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teladi
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: icetech]
#25833597 - 02/23/19 10:12 PM (4 years, 11 months ago) |
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icetech said: I haven't read up a ton on using LC, what is it about it that makes you stick with it? I have seen it colonized crazy fast, is it much harder to make than just doing agar?
Two reasons why I like LC:
1. My LC bottles are smaller than my grain jars. At about 200 ml of LC when colonized, that is enough for 10-20 grain jars. A grain master can inoculate less than that. 2. LC stores really well.
Some reasons why I don't like LC:
1. It is actually slower than A2G. You are adding a month long step between agar and grain. I figure it adds an extra two weeks between agar and bulk. 2. Contamination is amplified. Anything bad in your culture is made much worse. 3. If using a filter, you cannot get it wet or else you will have contamination grow through the filter. 4. Leftover LC can't or shouldn't be kept. It feels like a waste.
Using LC to inoculate BRF cakes gives fantastic results, and many more flushes than expected. Colonization is insanely quick compared to a spore syringe.
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Caps McGee
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: teladi]
#25833675 - 02/23/19 10:59 PM (4 years, 11 months ago) |
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I quit using iso all together and still in the mid 90's...
Mild soap(I use dawn) and warm water for tubs, antibacterial soap and warm water for my hands... when I wash them... lol
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mushpunx
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Caps McGee]
#25833699 - 02/23/19 11:14 PM (4 years, 11 months ago) |
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I have a wash bottle of ISO I use to rinse stuff in front of my FH but as far as tubs go I just wash them with dish soap and water.
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mushpunx
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: teladi]
#25833727 - 02/23/19 11:34 PM (4 years, 11 months ago) |
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teladi said:
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icetech said: I haven't read up a ton on using LC, what is it about it that makes you stick with it? I have seen it colonized crazy fast, is it much harder to make than just doing agar?
Two reasons why I like LC:
1. My LC bottles are smaller than my grain jars. At about 200 ml of LC when colonized, that is enough for 10-20 grain jars. A grain master can inoculate less than that. 2. LC stores really well.
Some reasons why I don't like LC:
1. It is actually slower than A2G. You are adding a month long step between agar and grain. I figure it adds an extra two weeks between agar and bulk. 2. Contamination is amplified. Anything bad in your culture is made much worse. 3. If using a filter, you cannot get it wet or else you will have contamination grow through the filter. 4. Leftover LC can't or shouldn't be kept. It feels like a waste.
Using LC to inoculate BRF cakes gives fantastic results, and many more flushes than expected. Colonization is insanely quick compared to a spore syringe.
To make LC, I blend my agar wedge in water in a sterilized Eberbach unit and the pour into my LC broth (in an Erlenmyer flask, I use ones with threaded caps with hole/SFD, or if it's unthreaded I stuff the top with poly fill), then I set it on a stir plate. The LC is typically ready in a few days to one week max.
LC is much faster if you blend up a wedge and then spin it in LC broth
I use G2G mostly though. And for a lot of things I just pour LI right from the Eberbach unit
Edited by mushpunx (02/24/19 12:28 AM)
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teladi
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: mushpunx]
#25833843 - 02/24/19 02:24 AM (4 years, 10 months ago) |
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Hmmmm...now you have me thinking. I have a glass blender with rubberized lid. Not quite an Eberbach, but it should work to be sterilized.
I normally do the Josex poke, which has served me well. I don't mind the time it takes, as I have many batches in different stages.
I have a shaker table in build progress that has taken me forever. That should decrease colonization time.
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Thedillestpickle
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: teladi]
#25834065 - 02/24/19 07:41 AM (4 years, 10 months ago) |
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I find it funny to see you guys putting so much into cleaning your tubs. I literally just put my tubs in the bathtub and give them a shower with cold water while brushing with an old dirty dish cleaning brush. Just a rinse basically.
It probably helps that I always use a liner.
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bodhisatta 
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I do the same without a liner. I use a long handled soft bristle brush and some dish soap if it really needs it.
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mushroomnate
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: bodhisatta]
#25834101 - 02/24/19 08:04 AM (4 years, 10 months ago) |
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bodhisatta said: I do the same without a liner. I use a long handled soft bristle brush and some dish soap if it really needs it.
 Soap and water.
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Failboat
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: mushroomnate]
#25834146 - 02/24/19 08:42 AM (4 years, 10 months ago) |
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I do it in the sink with a classic green scrubby. Got the sprayer to rinse.
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Yesum
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Failboat]
#25834180 - 02/24/19 08:55 AM (4 years, 10 months ago) |
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Tub/jar brush. Heavily used
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juniperus
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: mushroomnate]
#25834888 - 02/24/19 02:27 PM (4 years, 10 months ago) |
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mushroomnate said:
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bodhisatta said: I do the same without a liner. I use a long handled soft bristle brush and some dish soap if it really needs it.
 Soap and water.
