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The pic is not that great but looks like it's coming along pretty good ... try to get a pic that's not blurry
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Boogieman47]
#25881073 - 03/17/19 10:22 PM (4 years, 10 months ago) |
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could be better could be worse. what's the sub? trim the long pieces of straw.
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: tryptkaloids]
#25881135 - 03/17/19 11:13 PM (4 years, 10 months ago) |
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What’s with that hole configuration? For some reason it looks like there’s lots of vermiculite in there as well.
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Al Bundy]
#25881140 - 03/17/19 11:17 PM (4 years, 10 months ago) |
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I think it's just myc and the way the pic is ... yeah the holes are off but I think someone else ran em like that with great results Iam pretty sure I've seen it before
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Boogieman47]
#25881153 - 03/17/19 11:27 PM (4 years, 10 months ago) |
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Pasty runs a different style of tub with more holes that don't get plugged or taped over...I'm not sure if it's similar to that though.
Who here has tried to grow APE from swab? Is everyones experience that they get normal looking cubes from APE spores? I had been working on a swab from another shroomerite for a while but it ended up so infested with mold I couldn't get clean plates so I gave up on it cause I had some other APE spores by then..anyways one of the most recent plates I forgot to throw out and sure enough there's white pins growing on it. I'm gonna put the pins to new plates see if I can clean it up.
I had read here a few times about people getting normal looking cubes from APE swabs, so I'm kinda curious on other peoples experiences
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: sh4d0ws]
#25881158 - 03/17/19 11:32 PM (4 years, 10 months ago) |
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Yeah I do believe it was pasty now that you mention it ..
I think someone was experimenting with black tea agar if I remember correctly,, ape is a pain in the ass to clean up for damn sure
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Boogieman47]
#25882695 - 03/18/19 08:47 PM (4 years, 10 months ago) |
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Hey shroomery, its good to be back scrolling through these threads. I have spore-adically come back to this wonderfully consuming hobby after a long hiatus.
After such a long break it seems my methods have become dated because all of you have been hard at work progressing the research forward. Realizing this I have been flipping through the TC's suggested threads and picking out the updates that i should adopt. I just have a few questions and figured id just put them here so as to not start up a new redundant thread.
Currently I have about 30 pint or pint and a half jars fully colonized white millet with Mazatapecs (MS syringe to grain, then G2G). I am planning on spawning to bulk probably in the fashion of Spitball.
1)Frank suggests soaking the spawn grains, but then i fell into a thread wormhole and it seems that this spawn soak isn't widely practiced. Do you soak your spawn? And I am aware that this step should be considered for achieving field capacity on the bulk substrate.
2)I just had the pleasure of fruiting a little tray that one of my friends made with WBS->Coir/verm/cow manure/coffee. I begged him to simplify but he really wanted to follow this book he had that was probably published in the 80s. The tray was way over saturated and i was surprised to get a second flush before it contamed and just became a soggy mess. My question here is: Is it unnecessary with cubes to do anything with manure ? Also I am pretty sure that the consensus now a days is that coffee is useless and only invites contams.
3)Lastly, a huge shift that i think i noticed is the confidence to do agar plates. I dont remember last time i was on here(7-8 years ago) that agar use was so prevalent. Its definitely encouraging and I will be going around looking for agar soon. It seems SABs are good enough to so some plate work? I thought flohoods were recommended/needed so i stayed away, plus i think LCs used to be more popular that agar plates.
Well that was more rambley then I wanted it to be but i kinda just wanted to say thanks to all the great advice and encouraging pics. Also this new RustyWhite strain looks nuts, if i weasel my way in here then ill definity be looking for prints of that.
Peace.
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Moonraker]
#25882811 - 03/18/19 10:11 PM (4 years, 10 months ago) |
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welcome back, friend.
briefly:
ms syringe direct to grain is not recommended. because... agar is fun and easy. no flow hood required. only practice and patience. learning curve is very steep. cubes grow on coir alone just dandy. save the manure for pans and stones. unless you got tons of it. coir isn't super cheap. i don't believe people generally soak their spawn. i never have, but i've only grown a few times. you'll hear more about dialing in the correct field capacity of your substrate. coffee came up in the chitchat recently. seems it's good for nothing but drinking. things to read up on. liquid culture and liquid inoculant. or LC and LI. not the same thing, and are a kind of level up if you're looking for new challenges. i'm not there yet, and might never be.
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Moonraker]
#25882821 - 03/18/19 10:17 PM (4 years, 10 months ago) |
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I don't soak my spawn. poo is fun and beneficial but not necessary at all and most people nowadays avoid it. coffee is useless in the hobby aside from potential free oyster substrate from coffee shops you won't regret getting into agar. it is nothing but helpful. flow hoods aren't needed at all. just good sterile procedure.
the #1 piece of advice for this hobby nowadays is learn how to use agar. I recommend reading the hidden contam guide and cleaning and isolating on agar glad to see you come back to the hobby!
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Moonraker]
#25882834 - 03/18/19 10:26 PM (4 years, 10 months ago) |
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Yeah, you'll have a lot more luck using clean agar cultures for grains than using spores. Spores are a crap shoot. Never fully clean. Some vendors are cleaner than others. Most of the syringes I just bought would've been clean enough to go straight to grain, in that I didn't see any contams when putting 'em to agar for most of them. Yeah, a SAB's good enough to do agar work in. There's plenty of 'no pour' teks to use any kind of ziploc container for agar to start off with. Makes getting in to agar easy and cheap.
