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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: sh4d0ws] 1
#25698560 - 12/23/18 03:41 PM (5 years, 1 month ago) |
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Yeah was gonna chime in on the body load track then realized it was the wrong forum. Got ahold of some lucy recently, first time in 20+ years, was thinking to my self, boy this is far easier than mushies particularly in the body load department. I only started to feel a body load toward the last couple hours of the session.
One major difference I noticed though is mushrooms seem more involved. Music sounds more personal and you actually feel like you are dieing to were the LSD just seems, detached like there is something missing and less immersive. Also normally on high doses of mushrooms my eyes will water and my throat will build up lots of phlem.
Just not the same when your body don't feel like it is 80 years old and made out of lead while your farting like there is Guinness record breaker to be had. Allot of times I'm like, hope that was just a fart and I didn't loose muscle control down there! 
Gonna have to try an experiment with a rusty clone, one session tea, other crunch n munch. I normally don't have stomach issues other than major gas and cramps from not eating after 6+ hours. Body load always seems persistent though.
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CzM8
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: sh4d0ws] 1
#25698645 - 12/23/18 04:53 PM (5 years, 1 month ago) |
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sh4d0ws said: I love my flowhood. Being able to knock up 30 quarts in less than 10 minutes is SWEET.
That is all 
I don't know how your knocking up that many grains so fat. Even to do 10 bags would take me 30-45 minutes. I think I'm a nut when it comes to ISO and bags and jars though.
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Caps McGee
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: CzM8]
#25698703 - 12/23/18 05:34 PM (5 years, 1 month ago) |
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I rarely use iso...
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CzM8
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Caps McGee]
#25698711 - 12/23/18 05:38 PM (5 years, 1 month ago) |
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WTF do you clean with then?
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Caps McGee
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: CzM8]
#25698730 - 12/23/18 05:45 PM (5 years, 1 month ago) |
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I do sab wipes with iso.. but I've seen dudes with spray bottles of iso? I Don't wipe the jars if they've just been taken from the pc straight to SAB, seems like a vector rather than any help... I typically use it straight from the PC wrapped in foil... I wash my hands with antibacterial soap and warm water, and use slow and concise movements... typically bare handed, without iso... I'm not a stranger to contamination, but I don't lose a lot of stuff either... idk
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sh4d0ws
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: CzM8]
#25698773 - 12/23/18 06:03 PM (5 years, 1 month ago) |
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CzM8 said:
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sh4d0ws said: I love my flowhood. Being able to knock up 30 quarts in less than 10 minutes is SWEET.
That is all 
I don't know how your knocking up that many grains so fat. Even to do 10 bags would take me 30-45 minutes. I think I'm a nut when it comes to ISO and bags and jars though.
Guess it depends what you're using to knock it up. I'm using various LC's and BRF slurry and I just pour it. I know a lot of people around here think agar to grain is best, it's definitely the safest, but I've had really good success so far with LC's. I can afford to lose a ton of jars if my LC is bad, also, which some people may not be able to deal with. The 30 quarts I did 10 days ago so far are looking really good. I just did my first slurry yesterday so I don't know how well it will turn out yet. How are you knocking up your jars? Agar plates? I could see it taking me a considerable amount more time if I was doing that, or even g2g.
Also, if I can I do take them straight from PC and don't even use alcohol, figure it's clean enough under the 3 layers of aluminum foil I use
same as Caps ^^^
edit:added some shit
Edited by sh4d0ws (12/23/18 06:06 PM)
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: sh4d0ws]
#25698801 - 12/23/18 06:23 PM (5 years, 1 month ago) |
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are you using a syringe/needle for the LCs? If so, where are you getting them?
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sh4d0ws
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: CzM8]
#25698809 - 12/23/18 06:30 PM (5 years, 1 month ago) |
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Pouring it. I am going to be making some tribal containers (search it if you haven't heard of it) for better pouring but until then I been pouring that shit right out of the jar.
I try to have enough jars to inoculate so I can use all the LC in one go rather than worrying about having to close and reuse one. It tends to drip down the side a bit, down the threads and what not so I like to use it all. There is those plastic lids Ball sells that come with straws (sip and straw lids or something) and they are perfect for pouring and can be sterilized.
