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Nimph
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Mateja]
#25658030 - 12/04/18 10:50 PM (5 years, 1 month ago) |
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I think its when u overload nutes is when it slows down specially on sugar based agar like mea.
But generally more fuel the better!
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: CzM8]
#25658036 - 12/04/18 10:52 PM (5 years, 1 month ago) |
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https://www.amazon.com/Jiffy-Natural-Organic-Starter-Quart/dp/B00C7RXJQQ/ref=mp_s_a_1_5?ie=UTF8&qid=1543988992&sr=8-5&pi=AC_SX236_SY340_FMwebp_QL65&keywords=jiffy+seed+starting+mix&dpPl=1&dpID=51ET68G7ewL&ref=plSrch&dpPl=1&dpID=51ET68G7ewL&ref=plSrch this is the kind I get but at my Wally world is 4.67 a bag I dont know why it's so much on amazon .. well it used to be I haven't grown in over a year so I could be wrong... anyway tajt shit is great and I buy some crushed oyster shells as well and mix in but they make the boomers taste horrible
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: JHOVA]
#25658053 - 12/04/18 10:59 PM (5 years, 1 month ago) |
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JHOVA said: i prefer boogies 1.2% look over your 2% Mateah. the 4% looks weird to me.
What is this supposed to tell me? Just some arbitrary judging and personal prefersnce about aestetics.
We were discussing weaker plates growing faster and more rizo and I said the opposite e happens more often for me, and I had photos of different clonesz different agar media and different agar strengths to back that up.
Idk at this point if we should just keep repeatkng the same stuff without clear evidence. Often I hear: "it's not a rule it's just 'most often' it runs faster and more rizo on agar" well in that case we might as well say that it runs faster and more rizo on higher nutes, csuee sometimes it does that too
This is my point.
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Boogieman47]
#25658060 - 12/04/18 11:04 PM (5 years, 1 month ago) |
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Boogieman47 said: https://www.amazon.com/Jiffy-Natural-Organic-Starter-Quart/dp/B00C7RXJQQ/ref=mp_s_a_1_5?ie=UTF8&qid=1543988992&sr=8-5&pi=AC_SX236_SY340_FMwebp_QL65&keywords=jiffy+seed+starting+mix&dpPl=1&dpID=51ET68G7ewL&ref=plSrch&dpPl=1&dpID=51ET68G7ewL&ref=plSrch this is the kind I get but at my Wally world is 4.67 a bag I dont know why it's so much on amazon .. well it used to be I haven't grown in over a year so I could be wrong... anyway tajt shit is great and I buy some crushed oyster shells as well and mix in but they make the boomers taste horrible
Ill check again.
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Mateja]
#25658064 - 12/04/18 11:07 PM (5 years, 1 month ago) |
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I suppose I butted into some other type of argument I should of back read Haha.. I thought one of you was trying to find a good recipe or something... honestly I have always got tomentose growth on more nutes unless I have low nutes then transfer to a higher nute dish .. then it will stay tomentose .. the growth rate I can never say I noticed much difference some cultures were quick and others were slow .. I cant say myself where I seen much difference
I mean what does it honestly matter anyway? Transfer clean growth and grow some tubs ..
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Mateja]
#25658089 - 12/04/18 11:24 PM (5 years, 1 month ago) |
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Yall gotta do to solve this old debate to see what needs to be updated.
I prefer higher nute agar for cleeaan cultures. My 2£
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Mateja]
#25658113 - 12/04/18 11:44 PM (5 years, 1 month ago) |
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but your 4% isnt rhizo at all it's dense exactly like my stronger plates.
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Boogieman47]
#25658136 - 12/05/18 12:05 AM (5 years, 1 month ago) |
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Lmao what do they taste like?
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: JHOVA]
#25658139 - 12/05/18 12:07 AM (5 years, 1 month ago) |
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JHOVA said: but your 4% isnt rhizo at all it's dense exactly like my stronger plates.
not that he can see this. :eyeroll:
But correlation is not causation mateah. Just because some cultures grow rhizo on high nutes doesn't mean all do. Its not just a nutrient density thing necessarily. It could be genetics being expressed differently due to variety of nutrient profile.
All i know is i didnt inoculate grain for the longest time because everything was tomentose and I didn't trust it. I only saw rhizo irl when i broke Down, and switched nute sources and lowered the %
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: tryptkaloids]
#25658152 - 12/05/18 12:33 AM (5 years, 1 month ago) |
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What's up trypt??
Nimph they just are a lot nastier to me once I started using the oysters they were hard to munch Haha.. I used to love chomping on some dried boomers but man these make me gag pretty bad ...
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Boogieman47]
#25658190 - 12/05/18 01:27 AM (5 years, 1 month ago) |
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Just keepin on boog. How are you?. Trying to stay up to date on myco work and maintaining a social life is proving a little tough, but I'm managing
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: tryptkaloids]
#25658192 - 12/05/18 01:32 AM (5 years, 1 month ago) |
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It's the Boog! Good to see ya mang.
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Boogieman47
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Josex] 1
#25658430 - 12/05/18 07:18 AM (5 years, 1 month ago) |
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Josex good to see you as well I'm glad to be home .. I still wont be on much but I stop in time to time ...
