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tryptkaloids
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: stareatclouds] 1
#25839109 - 02/26/19 01:33 PM (4 years, 10 months ago) |
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sh4d0ws said: So I'm currently experimenting with casing layers at various times through spawn (full colonization, after knotting, after small blobs appear, 80% colonization) and so far I'm still getting blob city.
The only time I've gotten this PE variety to put mostly normal fruits from flush 1 is on PF cakes. Does anyone have experience top fruiting grain jars, or using straight grain spawn in shoeboxes, or something similar? I'm tired of blobs and if I can't get a casing layer to work I'm wondering about alternative fruiting methods.
Also thinking about trying to g2g some of my jars to bags and then just fruit the bags of grain. Maybe it won't blob.
Damn blobs!
Read through LotKid's PE Tips Just The Tips i think consolidating spawn helps a lot.
A buddy and I were talking about this this morning. "In my experience and from the experts I have talked too, blobbing is typically from low humidity due to lack of an efficient casing Pans, ape, and pe really need stupid high humidity. I’m going to grow more pan cyans this year too. Grew a batch last year. The blobbing is the mushrooms biological mutation to increase surface area and thus absorb more moisture from the air much like fuzzy feet" this makes normal PE much harder in shoeboxes
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: tryptkaloids]
#25839153 - 02/26/19 01:50 PM (4 years, 10 months ago) |
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tryptkaloids said: this makes normal PE much harder in shoeboxes
When penis' are jealous, what happens in a shoebox stays in a shoebox!

I'm getting there! I can grow dicks after flush one (which makes the other comments a little confusing as there's less moisture after flush one... right?) it's just flush 1 that are a combo dick/blobs.
Anyways, if that's the case about humidity, then more coir at spawn is the way to go, right? Were you two just spit-balling tryptkaloids, or is that true about the reason for blobbing? It doesn't make sense to me since many blobs are either just caps, or inside out caps, or just mangles of ... white blobs. You'd think it would be consistent if blobbing was happening to achieve more surface area.
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Its depends on the pe variety and Gene's of that variant ... cron said the type that doesn't blob is melmac which I had and I dont believe I ever got blobs no matter what I did ... pinpornproducer tried everything to make his dick not blob and all he got were blobs ... he said if I remember was consolidation worked best but not great he still got blobs
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Boogieman47]
#25839160 - 02/26/19 01:57 PM (4 years, 10 months ago) |
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Im still not convinced of anything but casing is the way to go for sure. A real one, not just a top layer
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Boogieman47] 1
#25839164 - 02/26/19 01:58 PM (4 years, 10 months ago) |
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I had your genetics and I got blobs/mutants, though.

