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I never fight, but I can relate to that sometimes people just gotta fight, if the circumstances and consequences arent too severe.
Some friendly hand combat should be legal I feel, especially in self defense.
We are a species of great ape, some of us get rowdy sometimes.
how do you guys feel about it?
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Re: We are primates. Fist fighting should be completely legal if the circumstances arent too severe. [Re: Asante]
#23527420 - 08/10/16 07:47 AM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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Asante said:
Some friendly hand combat should be legal I feel, especially in self defense.
how do you guys feel about it?
I agree and i live in America so we have self-defense laws.
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I think we should strive to be better than our non-human primate counterparts.
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Re: We are primates. Fist fighting should be completely legal if the circumstances arent too severe. [Re: badchad]
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I agree though i think it goes both ways.
We could certainly benefit to learn from their relationship with Earth.
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#23527536 - 08/10/16 08:26 AM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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some peope are such tree huggers and are against fighting, but fuck that. theres plenty of situations where fighting is the true and only answer
it shud just be legal. your arms and fists are attached to your body
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Re: We are primates. Fist fighting should be completely legal if the circumstances arent too severe. [Re: LSDeez]
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LSDeez said: some peope are such tree huggers and are against fighting
they claim they are but if you read through the posts on this site you'll see those tree huggers are the most violent
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Re: We are primates. Fist fighting should be completely legal if the circumstances arent too severe. [Re: Prisoner#1]
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Prisoner, you are a badass. It disturbed me when I saw in a thread earlier that you would take a gun to a fist fight.
Would you draw in a simple brawl?
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Re: We are primates. Fist fighting should be completely legal if the circumstances arent too severe. [Re: Asante] 1
#23527620 - 08/10/16 08:55 AM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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Asante said: Some friendly hand combat should be legal I feel, especially in self defense.
Friendly combat is allowed in the form of sport. People can ring up anytime they want.
If they are fist fighting in self-defense, there is nothing friendly about it.
We might be primates, but then we also build mountains of concrete and blast people to walk on other celestial objects. Spears, swords and knives leveled the playing field for the weak.
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Re: We are primates. Fist fighting should be completely legal if the circumstances arent too severe. [Re: PatrickKn]
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As a society, we should allow everyone three punches per year. You can only use three within the year, anything beyond that is punishable. You can punch anyone you want.
Don't be the guy who everyone uses their three punches on.
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Re: We are primates. Fist fighting should be completely legal if the circumstances arent too severe. [Re: PatrickKn]
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I disagree.
Not all fighting is meanspirited. Or intended to hArm someone.
Never playwrestled as a kid?
Some adults donrt fuly outgrow that and for them it takes the form of brawling.
Not all fighting is to the hilt, jesus christ guys, lighten up.
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Asante said: Prisoner, you are a badass. It disturbed me when I saw in a thread earlier that you would take a gun to a fist fight.
Would you draw in a simple brawl?
I dont take a gun to a fist fight because I dont want to fight, I want to live my life in peace. if you want to fight then you feel free to do so but dont try to drag me into your violence. if you push that onto me then yes, I will defend myself
there are no simple brawls anymore. if you want to take it to a ring where the situation is under control, that's one thing because at that point it a mutual agreement between 2 parties and there should be others to make sure shit doesnt get out of hand. on the street it's a different story
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Re: We are primates. Fist fighting should be completely legal if the circumstances arent too severe. [Re: Prisoner#1]
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The American situation is extreme. Even little kids get put to counseling if they draw a gun. (by draw I mean, on paper)
Yes, simple brawls still exist. Not every fight should be met with lethal force or legal action.
I dont want to fight, I hate it, but if someone playfully fights with me I dont want to persecute them.
Some people are just like that, particularly extraverted people of low IQ. They shouldnt be treated like truly violent people.
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Re: We are primates. Fist fighting should be completely legal if the circumstances arent too severe. [Re: Asante]
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I disagree Stop getting the gov involved in every corner of existence.
If I want to punch Sheekle in the face I should have every right to do so
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Re: We are primates. Fist fighting should be completely legal if the circumstances arent too severe. [Re: Asante]
#23527681 - 08/10/16 09:18 AM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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I dont want to fight, I hate it, but if someone playfully fights with me I dont want to persecute them.
if you dont want to fight then dont but what happens when someone takes that choice away from you
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Re: We are primates. Fist fighting should be completely legal if the circumstances arent too severe. [Re: Prisoner#1]
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Theres harmless fights and harmful fights. if some drunkard starts shoving me in harmless fashion, I wont involve the cops.
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And if he then punches you in the face a couple times you'll laugh that off as the "playful fighting" of an extrovert with low IQ?
After all, his brawling on you is just the adult form of playwrestling...
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The world has gone and been pussified in many regards
I remember a time when I'd get in a semi-intoxicated disagreement, we'd fight it out, drawing blood, hurting each other, but going until someone had enough. And then going and having a beer together to bury the hatchet
Some of my best friends were a result of a fight
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Agreed I've been in fights and I don't even know why. We just don't like each other. No specific reason. Beat the fuck out of eachother than shook hands after. We weren't friends but there was a mutual respect after. If I saw them getting jumped at a bar or something I'd have there back.