I feel you trypt I was deep into the life and honestly I was more peaceful at home doing my thing .. I mean look what happened I helped a friend went to the feds I should have stayed home Haha.. any way glad you guys are all good and glad to see you all I will talk soon
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: tryptkaloids]
#25659043 - 12/05/18 12:14 PM (5 years, 1 month ago) |
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tryptkaloids said:
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JHOVA said: but your 4% isnt rhizo at all it's dense exactly like my stronger plates.
not that he can see this. :eyeroll:
But correlation is not causation mateah. Just because some cultures grow rhizo on high nutes doesn't mean all do. Its not just a nutrient density thing necessarily. It could be genetics being expressed differently due to variety of nutrient profile.
All i know is i didnt inoculate grain for the longest time because everything was tomentose and I didn't trust it. I only saw rhizo irl when i broke Down, and switched nute sources and lowered the %
I don't think you two seems to understand what I'm trying to say here I tried several times but seems it's not working what I'm really is profoundly simple and doesn't involve all that extrav stuff your adding to all this.
All I'm saying is after having done tests I see that the opposite is true for me. So if it doesn't seem to have a correlation that lower nutes cause faster growth or more rhizo then maybe it shouldn't be viewed as something so straight forward as many make it out to seem.
Now you can debate how my cultures look all you want, you can even inquire if I at all understand what rhizo growth even is. But all of that is pointless to my message here. The point is my culture don't show that lower nutes csuee faster growth and more rizo.
Let's not talk about what the stronger plates do let's talk about what the weaker plates don't shall we? And if the case is something along the lines of "well sometimes its like this and sometimes it's like that, but let's say that it's like this because I personally experienced this"
Then imo that's bullshit science.
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Mateja]
#25659089 - 12/05/18 12:33 PM (5 years, 1 month ago) |
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I never bother to switch nutes till at least 8 transfers in,i like healthy colonies but a tad lower can just help me see a bit better at what im aiming for.
As for speed i have not noticed and major difference in colonizing times but in reality we are talking about a 2d surface as big as a petri dish so speed is kind of null, i would rather wait till i need to see more expression and have to let plates grow further.
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: cronicr]
#25659103 - 12/05/18 12:39 PM (5 years, 1 month ago) |
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Do y'all really see a huge difference in growth on rhizo cultures that are like T7?
I take it to T2 and if its clean, use a portion of that plate to inoculate grain. I don't really see a need to transfer that many times- in the amount of time it takes for you to do 5 more transfers, I am already (lets say a week each) ~2 weeks into fruiting.
I usually don't lose jars to contamination this way and my flushes are alright. For now I'm running gens for prints and giveaways so 14-28 g/quart works for me. I have no need for high BE or anything at this time, so maybe those searching for long term clones would prefer to select more on the genetics before fruiting, but even then I feel like getting a nice T2 pin/fruit to clone would be better than a T7 culture.
Anyone have experiences with this?
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: cronicr]
#25659108 - 12/05/18 12:40 PM (5 years, 1 month ago) |
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If it's mycelium and it produces the desired mushrooms then I'm satisfied.
That said my current TYC clones are both from T2 and running side by side. One was a nice solid stipe dense fucker and the other a randy johnson from another shoebox. 45 shoeboxes in total. Another 28 quarts colonizing and another 16 pints colonizing/ready for G2G.
Hopes one is exceptional and run it big while I wait on those Thai Lipa Yai for prints.
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Failboat]
#25659299 - 12/05/18 02:03 PM (5 years, 1 month ago) |
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fishermansjc said: I have no need for high BE or anything at this time, so maybe those searching for long term clones would prefer to select more on the genetics before fruiting, but even then I feel like getting a nice T2 pin/fruit to clone would be better than a T7 culture.
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Quirkmeister92 said: If it's mycelium and it produces the desired mushrooms then I'm satisfied.
I'm with fish and QM if its clean, it's good to go. Get it grew and watch them bad bois go from a spec to full grown beauties
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fishermansjc said: Do y'all really see a huge difference in growth on rhizo cultures that are like T7?
I take it to T2 and if its clean, use a portion of that plate to inoculate grain. I don't really see a need to transfer that many times- in the amount of time it takes for you to do 5 more transfers, I am already (lets say a week each) ~2 weeks into fruiting.
I usually don't lose jars to contamination this way and my flushes are alright. For now I'm running gens for prints and giveaways so 14-28 g/quart works for me. I have no need for high BE or anything at this time, so maybe those searching for long term clones would prefer to select more on the genetics before fruiting, but even then I feel like getting a nice T2 pin/fruit to clone would be better than a T7 culture.
Anyone have experiences with this?
I am constsntly knocking jars up along the way but still making transfers, if you are shooting for isolates the transfers are needed, if ya want clean groth use anytime
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Bumholio]
#25659333 - 12/05/18 02:12 PM (5 years, 1 month ago) |
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I will have hundreds of plates I transfer weekly and sometimes I will have spore plate that has been transferred a ton of times and produces great flushes ... but no 2 to 3 transfers is all you need but when I'm looking for great cultures I have tons of plates at all kinds of transfer .. looking for that bad ass mono...
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