I think consolidation would make more sense when there's blobs in the first flush and then regular fruits in subsequent flushes, which was what I experienced with azur's clone and yours.
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: tryptkaloids]
#25839169 - 02/26/19 02:02 PM (4 years, 10 months ago) |
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tryptkaloids said: Im still not convinced of anything but casing is the way to go for sure. A real one, not just a top layer
https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/25799084#25799084
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bodhisatta said: Doesn't really matter what you call it or when you apply. Its just a layer of something on top of substrate. Sometimes its substrate itself like coir casing on coir. Maybe some would call it a top layer. I would say don't worry about it being nutritional or not. Some people think coir is and some people think coir isn't nutritional. Again doesn't matter. Use what works for you.
So you're saying specifically you need a non-nutritional/non-colonizable layer on top of colonizable substrate?
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tryptkaloids
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All i know is almlst every time ive used coir it gets colonized i wish I was more help
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: stareatclouds] 2
#25839173 - 02/26/19 02:05 PM (4 years, 10 months ago) |
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Damn that's crazy
Here are all the pics from that line my pe2 and I can see some mutants but you had some gnarly ass ones
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: tryptkaloids]
#25839179 - 02/26/19 02:09 PM (4 years, 10 months ago) |
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tryptkaloids said: All i know is almlst every time ive used coir it gets colonized i wish I was more help
Same. I assumed that was the point? It's all just to feed water through the mycelial body even if it's uncolonized... right?
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Only myc can transport water. Coir can retain water. Thats why it's a good bulk substrate. The point of a casing isnt to "feed water" it's to keep the surface from drying out
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: tryptkaloids]
#25839228 - 02/26/19 02:32 PM (4 years, 10 months ago) |
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Well.. i just wanted a big box of dicks.. and i will love them even if they are mutants Was curious though.. my spores are labelled PE6... known for blobs also?
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: icetech]
#25839240 - 02/26/19 02:37 PM (4 years, 10 months ago) |
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No, but known for typical cube fruits as it has destabilized
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: tryptkaloids]
#25839267 - 02/26/19 02:48 PM (4 years, 10 months ago) |
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tryptkaloids said:
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sh4d0ws said: So I'm currently experimenting with casing layers at various times through spawn (full colonization, after knotting, after small blobs appear, 80% colonization) and so far I'm still getting blob city.
The only time I've gotten this PE variety to put mostly normal fruits from flush 1 is on PF cakes. Does anyone have experience top fruiting grain jars, or using straight grain spawn in shoeboxes, or something similar? I'm tired of blobs and if I can't get a casing layer to work I'm wondering about alternative fruiting methods.
Also thinking about trying to g2g some of my jars to bags and then just fruit the bags of grain. Maybe it won't blob.
Damn blobs!
Read through LotKid's PE Tips Just The Tips i think consolidating spawn helps a lot.
A buddy and I were talking about this this morning. "In my experience and from the experts I have talked too, blobbing is typically from low humidity due to lack of an efficient casing Pans, ape, and pe really need stupid high humidity. I’m going to grow more pan cyans this year too. Grew a batch last year. The blobbing is the mushrooms biological mutation to increase surface area and thus absorb more moisture from the air much like fuzzy feet" this makes normal PE much harder in shoeboxes
I let some of the spawn consolidate for almost 2 weeks and still running into the blobs. I have two more tubs colonizing that had consolidated spawn too though so maybe one something will turn out alright
I'm also running both monotubs 52 litre and shoeboxes 6 litre and 12 litre and still...dem damn blobs!
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: sh4d0ws]
#25839306 - 02/26/19 03:06 PM (4 years, 10 months ago) |
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sh4d0ws said: I let some of the spawn consolidate for almost 2 weeks and still running into the blobs. I have two more tubs colonizing that had consolidated spawn too though so maybe one something will turn out alright
I'm also running both monotubs 52 litre and shoeboxes 6 litre and 12 litre and still...dem damn blobs!

Are you cloning? Do you aim for "less-blobby" traits? Now I'm wondering if blobbing is a fact of life, not an avoidable phase.
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: sh4d0ws]
#25839331 - 02/26/19 03:20 PM (4 years, 10 months ago) |
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The best(blobless)PE grow I've had was done in a flower pot. BRF cakes spawned to some coir.
 I let that colonize completely for 10 days,then I put a heavy top layer(about 1")coir on top. The PE colonized the 1" top layer completely,and started to put out a nice flush.

I don't know if it was the thick sub,thick top layer after colonization,added FAE(fruited on a windowsill in a bag),or what.
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: mushroomnate]
#25839342 - 02/26/19 03:26 PM (4 years, 10 months ago) |
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OH NEET NATE! What did the other bins look like when fruiting?
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These got the normal top layer at spawn. 2.5qt
 Shoebox
Edited by mushroomnate (02/26/19 03:42 PM)
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: mushroomnate]
#25839386 - 02/26/19 03:49 PM (4 years, 10 months ago) |
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Honestly... all of those are much less blobby than mine Interesting. I'm wondering if these can be grown in jars to try to encourage upright growth?
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion *DELETED* [Re: ShaperDreaming]
#25839425 - 02/26/19 04:06 PM (4 years, 10 months ago) |
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Failboat]
#25839498 - 02/26/19 04:41 PM (4 years, 10 months ago) |
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So... since it's being talked about.. What makes PE so unstable and strong? Was it a mix of 2 specific shrooms or?
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