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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: azur]
    #23529930 - 08/10/16 11:46 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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Here's a tek, read a book





LMAO woke up my gf laughing at this :smile:

I finally figured out what he is trying to ask:
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does anyone have any good tecniques for fruiting a mono tub directly after spawning it?




actually a good question, lots of people have been mentioning this lately


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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: azur]
    #23530042 - 08/11/16 01:15 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

Much obliged my friend :smile:

Do you always case your monotubs?


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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: d0urd3n]
    #23579855 - 08/26/16 12:39 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

hey guys, i didnt know where to post this the other day so i put it on the pub, but i really think its something people should be aware of in the cultivation forum.

I was reading in some academic databases a few weeks ago and noticed a study from this June that suggests that DNA-based taxonomic ID will soon be available to LE and customs.

This leads me to believe that soon more places will be banning spore prints/syringes, since a positive ID will be much more feasible than before.

screw pokemon, we should be catching all the shrooms we can and building our print/culture libraries, because i have a feeling it will get harder to do as ID becomes easier

here is my thread with more info and the study:
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Inocuole]
    #23579964 - 08/26/16 01:04 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

amen brother... that was my first thought as well... the study reads like these guys are SSSSOOOOOO excited to be able to provide LE & customs with the ability to do taxonomic DNA-based ID of psychedelic species. I wonder if they even consider the implications of what they are doing and the suffering it will cause. i suppose they have never had any loved ones locked up for a nonviolent crime....

absolutely shitty use of science and a waste of brains... kinda sad


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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Rooster Cogburn]
    #23580813 - 08/26/16 04:45 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

pasty what gauge needle are you trying to use? got a 14 handy?

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If they start cracking down on it I say we all start inoculating everything we can outdoors, everywhere, especially public property.




haha i concur... when i was in high school i made a modified super soaker that i filled with spores (and later LC after i learned a little more), i drove an ATV all over our cow fields spraying all the shit i could find lol... i doubt such a clumsy technique would do anything but it didnt hurt! had the best wild season ever that year on our cow farm

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Prints and syringes are already labeled with an ID:shrug:
What are they searching for exactly?




i think part of the reason it is only illegal to ship spores to a few states lies in the difficulty of proving that a sample is of an illegal variety, no matter what it is labeled. Ive seen dozens of cases in my research where shrewd lawyers have been able to get people out of trouble by underscoring that there is no way to prove that the spores/shrooms/monotub was indeed of an illegal variety. A good lawyer can cast doubt on just about anything, but this is the defense that usually comes up when people successfully fight fungus charges. that legal precedent may well have a lot to do with why spores are still legal most places

problem is, that argument will no longer hold water after this becomes common knowledge/practice. no telling how long that could take, but i thought it was worth mentioning


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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Inocuole]
    #23598295 - 08/31/16 05:28 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

is anyone else getting fed up with these people who base a whole thread around the images they post, then delete the damned pictures?

soooooooooo many threads that would be quite helpful to people reading have been rendered nearly useless by people deleting their images. and what is left is several pages of people talking about and quoting nonexistant images, referring to things we cant see. some assholes even delete their posts!! but even more common is the expired or deleted image

cut that shit out people, it is disrespectful to all the nice people who take the time to help you and anyone reading the thread out, and often it completely invalidates the value of much of the discussion for anyone but the OP, thats some lame shit

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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: dankington] * 1
    #23599594 - 08/31/16 11:46 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

yeah its definitely the older stuff, but some of it would be gold if pics were there, and it is just irritating without it

does anyone have backups of all the images uploaded and the threads they appear in? i would love a copy of em if so

i often reference old cached indexes and am sometimes able to find where the image appeared at some point in time (waybackmachine for instance)

would there be anything against the site rules for me to set up a script to spider and index the entire site including all images uploaded so that i can at least host a local (or share it with the site) image backup server? it wouldnt be hard to do at all

low upload limits are a pain for sure, but in the age of cloud hosting, why wouldnt someone just use a free image hosting site and embed the image? the forum makes it so easy

i see lots of expired links where people did just that, but then if you click their expired link and scroll through, often you can find pics of their cats, girlfriends, girlfriends'....cats..., etc., everything but the damned image you are looking for... i guess they were trying to "cover their fungus tracks" but left the gf's cooch out for all to see