Same. Wouldn't a good scrubbing with soap and water leave your tub closer to aseptic than using iso? For the same reason surgeons use soap (albeit impregnated with antimicrobial agents), and don't just dunk their arms in alcohol.
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tryptkaloids
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: juniperus]
#25834940 - 02/24/19 02:54 PM (4 years, 10 months ago) |
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Yes, soap and water removes everything instead of killing most things
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Psilosopherr
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: tryptkaloids] 3
#25835290 - 02/24/19 05:46 PM (4 years, 10 months ago) |
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pour lil gasoline in there and light her up. quicker and cleaner than your pussy soap 
ha! made you click the thread just to read a dumb joke. Chumps
Edited by Psilosopherr (02/24/19 05:46 PM)
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J. Jack Flash
stranger than ever.

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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Psilosopherr] 1
#25835486 - 02/24/19 08:09 PM (4 years, 10 months ago) |
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Psilosopherr said: pour lil gasoline in there and light her up. quicker and cleaner than your pussy soap 
ha! made you click the thread just to read a dumb joke. Chumps
what a shitbag. i approve.
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sh4d0ws
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So I'm currently experimenting with casing layers at various times through spawn (full colonization, after knotting, after small blobs appear, 80% colonization) and so far I'm still getting blob city.
The only time I've gotten this PE variety to put mostly normal fruits from flush 1 is on PF cakes. Does anyone have experience top fruiting grain jars, or using straight grain spawn in shoeboxes, or something similar? I'm tired of blobs and if I can't get a casing layer to work I'm wondering about alternative fruiting methods.
Also thinking about trying to g2g some of my jars to bags and then just fruit the bags of grain. Maybe it won't blob.
Damn blobs!
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ShaperDreaming
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: sh4d0ws]
#25838837 - 02/26/19 10:58 AM (4 years, 10 months ago) |
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Hey sh4d0ws, I'm doing the same. I just gave a super thick top-layer of coir for a recent PE spawn seeing if that helps, as currently I am just getting blob city for flush one, then half blobs flush two. I like the variety enough to master it... so this will take a while I'm sure.
Another thing I'm thinking about doing is keeping the grains on the bottom of a shoebox, then just adding coir on top. I'm guessing that the technique for non-blobbing will involve coaxing the mushroom to fruit "proper" rather than "lazy". (Look, I don't know enough about this hobby to talk more scientifically, just think like a plant with me for a second).
My hope is that from bottom fruiting? bottom colonizing? bottom spawning?... putting all the coir over the colonized grain rather than mixed in will be that the PE has to work so hard to get to a place where it can fruit (at the top) that it will try harder to make spore producers rather than lazy af blobs.
I've also considered doing grains bottom, coir middle, then cactus soil top to see if that gives it even more reasons...
Curious to see how your adventures continue.
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: sh4d0ws]
#25838840 - 02/26/19 10:59 AM (4 years, 10 months ago) |
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Try cutting the spawn ratio to 1:2 or less... IME, some varieties/ cultures are sensitive to high nutrition substrates it seems... for this reason, I don't see cased grains fixing it, but rather making it worse... I'd try 1:2 with coir only, and a top layer of coir only at spawn
Blobs are active AF too ya know?
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sh4d0ws
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Caps McGee]
#25838882 - 02/26/19 11:20 AM (4 years, 10 months ago) |
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I've tried 1:2 and still blob city lol. I wanna get my hands on the blobless PE. And yeah they are active and supposed to be very potent I haven't tried them yet. I have a ton of APE "blueberries" some of my shoeboxes had 50-100 of these blobs. I dunno about their potency hopefully they are strong like APE
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ShaperDreaming
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Caps McGee]
#25838883 - 02/26/19 11:21 AM (4 years, 10 months ago) |
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Caps McGee said: Try cutting the spawn ratio to 1:2 or less... IME, some varieties/ cultures are sensitive to high nutrition substrates it seems... for this reason, I don't see cased grains fixing it, but rather making it worse... I'd try 1:2 with coir only, and a top layer of coir only at spawn
Right now I'm at 1qt grain, 2qt coir to mix, 1qt coir top layer (last attempt to not get blobs), so closer to 1:3
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Caps McGee said: Blobs are active AF too ya know?
Oh, I ain't throwing these fuckers out
I just want more of them... in dick form.
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sh4d0ws said: And yeah they are active and supposed to be very potent I haven't tried them yet.
  What?! EAT THEM OMG
Edited by ShaperDreaming (02/26/19 11:23 AM)
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stareatclouds
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Caps McGee]
#25839077 - 02/26/19 01:20 PM (4 years, 10 months ago) |
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Caps McGee said: Try cutting the spawn ratio to 1:2 or less... IME, some varieties/ cultures are sensitive to high nutrition substrates it seems... for this reason, I don't see cased grains fixing it, but rather making it worse... I'd try 1:2 with coir only, and a top layer of coir only at spawn
Do you have any documented grows showing this sensitivity in subs with higher nutrients?
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