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mushroomnate
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: icetech]
#25839527 - 02/26/19 04:50 PM (4 years, 10 months ago) |
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Tmethyl said: Chuck Norris once roundhouse kicked a monotub that wasn't pinning fast enough. The force of the kick rearranged the genetics of the mushrooms, we now call them Penis Envy.
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stareatclouds
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: icetech] 1
#25839554 - 02/26/19 04:59 PM (4 years, 10 months ago) |
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icetech said: So... since it's being talked about.. What makes PE so unstable and strong? Was it a mix of 2 specific shrooms or?
There is nothing really definitive on PE at all, including origins, fruiting methods, avoiding blobs, potency, etc. When I first began growing, a casing layer at 30% was the common thought to avoid blobs. Since then, I've heard more FAE, consolidating the tub before fruiting, consolidating the grains before spawning, casing times, etc. PE isn't something I've grown enough of to comment on, though. But different people swear by different things.
Here are some links to posts of mine with some extra info. Be sure to read the context to my replies as some of the threads have lots of solid information. Edit: Sorry, my posts aren't the ones with helpful information. I'm just using them as anchors to relevant discussion. I was trying to find another big post of mine initially and couldn't, so I'm leaving these.
https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/25147362#25147362 https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/22564452#22564452 https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/24702677#24702677 https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/22670301#22670301 https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/22604645#22604645 https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/24128513#24128513 https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/24137104#24137104 <-- Origins.
And it's tough when people are using different genetics in different environments with an unstable variety. Definitely think there's something to the FAE for SOME of the genetics out there. I remember uncle_rico would never get blobs and he posted some of the most impressive PE grows I've seen and they were grown outside. But tough to narrow down one single factor. Probably a mix of them.
Oh yeah, TheEaglesGift was also someone who had absolutely incredible PE grows. Here's a thread with TEG and uncle_rico discussing cultivation methods for their sick results. An insane PE monotub by rico. And yet another. And another. A thread on casing reducing blobs. Another insane rico grow.
There's an assload of information out there, but nothing conclusive. Definitely make use of the search function for PE posts from TheEaglesGift, uncle_rico, azur, and verum subsequentis for excellent PE cultivators.
Edited by stareatclouds (02/26/19 05:13 PM)
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Caps McGee
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Caps McGee said: Try cutting the spawn ratio to 1:2 or less... IME, some varieties/ cultures are sensitive to high nutrition substrates it seems... for this reason, I don't see cased grains fixing it, but rather making it worse... I'd try 1:2 with coir only, and a top layer of coir only at spawn
Do you have any documented grows showing this sensitivity in subs with higher nutrients?
Not specifically arranged to display, but even pasty notes that he sees less blobbing at 1:2 with the RW particularly
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Caps McGee]
#25839692 - 02/26/19 05:57 PM (4 years, 10 months ago) |
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A question for anybody and everybody.
What % of nutrition agar does everyone prefer for taking clones?
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: vikingsc] 1
#25839712 - 02/26/19 06:05 PM (4 years, 10 months ago) |
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Whatever youβre already using should work
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: vikingsc] 1
#25839718 - 02/26/19 06:06 PM (4 years, 10 months ago) |
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I use the same recipe for everything, and it's only about 0.6% agar and 0.8% LME (3g agar powder and 4g LME to 525ml of water)
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stareatclouds
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Caps McGee]
#25839747 - 02/26/19 06:14 PM (4 years, 10 months ago) |
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Caps McGee said: Not specifically arranged to display, but even pasty notes that he sees less blobbing at 1:2 with the RW particularly
Yes, I'm well aware of the theory that higher nutrition can lead to mutations. IIRC, this is why we consolidate BRF cakes before birthing them, allowing it to "digest" the substrate in the consolidation phase after colonization.
But I was curious if you had any examples or information since you're saying it's your experience. I've personally never experienced it that I've noticed (beyond maybe PE). What did you notice?
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Caps McGee]
#25839796 - 02/26/19 06:34 PM (4 years, 10 months ago) |
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Thanks. It's very interesting since people can case grains and be fine. But obviously genetics determine a lot. I don't think I've went 1:1 on many tubs so I guess it makes sense I haven't seen many mutants like that.
Edit: I actually did fruit a RW tub 1:1 last December and had a decent first flush. But it was accidentally spawned to old sub I believed to be CVG, then realized had manure + worm castings added, so it went green shortly near the end of the first flush. No mutants from what I remembered, although I also mixed up AA+ and a trial RW around this time, as well. Will try and find pictures.