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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: KenInVic]
    #23601135 - 09/01/16 01:15 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

im confused by the +1 feature... what is the real use if we cant search by it, and upvoting doesnt actually move anything up (like reddit)?

i guess its nice to see your posts get +1'd, but kinda seems like a useless metric if its either a measure of how many people approve of the post OR how nice the pictured tits are

we have to dig in our account to even find out if something has been upvoted, unless we are watching the post... am i missing something?


ALSO no one answered me on the image backup thing, does anyone have a backup of all the sites images? if not, is there anything wrong with me creating a spider to index all the threads and the images , so i can have a local copy that isnt missing so many images? id be happy to share it with other members, or even the site as a backup


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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Terpfreak]
    #23686906 - 09/28/16 02:18 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

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My question is, do second and so on flushes produce larger fruits but less amount?


My other tubs fully colonized, have given their full flushes and are now colonizing with another full set of tiny pins.  Would it be safe to assume these will be the same? Larger but in less abundance?






if you are working with MS (not an isolate) there arent really a lot of safe assumptions you can make

in optimal conditions, someone like azure does "one and done," where they get so much out of the first flush that there is not enough left over in the substrate to justify waiting for a second flush.

in my experience, my second and third flushes yields are sometimes similar to the first, usually a bit less, and rarely more than the first

it really depends on how efficiently the colony is able to turn nutrients into fruits (which depends on MANY factors, environmental and genetic). If for whatever reason the first flush is weak, then the later flushes have more potential to be bigger since there are still nutrients left to build more (and bigger) shrooms

that said, all of the largest fruits ive ever harvested were from later flushes with very few, very large fruits. i commonly see a tubs largest fruits in later flushes.

i think this has something to do with the fact that there are fewer fruits, so more nutrients can be networked into growing those huge. also could be a survival mechanism, since the colony has no guarantee that it will survive until its next fruiting cycle, and larger mushrooms produce more spores. as the substrate's ph rises and becomes depleted of the building blocks for fruits, the chances of it fruiting again decrease, so it makes sense that it would make a last-ditch effort to get the most reproductive opportunity it can out of the fruits it manages to put out

what is very strange is the way this happens even in horrible conditions. oddly, neglect often leads to small numbers of huge fruts. in my projects i often wonder "would these mushrooms have been bigger/smaller if i had been more/less efficient in providing water?", but these neglected behemoths really shake that up. maybe we are witnessing a mycellium in the depths of desperation


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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Boogieman47]
    #23687103 - 09/28/16 03:01 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

depends how much agar you need. are you just making MEA?

i usually make it in 500ml batches: 10g agar, 7g light malt extract, bit of food coloring powder

i would reduce the amount of agar used before adding more water, unless you need more agar


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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Pastywhyte]
    #23727294 - 10/11/16 01:27 AM (7 years, 3 months ago)

That's sweet lil! Are you threading the bag through the center of the pipe? If not do you mind posting a few more pics, or clarifying on that method a bit? And any notes on usage?

Seems perfect for what I am working on this week, a bunch of g2g in bags. I have a nice foot operated impulse sealer and a really big custom SAB that has worked great for making lions mane blocks, but this might be a better way to do it

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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Moabfighter]
    #23729987 - 10/11/16 11:52 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

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as usual, you rock my friend!! :rockon:

thats what i thought was goin on, just wanted to confirm. im definitely going to be using this for g2g bags this week. do you seal them or ziptie or anything after the g2g inoculation? or just put the polyfil back in and have 2 points of GE?

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I'm the smartest person I know. Yet I'm also the biggest underachiever I know. I graduated high school in the top 5 academics wise of my class. Yet I'm a janitor making 8.50 an hour x25 hours a week. They say money doesn't buy happiness, that's bullshit. I'm far more happy on payday than I am the day before payday.

