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bodhisatta 
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: juniperus]
#25893346 - 03/24/19 07:51 AM (4 years, 10 months ago) |
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But i still want to know why hair driers are 1800-2100 watts and work in a regular outlet.
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: bodhisatta] 1
#25893381 - 03/24/19 08:20 AM (4 years, 10 months ago) |
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most circuits are 20A these days, amiright?
in aid of finding those separate circuits. plug your equipment into a circuit and see if it trips. if it doesn't, problem solved. if it does, remove one device and plug in to other receptacles until it turns on.
600W/120V=5A. you can get three on a 15A circuit. four on a 20A circuit if little else is running on it. so, maybe not in the kitchen. 20A*120V=2400W. here's princess vespa's industrial hairdryer.
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J. Jack Flash said: most circuits are 20A these days, amiright?
in aid of finding those separate circuits. plug your equipment into a circuit and see if it trips. if it doesn't, problem solved. if it does, remove one device and plug in to other receptacles until it turns on.
600W/120V=5A. you can get three on a 15A circuit. four on a 20A circuit if little else is running on it. so, maybe not in the kitchen. 20A*120V=2400W. here's princess vespa's industrial hairdryer.
how do i know what size circuit i have? i have 4 of them running in the garage right now on the same circuit (but different outlets) and it's been going fine. if i have a 20 amp circuit that means i'm running it at the max (4 dehydrators * 5 amps) and that's not a good thing i guess... i'll spread it out to a different circuit. edit: nevermind. i looked in the breaker box and it says 20 amps. thanks everyone.
Edited by FriedEgg (03/24/19 09:05 AM)
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: FriedEgg]
#25893426 - 03/24/19 09:04 AM (4 years, 10 months ago) |
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In America almost everything is 15a. Go go your breaker box and look at the breakers
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: FriedEgg]
#25893432 - 03/24/19 09:06 AM (4 years, 10 months ago) |
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now i just need to figure out how to get an extension cord from a bedroom out to the garage while still being able to close the door.
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Inocuole]
#25893462 - 03/24/19 09:23 AM (4 years, 10 months ago) |
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Chitwian finally starting to fruit they look white albnio is this normal color any thoughts suggestion input be greatly appreciated
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: FriedEgg]
#25893463 - 03/24/19 09:25 AM (4 years, 10 months ago) |
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FriedEgg said: now i just need to figure out how to get an extension cord from a bedroom out to the garage while still being able to close the door.
Do you not have any outdoor outlets? If not i would run it through the window and stuff a blanket in the crack for insulation
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Firstttimer]
#25893469 - 03/24/19 09:26 AM (4 years, 10 months ago) |
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UniverseExplorer78 said: Chitwian finally starting to fruit they look white albnio is this normal color any thoughts suggestion input be greatly appreciated
Shits dry as fuck. Give it a mist.
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: FriedEgg]
#25893496 - 03/24/19 09:38 AM (4 years, 10 months ago) |
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my house was built during the great depression. all my breakers are 20A, aside from the 240V circuits. checking the box is the way to know.
there's safety factors built into everything. running a circuit at capacity isn't dangerous, assuming the wiring is to code, and the breakers function as designed. gauge determines ampacity. 12awg wire for 20A circuits. 14awg for 15A circuits. if it doesn't trip, it's safe.
extension cords are another matter. shouldn't use them for much. a single dehydrator would probably be ok, but don't multiup. higher amp extension cords exist, but people usually don't have them because they're heavy and more costly. again, gauge determines ampacity, but extension cords don't cool as efficiently because of the extra insulation, so heavier gauge is required per amp.
where's caps? he's a legit electrician?
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Someone put breakers in they we're not using breakers during the depression. Someone opted to put 20s in probably because they assumed bigger is better yeeehawww texas style.
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: bodhisatta]
#25893522 - 03/24/19 09:46 AM (4 years, 10 months ago) |
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indeed. the actual setup is scary (and frustrating) for other reasons. but i'm confident the electrical updates were to code at the time the breaker box was installed. i have been all up in that box numerous times.
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Nothing wrong with 20a breakers if you're using the for 20a appliances. you could put a bunch in your panel all up to code. If you put in all 20a breakers and use them for regular 15a stuff they don't afford you any protection. If a short circuit happens and you have a bunch of lights or motors running rated for 15a they could be damaged or destroyed before the breaker kicks off if they're on a 20a service.