Do you remember how the later flushes did on the 1:1 tubs? I'm guessing you didn't consolidate them before introducing FC either?
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Caps McGee
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Seem fine in subsequent flushes... they're in sb's so "fruiting conditions" not really a thing... the 4 1:1 shown above were taken this afternoon, so will see how it goes with these...pretty neat anyways... got a 64qt unmodified knotting up and showing some signs of blobs... should've went 1:2 but we'll see how it goes

Granted, it's nothing concrete, but is very interesting IMO
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Can B+ create stones or was the mushy just inverted in to the sub making it appear to be? I had harvested off a tub I just did and it didn't look like a mushroom, it was hard and like an odd shaped ball, didnt think too much of it just tossed it in the dehydrator and ran with it. No cap or stem or anything really, just an odd clump. Wish I would have taken pics..... It was in a tub full of aborts on the side, but grew back in to the sub about a half inch.
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Caps McGee
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Could be a stone I guess, as iirc, any variety can throw stones... more likely imo, it's probably a mutant due to whatever conditions caused the aborting of other fruit in the tub
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Caps McGee said: Not specifically arranged to display, but even pasty notes that he sees less blobbing at 1:2 with the RW particularly
Yes, I'm well aware of the theory that higher nutrition can lead to mutations. IIRC, this is why we consolidate BRF cakes before birthing them, allowing it to "digest" the substrate in the consolidation phase after colonization.
But I was curious if you had any examples or information since you're saying it's your experience. I've personally never experienced it that I've noticed (beyond maybe PE). What did you notice?
99% sure you know this already, but on the off chance you don't because you haven't worked with or don't read about gourmet edibles:
Shiitakes in particular are very sensitive to mutating if there's too much nutrition. I think the guideline is anything over 10% and they're very likely to blob. I definitely saw quite a lot of that in my first shiitake grows.
Of course, that doesn't mean it's an all-mushrooms thing, obviously, just that there's ample evidence for it.
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Caps McGee]
#25839890 - 02/26/19 07:21 PM (4 years, 10 months ago) |
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Ive been struggling with trich the last few month's. And it showed up in the middle of this tub after it started pinning. Scooped it out and salted andfruited away from the others that didnt show. Pulled 30g of aborts so I was happy.
Other than that the mushies were relatively normal, just stayed really short and startes dropping spores in a last ditch effprt I'm guessing.
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Sivarted]
#25839897 - 02/26/19 07:23 PM (4 years, 10 months ago) |
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went a little overboard knocking brf cakes with psi cyans today, used an entire 10ml on only 3 cakes. Got ready to do the 4th and 5th ones and discovered I had nothing left.
Am I going to be okay? Its cool to think about just how much mycelium we are all collectively processing, we make some effective fungal allies. We're these species best friends guys!
Edited by Psilosopherr (02/26/19 07:25 PM)
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Psilosopherr]
#25839905 - 02/26/19 07:27 PM (4 years, 10 months ago) |
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Eek! That's awfully wet, could stall out: really depends on how wet your prep was IMO
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Psilosopherr] 1
#25839947 - 02/26/19 07:45 PM (4 years, 10 months ago) |
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Psilosopherr said: Its cool to think about just how much mycelium we are all collectively processing, we make some effective fungal allies. We're these species best friends guys!
I'm pretty sure there is something to this. Possibly a evolutionary thing. It's a bit of a coincidence that active mushrooms do best in areas of human disturbance. Almost a symbiotic relationship.
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Subfinder]
#25839981 - 02/26/19 07:59 PM (4 years, 10 months ago) |
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Almost hell! Lol, I'm symbiotic AF
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Psilosopherr]
#25839985 - 02/26/19 08:01 PM (4 years, 10 months ago) |
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Psilosopherr said: Its cool to think about just how much mycelium we are all collectively processing, we make some effective fungal allies. We're these species best friends guys!
From the tropical grasslands/pastures to the sterilite tub/shoebox in just about every region of the world within the past 60 yrs. These mushies know exactly what they're doing.
Edited by mushroomnate (02/26/19 08:02 PM)
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: mushroomnate]
#25839991 - 02/26/19 08:04 PM (4 years, 10 months ago) |
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And told me directly to spread them to the best of my ability! Like... SERIOUSLY? We do their bidding
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