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azur
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Hpoo
#23527532 - 08/10/16 08:25 AM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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Is the shit! Yes, coir is easier. But really, it's not much more than a water reservoir. Hpoo is a bulk substrate.
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Re: Hpoo [Re: azur]
#23527624 - 08/10/16 08:56 AM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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azur
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Sterilize a pint of hpoo and a pint of coir. Drop a wedge in each. See what happens
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Re: Hpoo [Re: azur]
#23527667 - 08/10/16 09:10 AM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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CosmoKramer
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It smells in here..
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Pastywhyte
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Controlled side by side comparisons FTW.
Seriously tho, for me to use poo on a regular basis, I'm gonna need to drive 45 min to a hour, spend an hour finding and loading it, get it home which means another 45 min drive, shred it, then properly prep and pasteurize it.
Or I can get a brick of coir for a couple bucks and dump some boiling water over it. Takes about 7 min to prep and maybe 15 min to obtain, assuming I'm gonna spend top dollar (2-3 bucks a brick) on it at the pet store. So which makes more sense? With poo I can spend 40 bucks in gas, 4-5 hours obtaining and prepping, have a pile of jars to wash, etc. Even if poo was definitively better than coir, it's still not worth the extra money and effort.
If you live on a farm and literally have it in your back yard then use it up. But for a city dweller it makes no financial sense and takes up too much time.
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spacechildo
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yeah we should be calculating ME too, mechanical efficiency. work put in vs fruits output
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Pastywhyte
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The thing is where does most of the nutrition in a bulk grow come from? The grain of course which has more nutes than can realistically be used given the water content. So if your grow lacks water nutes don't even matter.
Coir is not nutrionally void, I often suspect the biggest reason people don't get same nutes from the coir is simply because most of them are locked up in the lignin. Proper pasteurization temps will not cook the lignin enough to allow the fungi to break it down as effectively. Buckets and sterilized coir will not have that same issue.
AFAIK at the end of the day all that poo may have in significanly higher amounts is maybe nitrogen. However nitrogen is only used by the organism in tiny quantities and it's ability to utilize it seems to be limited by genetics. That means that unless your culture is able that absorb that higher amount present, it simply sits in the sub unused. So then it's culture FTW more than anything. Besides nitrogen is a pretty easy thing to suppliment in small quantities. Dump some coffee in your soak water and get it in with the spawn if you want it.
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azur
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Ah...so now the grain matters eh? Something I've been saying all along. I've never heard you say it didn't matter pasty. You know better. But there's lots of talk around here about the best grain is the cheapest. Good to hear that from your mouth. Maybe some of these fucks will listen now..
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Re: Hpoo [Re: azur]
#23527968 - 08/10/16 11:30 AM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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Indeed I have always said grain matters. Clean spawn FTW! Because of the weight higher spawn ratios can lower BE if the spawn ratio is excessive. But too low certainly represents a loss of effective use of space per fruit obtained so I would be loath to use less than a 1:2 ratio myself.
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azur
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I did 1:1 for year . Now I'm between 1:1.5 and 1:2. Really only because I don't like filling my spawn bags up too much so they don't get too hot.
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Re: Hpoo [Re: azur]
#23527999 - 08/10/16 11:41 AM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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azur said: Now I'm between 1:1.5 and 1:2.
I find that is my sweet spot. 1:1 does provide a small yield boost but IME it's not enough to offset the lower efficiency of the spawn at that point.
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do you think the spawn to sub ratio changes when talking about crumbled brf cakes? im just curious at this point, since i have spawned a few cakes to coir/verm recently. is brf more or less nutritious than grain?
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azur
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It depends on the grain. Every type of grain us different. More nutritious than oats? I'd say yes
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Re: Hpoo [Re: azur]
#23528030 - 08/10/16 11:53 AM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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Yeah I'd agree with that just based on surface area alone. Bigger grains have smaller surface area so that right off the hop gives a nute advantage.
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spacechildo
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Quote:
azur said: Ah...so now the grain matters eh? Something I've been saying all along. I've never heard you say it didn't matter pasty. You know better. But there's lots of talk around here about the best grain is the cheapest. Good to hear that from your mouth. Maybe some of these fucks will listen now..
I dont hear pasty saying grain type matters, but we all know no of grain jars pr bulk matters. 5 and 1/3s remember, do the math  
If you're so adamant one kind of grains is superior to another show me some consistent side by side grows 
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Pastywhyte said: Controlled side by side comparisons FTW.
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spacechildo
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and before you bring up popcorn of course smaller grains are better, but 2 types same size.
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I like prepping large amounts of hpoo/straw in a turkey sized oven bag. Then I mix it in equal parts with bucket tekd coir and whalaa, a super nutritious sub! You get the best of both substrates and the mycelium loves it
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