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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: sinisterminister7]
    #25843080 - 02/28/19 09:40 AM (4 years, 10 months ago)

here's my reasoning. as long as you keep any mold spores at the end of the flow so they aren't blowing over your culture you should be fine. keep it at the edge far from the filter and keep your tools in between the filter and the mold and you'll be fine.


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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: tryptkaloids]
    #25843085 - 02/28/19 09:41 AM (4 years, 10 months ago)

get a hood and find out:thaaannks:


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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: mushboy]
    #25843114 - 02/28/19 09:53 AM (4 years, 10 months ago)

nah, I'm good with my box. I don't have the time or space for a hood


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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: sinisterminister7]
    #25843115 - 02/28/19 09:53 AM (4 years, 10 months ago)

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Do you guys think berries work better than RGS? I haven't tried berries. but RGS wasn't bad for me...



Yes, rye berries are far superior to RGS as far as I'm concerned :smile:




Hmm.. might have to try that after my next RGS... i just like with RGS.. put the seeds in the jar... add water.. PC.. done.



Are you having good results doing this? I'm a stickler for perfect grains so I'd never try it, but if it works for you then hey why not. Don't you have trouble getting the moisture correct consistently?




well. i don't have a ton of grows, but my last one i did like that.. and it worked out perfectly.. no contams and the mushrooms grew. I actually had much better luck with this than WBS.

I pretty much followed this and PC'd.. had no issues (really weak shrooms but genetics not medium)
RGS EASY

1 1/4cup seeds... 5/8 cup water.. a little gypsum,  PC done..

The upside is RGS is super cheap.. and it's super clean, every WBS i got was just dirty and twigs and shit i had to clean out, where RGS is just seed..


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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: tryptkaloids]
    #25843123 - 02/28/19 10:02 AM (4 years, 10 months ago)

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can you elaborate? I've recamended the same thing to hood users but then someone with a hood chimed in that it's not a big issue, which I'm inclined to believe. their reasoning was that everything other than spawning is done in clean air so it doesn't matter




Would you open a moldy plate in your SAB and blow on it?


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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: icetech]
    #25843125 - 02/28/19 10:04 AM (4 years, 10 months ago)

You can't shake RGS very well


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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: icetech]
    #25843128 - 02/28/19 10:05 AM (4 years, 10 months ago)






well. i don't have a ton of grows, but my last one i did like that.. and it worked out perfectly.. no contams and the mushrooms grew. I actually had much better luck with this than WBS.

I pretty much followed this and PC'd.. had no issues (really weak shrooms but genetics not medium)
RGS EASY

1 1/4cup seeds... 5/8 cup water.. a little gypsum,  PC done..

The upside is RGS is super cheap.. and it's super clean, every WBS i got was just dirty and twigs and shit i had to clean out, where RGS is just seed..



Are you noc'ing with an agar wedge?


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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: tryptkaloids]
    #25843150 - 02/28/19 10:13 AM (4 years, 10 months ago)

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here's my reasoning. as long as you keep any mold spores at the end of the flow so they aren't blowing over your culture you should be fine. keep it at the edge far from the filter and keep your tools in between the filter and the mold and you'll be fine.




I don't have a hood, so I can't speak from experience. I can see it both ways though, one one hand you're working under a laminar flow of clean air, so everything else that is properly positioned in that flow should be fine. On the other hand, why increase the spore load in your workspace if you don't have to?

I was reading about Trichoderma mitigation practices in large scale (agaricus) grows recently, and cleanliness seemed to be the best defense against trich infecting substrates. At such a large scale, the spore load from a contaminated bed would be enormous, and they also have much more to loose, hence the focus on cleanliness. The thing is, many of these facilities can steam their whole grow area after a contamination and inactivate surface contaminants, while I don't think I could do that in my living room.

Anyway, my recent thinking is that while our homes are all laden with contaminant spores to some extent, I see no need to increase their concentration unnecessarily. That being said, I have a shoebox with some spots of trich and many developing fruits that I've salted and am going to try to get some yield out of, but I moved it out of my grow area. To each their own, I suppose.

But what do I know?

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Would you open a moldy plate in your SAB and blow on it?




I suppose that sums it up just as well.


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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: sinisterminister7]
    #25843153 - 02/28/19 10:15 AM (4 years, 10 months ago)

Quick question I feel like I know the answer to:

Can you re-dehydrate mushrooms?

I learned about mushboy's thread too late about cracker dry turning no-so-cracker dry over time and while packing to move some of my mushies from last year are slightly less craker dry (still SNAP, but they bend a minute amount first now). I want to put them back in the dehydrator so I can store them longer and am pretty sure it's safe, but just checking!


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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: ShaperDreaming]
    #25843159 - 02/28/19 10:18 AM (4 years, 10 months ago)

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Quick question I feel like I know the answer to:

Can you re-dehydrate mushrooms?

I learned about mushboy's thread too late about cracker dry turning no-so-cracker dry over time and while packing to move some of my mushies from last year are slightly less craker dry (still SNAP, but they bend a minute amount first now). I want to put them back in the dehydrator so I can store them longer and am pretty sure it's safe, but just checking!




You definitely can. It's not ideal, but my thinking is the leaving the moisture is going to do more harm than whatever heat you've got to expose them to in order to make sure they're properly dry. I mean, in an ideal situation, you wouldn't have to, but ya gotta do what ya gotta do :shrug:


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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: sinisterminister7]
    #25843163 - 02/28/19 10:20 AM (4 years, 10 months ago)

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well. i don't have a ton of grows, but my last one i did like that.. and it worked out perfectly.. no contams and the mushrooms grew. I actually had much better luck with this than WBS.