You can actually use incandescent light bulbs as makeshift circuit breakers. 15a bulbs blow and open a circuit if the draw goes over their 15a rating. Same thing the windings in a motor would act as makeshift circuit breakers if the circuit they're on has a breaker rated too high.
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: bodhisatta]
#25893638 - 03/24/19 10:50 AM (4 years, 10 months ago) |
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our understandings differ. tl;dr: breakers don't protect equipment. rather, they protect users and wiring from electrocution and fire.
an electrical load is a function of its design. resistance in DC, impedance in AC. wattage ratings of bulbs and motors and such are nominal, for their designed voltage. current, and therefore wattage are dependent on load and voltage.
so what? equipment isn't rated for current per se. the current is dependent on the voltage, which in north america is 110-120V at a typical receptacle. at whatever voltage, the current thru a load will be what it will be, varying as a function of the voltage. plug a 120V vacuum cleaner into a 240V outlet. what's its wattage then? vastly higher than it's rated wattage, and that motor won't last long. it varies as the square of the voltage.
ex: heating element rated for 1000W at 120V. P=V^2/Resistance => Resistance of that heating element is 120^2/1000 = 14.4ohm. (VA really, but who's got time for that?) plug that 14.4 ohm into 240V and you get, 240^2/14.4 = 4000W. which will draw, 4000W/240V = 16.7 amps. that heating element will not last long trying to dissipate 4000W when it's rated to 1000W. and it will draw 16.7 amps at 240V regardless of what the breaker is rated.
all this to say, the current rating of a breaker has no effect on what current is flowing thru the wires, apart from the binary states of open/closed circuits.
i consider the above an exercise to maintain my understanding of these things, rather than to prove myself right. MEs need EE sometimes
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tryptkaloids said: Do you not have any outdoor outlets? If not i would run it through the window and stuff a blanket in the crack for insulation
that's a great idea
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J. Jack Flash said: extension cords are another matter. shouldn't use them for much. a single dehydrator would probably be ok, but don't multiup. higher amp extension cords exist, but people usually don't have them because they're heavy and more costly. again, gauge determines ampacity, but extension cords don't cool as efficiently because of the extra insulation, so heavier gauge is required per amp.
where's caps? he's a legit electrician?
uhoh... i'm running two dehydrators on a single 16ga(?) extension cord splitter. i'll go buy another one.
could you imagine if you load up your dehydrators, go out for the night, and then come home to your house burnt to the ground? (with the cops there too)
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: FriedEgg]
#25893772 - 03/24/19 12:00 PM (4 years, 10 months ago) |
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If you guys could take a guess, do you think all these aborts are from not getting enough fae in the tubs? I harvested like 15 decent sized shrooms but the rest look like they're not growing at all.
I'm seriously considering running a fan on low facing the inside of my walk in closet (grow area) because I really feel it is too packed in there with monos to allow proper FAE. I have had a few other tubs go from awesome pinset to abort city.
My closet hasn't been this stuffed before so maybe that's part of the problem.....
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Psicomb]
#25893775 - 03/24/19 12:02 PM (4 years, 10 months ago) |
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i see pins but ya u can run a fan some where near the grow area to keep air moving
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Psicomb]
#25893779 - 03/24/19 12:05 PM (4 years, 10 months ago) |
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it could just be a shitty culture or multispore issues. but you could try running a fan. point the fan away from the tubs, not towards them.
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: tripdawg420]
#25893785 - 03/24/19 12:07 PM (4 years, 10 months ago) |
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Whoops wrong pic. that tub is also kinda aborting but not as bad as this one:

My shoebox did it super bad, I expected to harvest a canopy today when I came home from my 2 day vacay and instead there were like 6 large ones and the rest looks dead af and is even fuzzing over a lil. Not at home to take a pic but you get the idea
Edit: it is multispore but I've run MS tubs and shoeboxes for a while now without it being like this.. eh maybe it is a shit culture...
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Psicomb]
#25893796 - 03/24/19 12:09 PM (4 years, 10 months ago) |
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I think that tub may be too wet. The larger caps in there are all wrinkled.
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