I personally still soak grains. Certain grains you can get away without soaking. Oats in particular. I still do anyways. It can be easier to not have burst grains and too make sure to get any starch off the outside. If you're using millet, you probably want to soak. And rinse many times. Becomes a sticky mess if it's not rinsed and you get that starch off the outside.
Stay far away from coffee. Just a trich magnet. Just watch wet coffee grounds left in your coffee maker for a week. Green moldy mess. Cubes don't need manure. Coir or coir/verm is what the majority of people on here use. Not to say manure can't be a great additive or substrate all on it's own, but it's not necessary for cubes. Some of the exotics need manure. But for cubes vast majority of people are using coir/verm, coir/verm/gypsum or straight coir and occasionally CVGP - coir/verm/gypsum/poo.
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: vikingsc]
#25882842 - 03/18/19 10:31 PM (4 years, 10 months ago) |
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vikingsc said:\ I personally still soak grains. Certain grains you can get away without soaking. Oats in particular. I still do anyways. It can be easier to not have burst grains and too make sure to get any starch off the outside. If you're using millet, you probably want to soak. And rinse many times. Becomes a sticky mess if it's not rinsed and you get that starch off the outside.
I'm pretty sure he means soaking colonized spawn
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: tryptkaloids]
#25882852 - 03/18/19 10:43 PM (4 years, 10 months ago) |
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Yeah, I was gonna ask if he meant dunking after colonization or soaking during prep.
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: vikingsc]
#25882857 - 03/18/19 10:47 PM (4 years, 10 months ago) |
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J. Jack Flash said:
things to read up on. liquid culture and liquid inoculant. or LC and LI. not the same thing, and are a kind of level up if you're looking for new challenges. i'm not there yet, and might never be.
best of luck.
Thanks for the advice, after i brush up on the updated basics (spawning, casing, getting my FC dialed in, etc.) then ill definitely be doing some agar/LC/LI reading and experimenting.
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the #1 piece of advice for this hobby nowadays is learn how to use agar. I recommend reading the hidden contam guide and cleaning and isolating on agar glad to see you come back to the hobby! 
Thanks for the links tryp. Glad to be back, i kind of drift away and then the fungus seems to find me and pull me back in. Even my first grow that was 12ish years ago was a gift from someone who couldn't fruit it out.
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I personally still soak grains. Certain grains you can get away without soaking. Oats in particular. I still do anyways. It can be easier to not have burst grains and too make sure to get any starch off the outside. If you're using millet, you probably want to soak. And rinse many times. Becomes a sticky mess if it's not rinsed and you get that starch off the outside.
Yeah sorry i wasn't clear. I always soak millet for 12 hrs+ and rinse like mad when im prepping it. I was asking about a thread I saw where people were rehydrating their colonized grain before spawning to bulk. I was just curious about this added little step that i had never heard about before but it seems like its already deemed inconsequential.
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Moonraker]
#25882870 - 03/18/19 11:02 PM (4 years, 10 months ago) |
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soaking spawn seems like an easy way to exacerbate any potential bacteria that may be present
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: tryptkaloids]
#25882965 - 03/19/19 01:04 AM (4 years, 10 months ago) |
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Can somebody please confirm to me that these are Ps. mexicana fruits?
First attempt at cultivation Ps mexicana failed as spawn jar got trich and I chucked it in a flowerpot with some soil and about two months later I have got these growing from it.
Pretty sure they are Psilocybe mexicana but would just like some further confirmation as I intend on using them for more spores and obviously don't want to be doing it with some undesirable species.
There is some ink caps growing in there as well that I am aware of.

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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: BlueDisa]
#25883011 - 03/19/19 02:45 AM (4 years, 10 months ago) |
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I reccomend this if your gonna be doing agar in a sab, I recommend starting here. https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/19208976
100x15s can be done in a sab. Bod and a few others are pretty good at pouring plates in a sab.
I however am not. I love my flowhood. Wouldn't trade it for anything. There super ez to build. https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/21518893
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: tryptkaloids]
#25883014 - 03/19/19 02:46 AM (4 years, 10 months ago) |
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tryptkaloids said: soaking spawn seems like an easy way to exacerbate any potential bacteria that may be present
Dont it. But it still interests the hell out of me. Funny how someone was like. You know what. I think I'm gonna dunk my spawn before I spawn it to this here tub.
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Yesum]
#25883299 - 03/19/19 10:07 AM (4 years, 10 months ago) |
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twas eats i believe. makes sense theoretically and if you have spawn down. what was your issue with pouring? my only agar contams are from poor transfer technique. never from the poor itself
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Yesum]
#25883302 - 03/19/19 10:09 AM (4 years, 10 months ago) |
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that hidden contam thread is golden , i now think hidden bacteria has been my main problem over the years , i was always focusing on conditions fruiting containers and whatnot , thinking that my grain was clean cause it was colonizing in 10 to 15 days and it looked "good " , when it was just clean enough to colonize and flush sometimes decently ;





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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: dmppb]
#25883401 - 03/19/19 11:10 AM (4 years, 10 months ago) |
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Patients is really all. No patients and I'm stoned as hell most the time. With a flowhood I can walk away from a open plate of I want. Ya know what I'm saying. I'm learning culture work in front of a hood. Then going to a sab to pour plates. Forget it. I was throwing away about 40% of my plates just from the pouring.
I can definitely believe that was a Eat idea.
Something like this. Like what. Lol https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/21861843
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