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Ferather
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Brain Bulb]
#25602694 - 11/09/18 10:00 AM (5 years, 2 months ago) |
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Look at the snow.
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At a guess, you have beneficial bacteria-other. The organism should be decaying the media as the mycelium would, and releasing solubles. While the mycelium does benefit from this (non-pathogenic), it also learns to avoid it in some way, producing aerial bushes.

The above is WL-Tek with added tea and grain flour (not an ideal mix for open air).
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Alternatively your grain to CV ratio was rather impressive, not sure.
Edited by Ferather (11/09/18 10:12 AM)
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Re: 2 ?'s Aborts & Dehydration [Re: RomeoPapa] 1
#25602718 - 11/09/18 10:09 AM (5 years, 2 months ago) |
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Quote:
RomeoPapa said:
And all I wanted to do was grow mushrooms!
The science behind the fruit, is just as profound, as the experience of the fruit.
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Ferather]
#25603129 - 11/09/18 01:20 PM (5 years, 2 months ago) |
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Quote:
Ferather said:

Look at the snow.
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At a guess, you have beneficial bacteria-other. The organism should be decaying the media as the mycelium would, and releasing solubles. While the mycelium does benefit from this (non-pathogenic), it also learns to avoid it in some way, producing aerial bushes.

The above is WL-Tek with added tea and grain flour (not an ideal mix for open air).
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Alternatively your grain to CV ratio was rather impressive, not sure.
I take it that’s the way it’s supposed to look, yes?
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Brain Bulb]
#25603362 - 11/09/18 02:56 PM (5 years, 2 months ago) |
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AHEM... on beneficial bacteria
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Ferather
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: tryptkaloids]
#25603428 - 11/09/18 03:29 PM (5 years, 2 months ago) |
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@Brain Bulb
I've only seen aerial puffballs due to organisms, I'm wondering if your FAE is low and if you have anaerobes. Either way you should fruit it, if you don't get any issues with fruits and bacteria, enjoy.
If you have anaerobes, leaving the lid off for a while 'could' help. The images I provided had ample FAE (oxygen).
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@tryptkaloids
What part of beneficial bacteria-other is bullshit? There are several scenarios that bacteria-other would help with. A nitrogen fixating bacteria comes in very handy on a nitrogen deficient, carbon rich media.
In addition, enough solubles produced by bacteria might equate to 5% sugars. Have you done any with bacteria-other, or just being rude again?
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Ferather]
#25603443 - 11/09/18 03:36 PM (5 years, 2 months ago) |
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Do you want no drip when squeeze or a drip when squeezed with sawdust? I put 5 cups pellet to 6 cups water and it fluffed to pretty moist no drip when squeezed, ideal?
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Edited by gizmodo (11/09/18 03:38 PM)
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: gizmodo]
#25603467 - 11/09/18 03:48 PM (5 years, 2 months ago) |
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You should really weight it (no offense), something like 100g of pellets and 200g of water, which is 66% water content. Different woods can vary, you might prefer 50-50 wood-coir instead, more water, and coir is richer.
If coir is cheaper than wood for you, it can replace the sawdust entirely. I use paper pellets, and enrichment, slightly cheaper.
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Ferather]
#25603474 - 11/09/18 03:52 PM (5 years, 2 months ago) |
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You're right, spank me for not weighing them. I will in the future.
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: gizmodo]
#25603492 - 11/09/18 04:03 PM (5 years, 2 months ago) |
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No problem, 1 cup of water and 1 cup of pellets will not be equal in weight. Nutrients and water content are all measured in weight.
See my guide here for a some maths.
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bodhisatta said: PROtip: multiply your coir weight by 5 to get your water weight. use the metric system and your water weight is your water volume 
This is 100g to 500g of water (5x dry weight), metric, which is 83% water content.
For 50-50 you would do 100g + 200g (66%) | 100g + 500g (83%).
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Ferather]
#25603579 - 11/09/18 04:48 PM (5 years, 2 months ago) |
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Ferather said: What part of beneficial bacteria-other is bullshit?
