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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: LtLurker]
#25893800 - 03/24/19 12:12 PM (4 years, 10 months ago) |
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Oh shit I bet you're right, I've been fucking up my field capacity lately. Thank you
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: FriedEgg]
#25893802 - 03/24/19 12:13 PM (4 years, 10 months ago) |
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tryptkaloids said: Do you not have any outdoor outlets? If not i would run it through the window and stuff a blanket in the crack for insulation
that's a great idea
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J. Jack Flash said: extension cords are another matter. shouldn't use them for much. a single dehydrator would probably be ok, but don't multiup. higher amp extension cords exist, but people usually don't have them because they're heavy and more costly. again, gauge determines ampacity, but extension cords don't cool as efficiently because of the extra insulation, so heavier gauge is required per amp.
where's caps? he's a legit electrician?
uhoh... i'm running two dehydrators on a single 16ga(?) extension cord splitter. i'll go buy another one.
could you imagine if you load up your dehydrators, go out for the night, and then come home to your house burnt to the ground? (with the cops there too)
https://www.ius.edu/environmental-health-safety/files/power-cord-safety.pdf based on this, i amend my statement. 16ga extension cord would likely be fine for two 600w dehydrators.
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Psicomb]
#25893808 - 03/24/19 12:15 PM (4 years, 10 months ago) |
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You cant run 15 amps continuously on a 15 amp breaker. You can run about 80% of the breakers capacity for a continuous duty which is about 1500 watts. You can run 15 amps/1800 watts for a short time without flipping the breaker but not for very long.
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Psicomb]
#25893824 - 03/24/19 12:25 PM (4 years, 10 months ago) |
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Psicomvb said: Whoops wrong pic. that tub is also kinda aborting but not as bad as this one:

My shoebox did it super bad, I expected to harvest a canopy today when I came home from my 2 day vacay and instead there were like 6 large ones and the rest looks dead af and is even fuzzing over a lil. Not at home to take a pic but you get the idea
Edit: it is multispore but I've run MS tubs and shoeboxes for a while now without it being like this.. eh maybe it is a shit culture...
Looks way too wet from over here, how did you prep your coir?
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: hamonz]
#25893827 - 03/24/19 12:29 PM (4 years, 10 months ago) |
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I believe I did about 3.25qt per 650g brick (I weighed the coir out to 650g) and it was def oversaturated so I tried to squeeze out the water to the appropriate level but I was off judging by this situation. I have been trying to do just coir for like 6 months now, rather than Damien's tek with vermiculite, but I have been consistently having trouble figuring out the right amount of water to use for coir. Some days my luck getting it right is better than others. I frequently end up oversaturated when I follow what others recommend for coir (like 4qt water to 800g) but never had this problem when I used vermiculite and coir. I need to go buy some.
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Psicomb]
#25893832 - 03/24/19 12:31 PM (4 years, 10 months ago) |
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i use 1 brick coir 3 qts verm and 5 qts water per 5 qts of spawn
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: tripdawg420]
#25893865 - 03/24/19 12:46 PM (4 years, 10 months ago) |
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1 brick for 3 qts of H2o
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Mr. Funguy]
#25893879 - 03/24/19 12:52 PM (4 years, 10 months ago) |
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Coir is insanely inconsistent when it comes to moisture retention. Forget measurements and add verm to field capacity if necessary
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: sandman420]
#25893902 - 03/24/19 01:05 PM (4 years, 10 months ago) |
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sandman420 said: You cant run 15 amps continuously on a 15 amp breaker. You can run about 80% of the breakers capacity for a continuous duty which is about 1500 watts. You can run 15 amps/1800 watts for a short time without flipping the breaker but not for very long.
well, technically you *can* but i guess it's not wise. i've been running 20 amps on a 20 amp circuit for the past 24 hours with no problems. i've done that dozens of times and the breaker has never tripped. i plan on spreading them out over 2 circuits though just to be safe.
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: FriedEgg]
#25893910 - 03/24/19 01:09 PM (4 years, 10 months ago) |
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I bet your line voltage is lower than 120 volts so you aren't actually running 20 amps that you think you are. You probably have lower wall voltage closer to 110 volts. It is definitely unwise, unsafe and downright idiotic to run your breaker at capacity continuously.
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: sandman420]
#25893946 - 03/24/19 01:20 PM (4 years, 10 months ago) |
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sandman420 said: downright idiotic
not if you want to dry an entire basket of shrooms before they go bad!
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: FriedEgg]
#25893957 - 03/24/19 01:24 PM (4 years, 10 months ago) |
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Seriously though that's not safe. The fact that your breaker is not tripping running it at capacity for 24 hours, if your wall voltage is actually 120 volts, signals that there is a major problem with your wiring and it is unsafe.
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: tryptkaloids]
#25894001 - 03/24/19 01:41 PM (4 years, 10 months ago) |
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If you guys could take a guess, do you think all these aborts are from not getting enough fae in the tubs? I harvested like 15 decent sized shrooms but the rest look like they're not growing at all.
I'm seriously considering running a fan on low facing the inside of my walk in closet (grow area) because I really feel it is too packed in there with monos to allow proper FAE. I have had a few other tubs go from awesome pinset to abort city.