The only downside to this has been that I can't really tell how much LC I'm using so some jars are colonizing super fast and some are just taking off. I did buy a massive 200ml syringe online, it came sterile, and I used it for 20 jars 10ml a jar, but I haven'tr tried to sterilize it again yet I don't know if it will melt. If It doesn't melt and I can sterilize it, I will probably switch to using the 200ml syringe and doing 20 jars at a time. Got that off Amazon.
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: sh4d0ws]
#25698832 - 12/23/18 06:44 PM (5 years, 1 month ago) |
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I was thinking about using something else to pour it out of. Do you just use a wedge to inoculate the LC and do you use anything in the jar to agitate the LC while shaking?
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: CzM8]
#25698864 - 12/23/18 07:03 PM (5 years, 1 month ago) |
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I've been doing needle biopsy LC, from agar plates. Just a tiny barely visible piece of agar, same as a wedge but reduces the chance of putting something you don't want into the LC. For stirring, I have a magnetic stirrer and put stir bars in all LC jars. You can get a cheap magnetic stirrer for $40-$50. I just happen to own a stirrer already so that worked out pretty good. They are hella convenient for MHRB extractions too.
If you don't have a stirrer, I'd say probably best to use a piece of broken glass or something in there to help break the myc up when agitating it. You can just swirl the jar pretty good to mix it up but when the mycelium really starts to fill in it can get so thick that you need something in there to help stir it. I use lids with syringe filters for gas exchange but you can just use unmodified plastic lids if you don't have syringe filters.
I've been having good success with grain water LC, but I'm experimenting with malt extract LC now too. Haven't used any of it yet though. Grain water LC is pretty damn good (IMO) if you don't have malt extract.
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: sh4d0ws]
#25698878 - 12/23/18 07:13 PM (5 years, 1 month ago) |
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Why syringe filters? Can you just use grain lids?
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CzM8
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: sh4d0ws]
#25698887 - 12/23/18 07:16 PM (5 years, 1 month ago) |
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I use malt extract already.
3g agar for 500 ml? I'm thinking of a tall glass bottle that I can use. I can loosen the cap and put some parafilm on it for GE.
Grain lids with synthetic filters would hold the LC and be more likely to contaminate, P9hu7.
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: CzM8]
#25698911 - 12/23/18 07:29 PM (5 years, 1 month ago) |
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Snall quarter size disks over a 1/4 or 1/8" hole....just dont get it wet. I hate whatman filters, is contamination via wet filter the only reason they're used?
I don't use LC but I'm thinking of making some soon.
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Stipe-n Cap]
#25699007 - 12/23/18 08:34 PM (5 years, 1 month ago) |
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Why can't i take bags out of the PC while they r still hot.
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: van hatton]
#25699010 - 12/23/18 08:39 PM (5 years, 1 month ago) |
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van hatton said: Why can't i take bags out of the PC while they r still hot.
Do you seal them before they go in?
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: CzM8]
#25699021 - 12/23/18 08:48 PM (5 years, 1 month ago) |
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No
I put tyvwk sleeve between flaps.
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Edited by van hatton (12/23/18 08:48 PM)
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: van hatton]
#25699094 - 12/23/18 09:48 PM (5 years, 1 month ago) |
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Not sure, but I think you risk air pushing back into them when they're still hot. I dont use tyvek, so I have to wait for it to seal on itself
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: CzM8]
#25699138 - 12/23/18 10:20 PM (5 years, 1 month ago) |
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That's what I was thought as well just making sure I'm not nuts.
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: van hatton]
#25702439 - 12/25/18 05:16 PM (5 years, 1 month ago) |
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When PC bags of sawdust what can I use instead of tyvek sleeves to keep the bags from sealing?
Edit - I don't think I can skip it or use something else. I ordered a case.  I can run a sleeve a long time before it goes bad right?
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Edited by gizmodo (12/25/18 05:31 PM)
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: gizmodo]
#25702632 - 12/25/18 07:37 PM (5 years, 1 month ago) |
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gizmodo said: When PC bags of sawdust what can I use instead of tyvek sleeves to keep the bags from sealing?
Edit - I don't think I can skip it or use something else. I ordered a case.  I can run a sleeve a long time before it goes bad right?
You ordered a case of what? You dont need tyvek for PCing bags. And you don't have to seal them to PC them.
Edited by CzM8 (12/25/18 07:38 PM)
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