just the fact that i don't see anyone adding bacteria to their grows.Quote:
Ferather said:There are several scenarios that bacteria-other would help with. A nitrogen fixating bacteria comes in very handy on a nitrogen deficient, carbon rich media.
In addition, enough solubles produced by bacteria might equate to 5% sugars.
cool story bro. Got any links to back it up? Im pretty sure it would be the next big thing to culture bacteria along side your cubes Quote:
Ferather said:Have you done any with bacteria-other, or just being rude again?
Im not sure what you mean by bacteria-other. You should be more specific. You even have a genus? Id prefer a species name.
Ive yet to have a grow without bacteria in it. But im also kinda being rude
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: tryptkaloids]
#25603666 - 11/09/18 05:24 PM (5 years, 2 months ago) |
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Oh no you misunderstand me, I'm pointing out that it's 'likely' s|he has a 3rd party organism (with effects, not necessarily bad ones).
I'm definitely not saying go add bacteria to your grows, not unless it's 100% necessary. Some secondary decomposers need a certain bacteria to fruit. A primary decomposer, even a niche one, would be better off decaying the substrate by its self, just enrich the media or use more spawn.
I have tested, analysed: Archaea, Cyanobacteria, and probiotic animal feed. (More data here, Google the names).
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Ferather] 1
#25603684 - 11/09/18 05:36 PM (5 years, 2 months ago) |
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Okay, but i still dont see how the words beneficial and bacteria go in the same sentence when talking about cubes as they are a primary decomposer, sorry I'm a dick, im working on it. But peeps are trying to learn to grow cubes. I dont think anyone is benefiting from statements like Quote:
While the mycelium does benefit from this
thanks for the links! Cheers!
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: tryptkaloids]
#25603691 - 11/09/18 05:42 PM (5 years, 2 months ago) |
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The enzymes from various bacteria in the animals guts will be producing solubles, which is enough to help germinate Cubensis spores. Without the solubles the spores would fail to germinate and grow, spores need resources as soon as they activate.
In domestic cultivation, this should only be happening by mistake (by infection, unintended).
Edit: No problem (the links), some are anaerobic, some are not.
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Ferather]
#25604177 - 11/09/18 09:39 PM (5 years, 2 months ago) |
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So i know we generally want to wait until the veil opens to harvest.
Ive got some lgts that are dam near curling up with no visible spores. Anywhere. Should i wait until they produce them or just harvest curled caps?
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: van hatton]
#25604182 - 11/09/18 09:41 PM (5 years, 2 months ago) |
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Idk man, its up to you, they may be albino. Swab them bitches bro
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: tryptkaloids]
#25604184 - 11/09/18 09:42 PM (5 years, 2 months ago) |
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Thats what im thinking.. but the chances of it are so small. Their ms. Probably 15 transfers in maybe less idr
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: van hatton]
#25604888 - 11/10/18 08:44 AM (5 years, 2 months ago) |
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Just because chances are low doesnt mean you didn't luck out. Chances of stumbling upon an albino are low as is
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: tryptkaloids]
#25605086 - 11/10/18 10:07 AM (5 years, 2 months ago) |
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Cooking up grains today. A quart each for 6 diff cube strains, A quart for p zap (my LC is looking bomb) And a quart master for a 6 qt APE clone tub because why the hell not.
Also a few half pints for edible masters.
Doing some tea tonight and then myco like all day tomorrow
Good weekend
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I agree it's a good myco weekend. Don't want to do anything in the cold and wet weather.
I have this wild Texas culture I've run a few times. Every time, it produces serious side pins. No matter how well I keep the surface conditions. These two tubs come from a pin clone, 2nd gen from wild. Still lays a good pinsets on the surface. Hoping to put some work in to developing this culture over winter.
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Tookitooki]
#25605381 - 11/10/18 01:24 PM (5 years, 2 months ago) |
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I'm beginning to think that humidity, or even condensate is more of a trigger than oxygen for some species. My spent substrate test pushed fruits from the area with highest humidity, even in high O2.
It should have pushed upwards, like oysters, but stuck to humidity.

I hope to be doing more tests soon.
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