLurker]
    #25902303 - 03/28/19 02:56 PM (4 years, 9 months ago)

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LI probably faster all together, but you can't grow it out to inoculate a ton of jars with it like you could with LC.



Ok... I think I'm confused again. Can you link me to a LI tek that's for dummies (or anyone)? I think I'm going to try to learn this for edible gourmets! Unless you are trying to say that LC is better but LI is faster, in that case never mind and I'll try pastey's tek.


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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: ShaperDreaming]
    #25902327 - 03/28/19 03:13 PM (4 years, 9 months ago)

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If you don’t care about expanding. Just do spores -> agar -> LI -> cakes. Skip cleaning all together since it’s speed is more important than stability and quantity. Using an LI will work faster than just out right spores to cakes.



Cleaning is essential, especially for going to liquids....

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LI probably faster all together, but you can't grow it out to inoculate a ton of jars with it like you could with LC.



Ok... I think I'm confused again. Can you link me to a LI tek that's for dummies (or anyone)? I think I'm going to try to learn this for edible gourmets! Unless you are trying to say that LC is better but LI is faster, in that case never mind and I'll try pastey's tek.



LI is agar that has been pulverized in sterile water. Either via blender or shaking a sealed jar.
Lc is less risky without a proper oster blender


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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: ShaperDreaming]
    #25902332 - 03/28/19 03:15 PM (4 years, 9 months ago)

When I did pastys ez lc tek. I didnt use moded lids. I dont think. I'd have to look through my pics.


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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Yesum]
    #25902339 - 03/28/19 03:22 PM (4 years, 9 months ago)

Pasty's EZ LC. LC is basically an agar recipe without the agar so myc will grow in it. It's an effective way to turn one plate into a large amount of innoculant rather quickly.
https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/23740857

Munch's blenderless LI. Just like trypt described. advantages of a liquid without the wait, little more limited in how much you can innoc.
https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/22833314/fpart/1/vc/1


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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: ShaperDreaming]
    #25902343 - 03/28/19 03:23 PM (4 years, 9 months ago)

Would be much easier to to with single piece lids.
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So like... it'll sort of seal itself closed as it consumes the oxygen?




No, i mean the lid will seal to the jar in the pc


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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: LtLurker]
    #25902348 - 03/28/19 03:25 PM (4 years, 9 months ago)

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Pasty's EZ LC. LC is basically an agar recipe without the agar so myc will grow in it.



This is a misunderstanding. Its a heavy nute agar recipe (with the agar) then you transfer to it and add sterile water


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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: tryptkaloids]
    #25902357 - 03/28/19 03:29 PM (4 years, 9 months ago)

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Pasty's EZ LC. LC is basically an agar recipe without the agar so myc will grow in it.



This is a misunderstanding. Its a heavy nute agar recipe (with the agar) then you transfer to it and add sterile water



Yea you're right. It is a little more similar to an LI at the top.

If you get to the bottom, you'll see jars with GW and Potato Flake/Karo added, instead of just water, growing more like a LC.


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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: LtLurker]
    #25902378 - 03/28/19 03:44 PM (4 years, 9 months ago)

From my understanding the nutes in the agar leech into the sterile water.. Maybe I'm wrong?


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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: LtLurker]
    #25902385 - 03/28/19 03:46 PM (4 years, 9 months ago)

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Munch's blenderless LI. Just like trypt described. advantages of a liquid without the wait, little more limited in how much you can innoc.
https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/22833314/fpart/1/vc/1




This guy makes me feel like I keep my shit pretty clean! :rofl:

Question: Do I need to sterilize the jar/lid before I use it for Munch's? If so, what's the procedures for that? Wrap it in foil (lid off) at 15psi for 20 min?


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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: ShaperDreaming]
    #25902392 - 03/28/19 03:50 PM (4 years, 9 months ago)

No, that's correct


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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: tryptkaloids]
    #25902395 - 03/28/19 03:53 PM (4 years, 9 months ago)

This is the way I always did. TV casualty over from mycotopia.
I remember  because I was growing back then and thought it was fucking brilliant
https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/10648149

Theres different lids and jars ppl have made too. Like Ghetto little Elderbrack Blender. Or whatever therr called.

I made a tribal jar. It worked for a few times but my pressure cooker killed it eventually. I didnt build it tough enough. :lol:

I'm gonna see if I can find a pic of that beast I made.

I cant find it. Here's a LI jar though. With the oster blades


Edited by Yesum (03/28/19 04:06 PM)


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