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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Bumholio]
    #25635904 - 11/24/18 09:59 AM (5 years, 2 months ago)

I've got an old clone culture rolling in boxes right now and it ripped through the sub in 4 days, its well into its casing (6 days in). So, its fast on coir.

I also have one that had a wavy cap that I cloned. I'm curious to see if it held  any of the same genetics.


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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: CzM8]
    #25635952 - 11/24/18 10:29 AM (5 years, 2 months ago)

:popcorn:


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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Bumholio] * 1
    #25636151 - 11/24/18 11:59 AM (5 years, 2 months ago)

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Yeah, thats what I don't get about cloning and I'm sort of expecting the odd ball one I cloned to just put out normal looking fruits.




It very well could. When cloning you can still expect a variance in genetics. So there's a chance that your odd ball fruit is carrying some typical genetics. 

I've had a lot of fun cloning weird and mutated fruits with some interesting results.

Tissue from this fruit

Put out flushes like this


While these genetics came from a skinny little mutated side pin.


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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: ComebackKid]
    #25636205 - 11/24/18 12:23 PM (5 years, 2 months ago)

Cool, thats kinda what I was planning on doing. I like the weird and wonderful ways the guys grow. I have some koh samui going atm and I can already see some upside down pins and Siamese ones and all kinds of fuck ups lol.

Thanks CBK, congrats btw:fistbump:


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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Bumholio]
    #25636239 - 11/24/18 12:37 PM (5 years, 2 months ago)

I cloned this agar pin mutant-


And it made all sorts of weirdness (but it did put out some normal fruits in the same grow).


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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Mr.Hyde]
    #25636921 - 11/24/18 06:24 PM (5 years, 2 months ago)

How long should I pressure cook pf tek bag that has BRF substituted with rye flour.


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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: IntergalacticSpore]
    #25636942 - 11/24/18 06:40 PM (5 years, 2 months ago)

A bag? Pf material is really dense. An entire bag is either going to take fooorever to colonize or it wont.


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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: mushboy]
    #25636997 - 11/24/18 07:11 PM (5 years, 2 months ago)

Better let it colonize laying on its side with the filter facing up if you use it.


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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: gizmodo]
    #25637186 - 11/24/18 09:00 PM (5 years, 2 months ago)

Since you guys are talking about clones, I have a question.

Cloned a fruit from the 2nd flush of my recent Roatan Honduras grow.  Came out with no contaminates 🙌🏼  but the plates are polar opposites as far as growth.  Is one better than the other?



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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Brain Bulb]
    #25637199 - 11/24/18 09:17 PM (5 years, 2 months ago)

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Brain Bulb said:
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There isn't much cube mycelium on the bottom plate. That's something else surrounding it aka tams


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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: lewp]
    #25637291 - 11/24/18 11:07 PM (5 years, 2 months ago)

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lewp said:
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Brain Bulb said:
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There isn't much cube mycelium on the bottom plate. That's something else surrounding it aka tams




Well that sucks...  Oh well, at least I have 1 plate producing some good myc.  Think I should do a transfer and try to get away from the tam?


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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: mushboy]
    #25637530 - 11/25/18 05:10 AM (5 years, 2 months ago)

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A bag? Pf material is really dense. An entire bag is either going to take fooorever to colonize or it wont.



How long do I PC it for tho?


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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: IntergalacticSpore]
    #25637571 - 11/25/18 06:14 AM (5 years, 2 months ago)

I think I may have another angle for white rot and brown rot fungi.

In order for spores to germinate and grow well on cellulose, it must have an easier to decay carbon source.
So the 'general' rule is, to germinate on wood, the phenols must be targeted via various enzymes.

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There are a few methods of decay I can think of, using different enzymes and reactions:

Partial decay (external) > absorption > further decay (internal).
Complete decay, or almost (external) > absorption.
Partial decay (external) > absorption.

If an organism cannot target the phenols, pre-decay will likely be needed.

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White rot:

My example is Tarragon oyster, it absorbs the phenols, later oxidizing them.
Internal oxidation occurs in the areas of highest O2 (oxygen).

Absorption causes the plate to fade to just agar.

   


Brown rot:

My example is Cubensis, no phenol absorption, it decays them externally.
Decay of the tea phenols causes them to turn brown-black.

   

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Normally Tarragon oyster will be penetrating wood, producing low O2 conditions.
By default it should be up taking materials to high oxygen areas.

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Additional notes:

Full utilization of phenols (less browning, more fading) may occur when the base components are more spendable.
If more of the carbon is spent, with macro-micro nutrients, less carbon waste would be produced.

Some mycelium may only produce enzymes and reactions that achieve partial decay.

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Enzymatic Degradation of Lignin in Soil | Some Data on Tea (with tests)

https://science.energy.gov/ber/highlights/2017/ber-2017-02-e/
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wood-decay_fungus


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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Ferather] * 1
    #25637714 - 11/25/18 08:22 AM (5 years, 2 months ago)

Quote:

Ferather said:
Brown rot:

My example is Cubensis,



Brown rot only refers to what some wood decay fungi do. Cubes are absolutely not a brown rot fungi lol.


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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Brain Bulb]
    #25637822 - 11/25/18 09:35 AM (5 years, 2 months ago)

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Brain Bulb said:
Quote:

lewp said:
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Brain Bulb said:
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There isn't much cube mycelium on the bottom plate. That's something else surrounding it aka tams




Well that sucks...  Oh well, at least I have 1 plate producing some good myc.  Think I should do a transfer and try to get away from the tam?




That bottom plate is mostly fucked, why bother?


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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: grainbrain]
    #25637824 - 11/25/18 09:37 AM (5 years, 2 months ago)

Mostly? That's straight mold bruh:sad:


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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: mushboy]
    #25637830 - 11/25/18 09:39 AM (5 years, 2 months ago)

:projectile:


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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: mushboy]
    #25637840 - 11/25/18 09:42 AM (5 years, 2 months ago)

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mushboy said:
Mostly? That's straight mold bruh:sad:




There's good myc on the transfer itself & you could go in there & grab it, but why bother?


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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: grainbrain]
    #25637846 - 11/25/18 09:45 AM (5 years, 2 months ago)

Use the first to make several new plates. Trash the second.


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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: grainbrain]
    #25637867 - 11/25/18 09:54 AM (5 years, 2 months ago)

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grainbrain said:
Quote:

mushboy said:
Mostly? That's straight mold bruh:sad:




There's good myc on the transfer itself & you could go in there & grab it, but why bother?



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