My closet hasn't been this stuffed before so maybe that's part of the problem..... I believe I did about 3.25qt per 650g brick (I weighed the coir out to 650g) and it was def oversaturated so I tried to squeeze out the water to the appropriate level but I was off judging by this situation. I have been trying to do just coir for like 6 months now, rather than Damien's tek with vermiculite, but I have been consistently having trouble figuring out the right amount of water to use for coir. Some days my luck getting it right is better than others. I frequently end up oversaturated when I follow what others recommend for coir (like 4qt water to 800g) but never had this problem when I used vermiculite and coir. I need to go buy some.
bro , i feel your pain ; 
this tub look very similar to problems i've had ; good pinset , then stops mid way and aborts dark small caps fat short stems i've read it means too much water and i had that constantly that when i winged my water content ; it also could mean bacteria but the curly caps is consistent ( with me ) when i used to pillow tek and not squeeze out enough ;
i also immediately thought about increasing fae but that only fucked it more , my fae settings are now back to regular , which is nothing in a room with no windows just 2 6 inch holes in the wall and my tubs although bacterial are pumping out some good fruits ; room HR 30 to 40 % no fan
my humble opinion would be to harvest , let dry , re hydrate and neglect ; hope for the best and start over ; focus on the formula , the fae wouldn't help that much
i also had the same situation with too wet coir while doing 3qts X 650gs block ( bucket tek ) , so i got it down to 2.5 - 3 qts , and boiled some water in case i needed to add more when it comes out and it varies till getting the squeeze drops you want
thats where it gets personal i guess 
and although i love verm i want to cut it , i mean , it's shown possible   
aaaand pics ; super uneven flush but pins still developed , still getting the leucistic looking fellers mazatepecs
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: dmppb]
#25894080 - 03/24/19 02:10 PM (4 years, 10 months ago) |
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: tryptkaloids]
#25894138 - 03/24/19 02:28 PM (4 years, 10 months ago) |
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tryptkaloids said: Coir is insanely inconsistent when it comes to moisture retention. Forget measurements and add verm to field capacity if necessary
Ah I had no clue that it varies in retention. I really like that idea of adding verm.
Thanks for the detailed post, dmppb
Edited by Psicomb (03/24/19 02:34 PM)
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: sandman420]
#25894149 - 03/24/19 02:32 PM (4 years, 10 months ago) |
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sandman420 said: Seriously though that's not safe. The fact that your breaker is not tripping running it at capacity for 24 hours, if your wall voltage is actually 120 volts, signals that there is a major problem with your wiring and it is unsafe.
this is why discussion benefits all. i would dispute this.
https://blog.schneider-electric.com/datacenter/power-and-cooling/2014/06/12/clearing-confusion-80-vs-100-rated-circuit-breakers/
we're getting into duty cycle here. NEC states continuous as three hours or more uninterrupted load. so in that way, you're right. it's against code to run them at that wattage(current) continuously. a 20A breaker should only be used to carry 16A continuously.
however, with our dehydrators, only the fans run continuously, right? their draw is minimal. the heating elements cycle on and off, and so are not truly continuous. could be wrong here, as i'm not familiar with all dehydrators. i know for sure mine cycles on and off quite a lot.
this part, i'm starting to talk outta my ass: if we can assume from the 80% rating that a duty cycle of 80% is a valid performance criterion, duty cycle calculation goes like this: measure the number of minutes out of ten that current draw is at nominal rated current and multiply by ten. if the result is 80 or less, it's within code and assumed safe. i'm sure that's not exactly right, but it's reasonable.
thanks sandman. learning is fun.
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Psicomb]
#25894184 - 03/24/19 02:48 PM (4 years, 10 months ago) |
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tryptkaloids said: Coir is insanely inconsistent when it comes to moisture retention. Forget measurements and add verm to field capacity if necessary
Ah I had no clue that it varies in retention. I really like that idea of adding verm.
Thanks for the detailed post, dmppb..!
trypt is right ; secure your moisture content , over wet causes serious trouble
one thing though , verm is "clean" but once you open the sack and is sitting around could be a vector for contam if you add post hydrating your coir , right ?
best case scenario is to not add anything that hasn't been cooked , cleaned pasteurized or whatever , right ?
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: dmppb] 1
#25894203 - 03/24/19 02:57 PM (4 years, 10 months ago) |
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After I soak a brick, I oven bag them for each shoebox/tub I'm making material for, throw it in the oven for 2hrs at 300. Let cool over night, then deposit. Keeps moisture and haven't had any issues at all.
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Mr. Funguy]
#25894233 - 03/24/19 03:07 PM (4 years, 10 months ago) |
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Mr. Funguy said: After I soak a brick, I oven bag them for each shoebox/tub I'm making material for, throw it in the oven for 2hrs at 300. Let cool over night, then deposit. Keeps moisture and haven't had any issues at all.
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Psicomb]
#25894237 - 03/24/19 03:10 PM (4 years, 10 months ago) |
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dmppb said: verm is "clean" but once you open the sack and is sitting around could be a vector for contam if you add post hydrating your coir , right ?
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Psicomvb said: Ah I had no clue that it varies in retention.
It has to do with things like how well it was ground, pressed, heated and soil/rock/bark content
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