I need to get back into school. That's the big thing. I have no skills or hobbies. My biggest hobby is growing extremely illegal mushrooms. Just in a bad spot ya know. I owe college 7500 dollars from when I tried 4 years ago and didn't take it serious. Can't get loans until I make a good dent in that debt. Which it's hard to pay anything when I can barely afford the bills I have now. Just a bad vicious cycle that I'm having a hard time getting out of.




I can certainly relate to having bad trips when my mind is in a bad place. i actually havent tripped in years, because of how bad a couple of bad trips were. set and setting is everything, and if someone is thinking a whole bunch of negative thoughts all the time, they probably shouldnt trip (or at least this applies to me). i always feel bad because my gf wants to trip and i sit out, because i know i will have a bad trip. when im less stressed i will, but i just have learned myself well enough to know when i am in a place where i will have a good or bad trip, and bad trips are miserable and my responsibilities are great enough that i spare myself the trouble

i cannot relate to "I'm the smartest person I know" though, like at all hahaha... hell, i think i might be the dumbest person i know hahaha... no shit: i feel like knowledge is like a light in darkness, and the more i learn about, it just illuminates the paremiter of what i dont know is, and shows me how little i know. so literally, the more i learn, the less i feel like i know, and the dumber i feel

i would blow my brains out if i was the smartest person i knew. how fucking miserable. i love picking peoples brains, learning from people, it is what i live for. the more i learn, the more i am impressed with the brilliance of other people.

after hanging out at hacker conventions (defcon, etc), ive met some really amazing people who are quite humbling. lol i had the highest ACT in my highschool ever, and then my first honors class in college there were 2 people who got PERFECT scores haha... stung for a minute but it has become my favorite thing about the world, learning to appreciate how many amazingly brilliant people there are


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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Pastywhyte]
    #23730751 - 10/12/16 10:20 AM (7 years, 3 months ago)

worst trip i ever had:

i made tea for about 20 people and the other people didnt drink it, so i finished it. started having a spiritual revelation, figured out something fundamental about the universe that i felt needed to be documented so i got mad at my friends for not helping me document it, and wrote all over the walls with sharpie haha.... not anything profound, just "breathe" and "exist" and nonsense like that.. so i was having such a "productive" trip that i went into my drying room and ate god knows how many ounces of semi-fresh fruits, literally by the handful (made sense at the time). I then proceeded to take a shit in the bathroom, then turned around and stared at my shit for over 3 hours :rofl: its funny now but it was pretty awful. crazy part is that i remember my revaluation, but have to actively suppress it because i think it would drive me insane

as far as employment stuff: dont forget, you are part of one of the only generations in HISTORY to have the internet and the opportunities it affords at your disposal, take advantage of it


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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: amidogen]
    #23731695 - 10/12/16 04:05 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

a soldering iron or gun works great for making arm holes in an SAB


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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Kenetic]
    #23731935 - 10/12/16 05:22 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

lol yall must be little people/smurfs or something, my arms damn sure cant fit in a 4 1/2" hole

i tried the hole saw route, but there is no pvc pipe or hole saw that my arms could fit in (at home depot or any of the other hardware and plumbing places i checked)

my big ass had lots of trouble with that. i eventually ended up cutting the bottom out of little pails, and using those. then i built a custom closet SAB for doing agar and g2g work, and it has been perfect

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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: morty422]
    #23752044 - 10/19/16 01:43 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

a lot of it has to do with how efficiently it can absorb water, and maintaining the right surface humidity and FAE/evap rates. and obviously genetics

id be more than happy to send you a print from an AA+ line that has fruited around 2 kg first flushes consistently, in every MS, clone, or very limited MS culture i have grown out from it. been really impressed with the family, very prone to monstrous fruits, some flushes average over 100g fruits

i just harvested a flush that was 3,498 grams wet off a 66qt tub, where i tested bodhi's lid off babying the hell out of technique, and had a fan running on a timer. that thing sucked up so much water once it started fruiting it was insane, i eventually had to turn off the fan because i couldnt replace it fast enough

that same flush had a 296 gram fruit!! cloned it of course, even though this was a clone tub, there were lots of strains present still. looks like something from No Man's Sky lol

its crazy how light the sub felt after the harvest, it feels like the tub is completely empty, even compared to tubs with the same amount of sub+spawn on their 3rd and 4th flushes

you definitely have the right idea about isolates, they take way too damn long to be a main strategy, but its fun to play with while working with clones

i think high quality food helps too, straw and hpoo always boost my yields, i would never omit them except for an experiment/control



those pics are all from the same tub, same flush. i shit a golden monkey when i confirmed that total weight on another scale!!


