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Doc9151
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Caps McGee]
#25840030 - 02/26/19 08:24 PM (4 years, 10 months ago) |
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Caps McGee said: Try cutting the spawn ratio to 1:2 or less... IME, some varieties/ cultures are sensitive to high nutrition substrates it seems... for this reason, I don't see cased grains fixing it, but rather making it worse... I'd try 1:2 with coir only, and a top layer of coir only at spawn
Blobs are active AF too ya know?
My hypothesis on the potency of PE blobs: I think the blobs potency is directly related to the lack of spore producing basidia, the lack of basidia will prevent them from switching from active indole production to spore production, which is the point that I think active mushrooms either stop producing active indoles or reduces the production of active indoles.
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juniperus
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Doc9151]
#25840099 - 02/26/19 08:51 PM (4 years, 10 months ago) |
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Caps McGee said: Try cutting the spawn ratio to 1:2 or less... IME, some varieties/ cultures are sensitive to high nutrition substrates it seems... for this reason, I don't see cased grains fixing it, but rather making it worse... I'd try 1:2 with coir only, and a top layer of coir only at spawn
Blobs are active AF too ya know?
My hypothesis on the potency of PE blobs: I think the blobs potency is directly related to the lack of spore producing basidia, the lack of basidia will prevent them from switching from active indole production to spore production, which is the point that I think active mushrooms either stop producing active indoles or reduces the production of active indoles.
That's an enlightening theory . Indole alkaloids
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: juniperus]
#25840140 - 02/26/19 09:17 PM (4 years, 10 months ago) |
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Would also explain why it's often reported that aborts and immature harvested fruit are more potent
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Caps McGee]
#25840210 - 02/26/19 10:10 PM (4 years, 10 months ago) |
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For sure agree, I had close to 28g of aborts and little ones they averaged less than .75g dry, and 3.5g of those were really strong. More of a trip than I expected.
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Sivarted]
#25840358 - 02/27/19 01:24 AM (4 years, 10 months ago) |
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Caps McGee said: Could be a stone I guess, as iirc, any variety can throw stones... more likely imo, it's probably a mutant due to whatever conditions caused the aborting of other fruit in the tub
lol what? Cubes don't grow stones.
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Sivarted said: 99% sure you know this already, but on the off chance you don't because you haven't worked with or don't read about gourmet edibles:
Shiitakes in particular are very sensitive to mutating if there's too much nutrition. I think the guideline is anything over 10% and they're very likely to blob. I definitely saw quite a lot of that in my first shiitake grows.
Of course, that doesn't mean it's an all-mushrooms thing, obviously, just that there's ample evidence for it. 
I did know that, although I've yet to grow Shiitake, and wasn't questioning the concept. I did PF Tek first and like I said, consolidation was driven home early on since BRF is so nutritious. Caps seems to take lots of pics so I was curious if he had anything on hand (was hoping for something beyond mutants).
Curious to see if all of his 1:1 RW grows produce mutants like that or just some.
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I read on one of those fucking fedbook grow groups that its possible for cubes to grow screlotia. But I've never seen it in my 23 years of growing cakes, flatcakes, and bulk substrates.
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Yesum]
#25840564 - 02/27/19 06:17 AM (4 years, 10 months ago) |
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I know this is a older pic, just curious if anyone knows the story? I assume the person modified it?
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Wow that's a lot of nfo... will give it a read thank you And i would have searched but i figured someone would just reply with something like "It's a cross of this and this.. with fucked up genetics from this".. thanks
P.S. the one link had the known history of PE.. very interesting.. now i need to read up on pollack, curious if they solved that one.. (and nope.. what a load of shit the cops can be...) " PE #6 (Texas crossed with PE)" and that question answered
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icetech said: So... since it's being talked about.. What makes PE so unstable and strong? Was it a mix of 2 specific shrooms or?
There is nothing really definitive on PE at all, including origins, fruiting methods, avoiding blobs, potency, etc. When I first began growing, a casing layer at 30% was the common thought to avoid blobs. Since then, I've heard more FAE, consolidating the tub before fruiting, consolidating the grains before spawning, casing times, etc. PE isn't something I've grown enough of to comment on, though. But different people swear by different things.
Here are some links to posts of mine with some extra info. Be sure to read the context to my replies as some of the threads have lots of solid information. Edit: Sorry, my posts aren't the ones with helpful information. I'm just using them as anchors to relevant discussion. I was trying to find another big post of mine initially and couldn't, so I'm leaving these.
https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/25147362#25147362 https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/22564452#22564452 https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/24702677#24702677 https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/22670301#22670301 https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/22604645#22604645 https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/24128513#24128513 https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/24137104#24137104 <-- Origins.