I pretty much followed this and PC'd.. had no issues (really weak shrooms but genetics not medium)
RGS EASY

1 1/4cup seeds... 5/8 cup water.. a little gypsum,  PC done..

The upside is RGS is super cheap.. and it's super clean, every WBS i got was just dirty and twigs and shit i had to clean out, where RGS is just seed..



Are you noc'ing with an agar wedge?</font></font>




Yeah.. always do the agar work first of course :smile:


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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Failboat]
    #25843166 - 02/28/19 10:21 AM (4 years, 10 months ago)

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You can't shake RGS very well




I don't recall having an issue... i did a shake out of the PC.. then one at like 30% using the tire on my snowblower (which scares me, had the bottom pop off a jar once.. no name shit jar though, made a mess)


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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: ShaperDreaming]
    #25843180 - 02/28/19 10:25 AM (4 years, 10 months ago)

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ShaperDreaming said:
Quick question I feel like I know the answer to:

Can you re-dehydrate mushrooms?

I learned about mushboy's thread too late about cracker dry turning no-so-cracker dry over time and while packing to move some of my mushies from last year are slightly less craker dry (still SNAP, but they bend a minute amount first now). I want to put them back in the dehydrator so I can store them longer and am pretty sure it's safe, but just checking!



I'd say yeah you can, I don't see why not, the more heat and air they are exposed to the more the potency might degrade, however. I'd use desiccant personally. But yeah the world won't end if you re-dehydrate them


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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: icetech]
    #25843191 - 02/28/19 10:28 AM (4 years, 10 months ago)

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You can't shake RGS very well




I don't recall having an issue... i did a shake out of the PC.. then one at like 30% using the tire on my snowblower (which scares me, had the bottom pop off a jar once.. no name shit jar though, made a mess)



Haha yeah, I used to break my stubborn WBS jars up on a donut spare tire, smashed one to bits one time. Hell of a mess


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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: sinisterminister7]
    #25843202 - 02/28/19 10:31 AM (4 years, 10 months ago)

I smashed 2 WBS jars in my hand with a roll of duct tape, in one session. Never gone back...


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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: sinisterminister7]
    #25843237 - 02/28/19 10:42 AM (4 years, 10 months ago)

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You definitely can. It's not ideal, but my thinking is the leaving the moisture is going to do more harm than whatever heat you've got to expose them to in order to make sure they're properly dry. I mean, in an ideal situation, you wouldn't have to, but ya gotta do what ya gotta do :shrug:



Yeah, it's either do this... or freeze them? I don't really have the tools to freeze them to keep them as they are. Honestly, they're fine now, but I'll likely still need to store them a bit longer and don't want things to get worse.

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I'd say yeah you can, I don't see why not, the more heat and air they are exposed to the more the potency might degrade, however. I'd use desiccant personally. But yeah the world won't end if you re-dehydrate them



I use desiccant packs in with them... doesn't seem to have done enough :frown: Oh well! I'll probably just dehydrate at high temp for a couple hours then put them back in storage.


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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: stareatclouds]
    #25843338 - 02/28/19 11:15 AM (4 years, 10 months ago)

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can you elaborate? I've recamended the same thing to hood users but then someone with a hood chimed in that it's not a big issue, which I'm inclined to believe. their reasoning was that everything other than spawning is done in clean air so it doesn't matter




Would you open a moldy plate in your SAB and blow on it?



no, but it's completely different physics. that will spread spores all over my where I make my spawn. but in laminar flow, the workspace is constantly scrubbed


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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: tryptkaloids]
    #25843358 - 02/28/19 11:24 AM (4 years, 10 months ago)

But aren't you kinda doing the same thing as leaving moldy jars/tubs on a smaller scale by doing that? Less spores in the area the better in general. Opening moldy stuff in front of a flow will still spread that shit around, even though your flow will always be clean to work in front of.


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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: LtLurker] * 1
    #25843394 - 02/28/19 11:39 AM (4 years, 10 months ago)

I guess it really boils down to type of contam. primary decomposers aren't as much of a concern because they are competitors where parasites like trich can germinate on myc


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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: tryptkaloids]
    #25843451 - 02/28/19 12:00 PM (4 years, 10 months ago)

While your MS Paint picture is very detailed and accurate to scale, I don't think that's how it works. When your hood is properly setup and has been running for a bit, you're working within the laminar flow of filtered, "clean" air. It ensures that any particles falling down or floating near your work area are blown away before reaching your open media. It's a different story when you're bringing in the contaminants yourself.

You still shower, put on gloves, Tyvek sleeves, whatever you want, and sit down for a session. You wipe down all utensils, jars, whatever with iso, just as you would with an SAB. If you open a dish with mold spores, the flow doesn't magically dissipate them or somehow prevent them from landing anywhere compromising. They can and will land on your gloves, body, other utensils, open jars, etc. This is why you don't open things in front of other media when using a LFH and are careful where you position your hands and utensils. While your airflow may be considered sterile enough, nothing else is, and the "sterile" laminar flow doesn't cleanse you or your utensils.

And you're also not working within a 100% clean area, either. Even 99.97% leaves a sizable number of spores, doesn't it? There's a reason why you still try and minimize the time between transfers and anything involving open media and don't just leave shit open the entire time. And regardless of the current sterile session, you'd still be blowing billions... no, trillions... actually, no, MILLIONS of spores all over your grow area/home.

RR reference here. Another here. A more recent one here. Some rando who also agreed a while back here. I know little about LFH's, have only used a SAB, and am completely open to being corrected on anything I just said.


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