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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: morty422]
    #23753314 - 10/19/16 09:22 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

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LOL-

I have the exact same oven and green bowl as you... Haha...

Those are quite large fruits!

I totally agree with your comments about water absorption and surface humidity-however, I think genetics also play a huge role in it as well.

You definitely have all of your conditions correct for growth...looks like Bodhi's no-hole tub did well for you!

I imagine you are seeing around an 8% dry yield over wet? Looks like you are definitely in that 10 oz dry range!

How many quarts of spawn are using in a 66qt tub?

Also, what's your grain of choice?

:cheers:




oh for sure, genetics determine potential. i did a B+ tub at the same time that had a nice canopy but tiny fruits, on the exact same sub, same conditions

i actually used a regular monotub with holes (been using polyfill and micropore a la pasty), mainly just adopted the "lid off while i am at home" aspect, and kept constant surface evaporation and supplied all the water i could

lol i guess the wavy pasty bowl isnt the only bowl for champions :highfive1:

i used a lot of spawn for that one, about 1:1.5, using a very large spawn bag from FP. I used wheat berries for that one, but have recently been experimenting with oats

im not even sure on the dry weight, i didnt keep it separate from other stuff drying. they were remarkably dense and heavy though, massive fruits. i will try to track down that monster to see what it came out to dry

the sub was hpoo, coir, straw, verm, and gypsum

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Does it have merit because it doesn't not work? Frank correlated a few results with that one variable. He may have changed his tone by now has he stayed around. Maybe not. You have to make those determinations yourself




this. it really comes down to your technique, some will benefit greatly from replacing lost water, others might have enough in their sub to compensate. only way to know how it fits in your workflow is to try it out and compare, with the same culture


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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: morty422]
    #23754518 - 10/20/16 10:59 AM (7 years, 3 months ago)

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I have the exact same oven and green bowl as you... Haha...




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Green bowl you say....




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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Edmunter] * 1
    #23754547 - 10/20/16 11:14 AM (7 years, 3 months ago)

here is the way i have been streaking spores, seems to really cut back on the number of strains present in my initial transfers, and gives me lots of options, really helpful for isolation





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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Moabfighter]
    #23755127 - 10/20/16 02:47 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

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But that .GIF though...

Got to give him props for that next level shit...

:lmafo:




lol thanks guys!! i love that gif, that technique saves so much time. i had been doing it incorrectly forever, i would scrape up spores for each step lol....

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I feel like some teacher or boss had a kid in lab that just didn't fucking get it then had to make this gif to try to drill it into their head how to get it fucking right




:lmfao: yeah, i am that kid... i found the gif on google, and it made me realize that i had been doing it entirely wrong, totally misinterpreting the diagrams i had seen haha...

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I don't have an inoculation loop. Been trying to fill my Amazon cart for a while now... Found 5 packs of telephone agar for 10 bucks. An inoculation loop for 6 bucks, 200 sterile swabs for 7 bucks.... added some other shit in to make 50 for free shipping.

Maybe I should order some petris while I'm at it.




you dont have prime? amazon prime rocks!! i love that shit. especially if you know how to get review products for free :cool:

id add some things to that list: pp5 test tubes with top, box of 100 sterile scalpel blades, at least 4 scalpel handles, a big roll of parafilm, 500 case of petri dishes, that red 4oz bag of agar agar, media bottles, glass stir rod with rubber policeman, set of food coloring powders, etc.... you know, just everyday shit for a regular human


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