And it's tough when people are using different genetics in different environments with an unstable variety. Definitely think there's something to the FAE for SOME of the genetics out there. I remember uncle_rico would never get blobs and he posted some of the most impressive PE grows I've seen and they were grown outside. But tough to narrow down one single factor. Probably a mix of them.
Oh yeah, TheEaglesGift was also someone who had absolutely incredible PE grows. Here's a thread with TEG and uncle_rico discussing cultivation methods for their sick results. An insane PE monotub by rico. And yet another. And another. A thread on casing reducing blobs. Another insane rico grow.
There's an assload of information out there, but nothing conclusive. Definitely make use of the search function for PE posts from TheEaglesGift, uncle_rico, azur, and verum subsequentis for excellent PE cultivators.
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Caps & I have RW from the same F9 giveaway. My sample size isn’t statistically significant, but at 1:1, my RW culture produced some blobbing & at least one first flush mutant fruit in each container I spawned. 1:2 has done better and at 1:3 I have had none so far.
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: ttching8475]
#25840762 - 02/27/19 08:26 AM (4 years, 10 months ago) |
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Was just curious.. has anyone ever run an experiment of 2 growers using the same spores and checking potency of the shrooms? The fact my last 3 grows of 3 strains were all so weak that 5g dry was a mild buzz is bugging me.. people say genetics.. but 3 different ones?
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: icetech] 1
#25840789 - 02/27/19 08:42 AM (4 years, 10 months ago) |
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icetech said: Was just curious.. has anyone ever run an experiment of 2 growers using the same spores and checking potency of the shrooms? The fact my last 3 grows of 3 strains were all so weak that 5g dry was a mild buzz is bugging me.. people say genetics.. but 3 different ones?
You can't use the same spores. As long as you are using spores, results will vary between people, or even grows done by yourself.
Even using the same culture can give different results, if that culture is MS.
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juniperus
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: icetech]
#25840802 - 02/27/19 08:51 AM (4 years, 10 months ago) |
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icetech said: I know this is a older pic, just curious if anyone knows the story? I assume the person modified it?

Lol, shit. My guess would be modification, don't know though
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: teladi]
#25840836 - 02/27/19 09:16 AM (4 years, 10 months ago) |
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icetech said: Was just curious.. has anyone ever run an experiment of 2 growers using the same spores and checking potency of the shrooms? The fact my last 3 grows of 3 strains were all so weak that 5g dry was a mild buzz is bugging me.. people say genetics.. but 3 different ones?
You can't use the same spores. As long as you are using spores, results will vary between people, or even grows done by yourself.
Even using the same culture can give different results, if that culture is MS.
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: juniperus] 1
#25840837 - 02/27/19 09:18 AM (4 years, 10 months ago) |
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Yeah man. The plug will blow before that happens. That's a Boston marathon pressure cooker explosion there.
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Yesum]
#25840842 - 02/27/19 09:20 AM (4 years, 10 months ago) |
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Yesum]
#25840907 - 02/27/19 09:54 AM (4 years, 10 months ago) |
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Yeah man. The plug will blow before that happens. That's a Boston marathon pressure cooker explosion there.
Yeah, pretty nuts how much dmg it did...
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: icetech]
#25840934 - 02/27/19 10:07 AM (4 years, 10 months ago) |
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Yeah man. The plug will blow before that happens. That's a Boston marathon pressure cooker explosion there.
Yeah, pretty nuts how much dmg it did...
I was surprised too. Then I did the math.
surface area of the lid (sq. inches) * pressure (lbs / sq. inch) (pi * 8.5 ^ 2) * 20 ~= 4540 pounds of force on the lid.
Not sure if I did that right but damn.
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: juniperus]
#25840943 - 02/27/19 10:11 AM (4 years, 10 months ago) |
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Bombs are bad mkay.
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Failboat]
#25840999 - 02/27/19 10:31 AM (4 years, 10 months ago) |
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I would guess they were making food and something foamed up and clogged the vent and the blowout plug. Or they forced it open under pressure by pushing down on the safety popup and twisting. There's a vid on live leak of some chinese people forcing open a PC under pressure. Pretty impossible to do something like that unless you go full retard
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: bodhisatta]
#25841015 - 02/27/19 10:34 AM (4 years, 10 months ago) |
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bodhisatta said: I would guess they were making food and something foamed up and clogged the vent and the blowout plug. Or they forced it open under pressure by pushing down on the safety popup and twisting. There's a vid on live leak of some chinese people forcing open a PC under pressure. Pretty impossible to do something like that unless you go full retard
Yeah i had never seen that before, i figure it would take 30PSI+ to blow up something like the presto.. I run 1 thick washed in my weight to hold 15psi quietly.. not too worried bout it.
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