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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: staytrippy420]
    #25851845 - 03/04/19 12:00 PM (4 years, 10 months ago)

Thanks for the link! it all makes sense now... :mindblown:


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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: scubasteven]
    #25851883 - 03/04/19 12:16 PM (4 years, 10 months ago)

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The agar wedge was small, not quite rice grain size and it was 1 week before I noticed anything at all in the jar, and then another week to the point of the first picture. I was out of town for a few days and that's why it wasn't shook at 30%




Okay, that's not mushroom mycelium then. Without a shake, a tiny piece of agar in a jar is going to take forever to colonize (even with a shake). The mycelium will also be growing directly from wherever that piece of agar lands on what is called an inoculation point.



Do you see how the mycelium is growing outward from the wedge onto the grains? You have growth everywhere without even shaking and full colonization in 2 weeks (really one week since the contam took off). I'm sure it came in from under the lids and your tiny speck of mycelium isn't going to win against competitors like that.


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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: stareatclouds]
    #25851923 - 03/04/19 12:29 PM (4 years, 10 months ago)

ok thanks for your help, I'll toss them and try again.


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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: scubasteven]
    #25852046 - 03/04/19 01:12 PM (4 years, 10 months ago)

:projectile: missed some details, my bad


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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: scubasteven]
    #25852055 - 03/04/19 01:17 PM (4 years, 10 months ago)

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Yes they were dry and left very little visible moisture on a paper towel. I did notice some moisture against the glass once in the jars.






Ime oats need to be bone fuckin dry. Very little visible moisture would be too wet. Hence the moisture in the jar.

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Did not fan dry I let them sit covered with paper towel for close to 24 hours.






Use a fan next time. Or spread thin over a screen and steam dry.


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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: mushboy]
    #25852062 - 03/04/19 01:21 PM (4 years, 10 months ago)

Or at least uncover em and toss em to dry evenly


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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Failboat]
    #25852118 - 03/04/19 01:40 PM (4 years, 10 months ago)

all good my dude, yah I'll do some more reading.. might as well buy a fan and do that as I've bought everything else. thanks


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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: scubasteven]
    #25852132 - 03/04/19 01:49 PM (4 years, 10 months ago)

You can get moisture like that naturally from the condensation, by the way. I get little pools of collected water if I let my jars sit for longer than normal. My temps swing more than I'd like these days.

scubasteven,

DAAAAMN YOOU!! Please remember all the questions I had to ask you to eliminate mushroom mycelium, such as grain prep, sterilization, inoculation method, size of agar, dates especially, etc. Next time you're unsure of anything, include all of that immediately. Otherwise I'll spin you around over my head like a pizza pie and throw you off a bridge.


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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: scubasteven]
    #25852135 - 03/04/19 01:50 PM (4 years, 10 months ago)

damn brf mix keeps turning out clumpy every time. I mix the verm and water first, standard ratio.

Do I need to adjust the recipe for course verm or what? My mix keeps coming out half granular/fluffy and the other half is a bunch of orbs like twice the size of a pea, bullshit.

cakes to bulk is where its at for outdoor species far as I'm concerned. No agar or anything, just spores to cakes and done, if it contams just put it outside it'll turn out fine eventually.


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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: stareatclouds]
    #25852137 - 03/04/19 01:50 PM (4 years, 10 months ago)

That's amore.


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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: gizmodo]
    #25852140 - 03/04/19 01:53 PM (4 years, 10 months ago)

I think coarse verm is a problem. It's not going to hold as much water as fine, and it doesn't mix as evenly. You wind up with wet verm pebbles coated in brf.


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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: stareatclouds]
    #25852149 - 03/04/19 02:00 PM (4 years, 10 months ago)

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You can get moisture like that naturally from the condensation, by the way. I get little pools of collected water if I let my jars sit for longer than normal. My temps swing more than I'd like these days.

scubasteven,

DAAAAMN YOOU!! Please remember all the questions I had to ask you to eliminate mushroom mycelium, such as grain prep, sterilization, inoculation method, size of agar, dates especially, etc. Next time you're unsure of anything, include all of that immediately. Otherwise I'll spin you around over my head like a pizza pie and throw you off a bridge.





hahah into the water? you don't say.. rgr though man I hear ya, I'll be more specific next time thanks for taking the time.


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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Psilosopherr]
    #25852164 - 03/04/19 02:09 PM (4 years, 10 months ago)

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damn brf mix keeps turning out clumpy every time. I mix the verm and water first, standard ratio.

Do I need to adjust the recipe for course verm or what? My mix keeps coming out half granular/fluffy and the other half is a bunch of orbs like twice the size of a pea, bullshit.

cakes to bulk is where its at for outdoor species far as I'm concerned. No agar or anything, just spores to cakes and done, if it contams just put it outside it'll turn out fine eventually.



IME it's better to mix dry ingredients first


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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: tryptkaloids]
    #25852173 - 03/04/19 02:13 PM (4 years, 10 months ago)

That's how we do it in the kitchen.


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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Failboat]
    #25852178 - 03/04/19 02:15 PM (4 years, 10 months ago)

depends on what you're making. most of the time when I'm baking I just say fuck it and mix everything at once lol. you can't get away with that all the time tho :lol:


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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: tryptkaloids]
    #25852186 - 03/04/19 02:18 PM (4 years, 10 months ago)

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damn brf mix keeps turning out clumpy every time. I mix the verm and water first, standard ratio.

Do I need to adjust the recipe for course verm or what? My mix keeps coming out half granular/fluffy and the other half is a bunch of orbs like twice the size of a pea, bullshit.

cakes to bulk is where its at for outdoor species far as I'm concerned. No agar or anything, just spores to cakes and done, if it contams just put it outside it'll turn out fine eventually.



IME it's better to mix dry ingredients first



Correct. But isn't the brf mix unique in this way? RR and others always recommend to mix verm and water first, than add brf.

I remember mixing it all dry and then adding water back in my nooby days and the consistency was worse as a result.


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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Psilosopherr]
    #25852231 - 03/04/19 02:34 PM (4 years, 10 months ago)

I would slowly stir BRF and verm mix into water


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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Psilosopherr]
    #25852243 - 03/04/19 02:36 PM (4 years, 10 months ago)

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Psilosopherr said:
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tryptkaloids said:
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Psilosopherr said:
damn brf mix keeps turning out clumpy every time. I mix the verm and water first, standard ratio.

Do I need to adjust the recipe for course verm or what? My mix keeps coming out half granular/fluffy and the other half is a bunch of orbs like twice the size of a pea, bullshit.

cakes to bulk is where its at for outdoor species far as I'm concerned. No agar or anything, just spores to cakes and done, if it contams just put it outside it'll turn out fine eventually.



IME it's better to mix dry ingredients first



Correct. But isn't the brf mix unique in this way? RR and others always recommend to mix verm and water first, than add brf.

I remember mixing it all dry and then adding water back in my nooby days and the consistency was worse as a result.




Weird.. i always mix the drys together then add the liquid.. same as cooking or you will get lumps/clumps...


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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: icetech]
    #25852275 - 03/04/19 02:51 PM (4 years, 10 months ago)

If the issue is needing fine verm instead of course verm then turn your course verm into fine verm...


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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: stareatclouds]
    #25852285 - 03/04/19 02:55 PM (4 years, 10 months ago)

i thought I'd read that course verm was fine for cakes


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