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Re: We are primates. Fist fighting should be completely legal if the circumstances arent too severe. [Re: Asante]
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Asante said: Theres harmless fights and harmful fights. if some drunkard starts shoving me in harmless fashion, I wont involve the cops.
it must be nice to live in the netherlands where you can believe this to be the case
it was like that in the US until the mid 80s
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Re: We are primates. Fist fighting should be completely legal if the circumstances arent too severe. [Re: flickedbic]
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Masked said: The world has gone and been pussified in many regards
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flickedbic said: And if he then punches you in the face a couple times you'll laugh that off as the "playful fighting" of an extrovert with low IQ?
Punching in the face is too aggressive. A punch in the face is an attempt to injure.
There is a more innocent way of fighting.
Not all fighting is serious.
Some fighting is a social activity.
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Re: We are primates. Fist fighting should be completely legal if the circumstances arent too severe. [Re: Prisoner#1]
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Asante said: Theres harmless fights and harmful fights. if some drunkard starts shoving me in harmless fashion, I wont involve the cops.
it must be nice to live in the netherlands where you can believe this to be the case
it was like that in the US until the mid 80s
Its like that in the US too. Not all people who are out to fight are really meaning you well.
You are way too serious Prisoner.
Its almost like you are too scared of people.
By the way.. "Prisoner #1" .. what are you a prisoner of?
Whats in a name?
I'm Asante (Thank You) because I'm grateful in general, grateful to all who are nice and grateful to those who set me straight.
What are you a prisoner of?
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Interestingly, in Washington State there is a mutual combat law which is basically what you describe. If two people agree that they want to have a fist-fight, they can pretty much go at it. Phoenix Jones relies on this fact to be an effective superhero. Here's a potato-quality video of him engaging in mutual combat with an assault suspect, while Seattle police look on.
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Re: We are primates. Fist fighting should be completely legal if the circumstances arent too severe. [Re: Ythan]
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Can we take a moment an acknowledge the realism of OPs video?
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I think thats a good idea.
Its like moderating. its not the same if a troll trolls someonebenevolently or aggressively, maliciously.
We shouldnt overmoderate. Same with police.
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Asante said: Theres harmless fights and harmful fights. if some drunkard starts shoving me in harmless fashion, I wont involve the cops.
it must be nice to live in the netherlands where you can believe this to be the case
it was like that in the US until the mid 80s
Its like that in the US too. Not all people who are out to fight are really meaning you well.
I dont know that
some drunk in a bar comes up and starts shit, I dont know his intent because I slept through my mind reading class and the crystal ball is in the shop for repairs
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You are way too serious Prisoner.
Its almost like you are too scared of people.
I have an obligation to return home every night to my kids, yes, I'm serious, since I dont know what the intentions of some jackass that decided he just has to fight me are I have to take it as a serious threat because if I dont then my kids may end up fatherless. maybe if more people viewed it as I do then we'd have a lot fewer of these people playing shit like the knock out game
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"Theres harmless fights"
I don't know about that man... If someone pushes you it may be harmless, but it's not a fight. Fistfighting is hitting with fists.
You say fist fighting should be legal, but that "Punching in the face is too aggressive. A punch in the face is an attempt to injure."
I would say the definition of a fistfight necessarily includes the attempt to cause injury by hitting with fists...
I believe the law in USA includes a ladder of escalation of force: If someone attacks you with their fist, you can defend with a bat. If someone attacks you with a knife, you can use a gun/ deadly force.
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Masked said: The world has gone and been pussified in many regards
I remember a time when I'd get in a semi-intoxicated disagreement, we'd fight it out, drawing blood, hurting each other, but going until someone had enough. And then going and having a beer together to bury the hatchet
Some of my best friends were a result of a fight
You don't see that behaviour nowadays
ALL of my best friends were a result of some pretty violent fights. When I was in 6th grade this kid pushed me down the stairs so the next day at lunch I smashed a chair over his head and he was out of classes for like a week, I'm not sure why but we got to hanging out. We're still best friends 
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Re: We are primates. Fist fighting should be completely legal if the circumstances ar ent too severe. [Re: Asante]
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Asante said: Prisoner, you are a badass. It disturbed me when I saw in a thread earlier that you would take a gun to a fist fight.
Would you draw in a simple brawl?
This is so backwards If Im attacked and I have a gun and my attacker doesnt retreat before I get then, I kill them
a 'simple brawl' doesnt mean anything. what, a bar brawl where some cunt could easily get the better of you and break a bottle on your head? anything can happen. fists are plenty to cause lasting damage with. You dont have any idea what you are talk ng about. These are thoughts of someone who has been too comforted from physical confrontation
the lack of severity comes at the end when someone stops escalating or looses.
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Y'all are so eager to escalate the violence.
No sense of "boys will be boys".
If I'm being a dick and someone would bitchslap me around under the right circumstances, I'd shove back but would not testify to the police.
Some kinds of fighting are just rowdy and not meanspirited.
I think y'all are scared or have a too high strung sense of honor.
For some people fighting is recreational. Its not MY idea of fun but I respect it.
How do you guys feel about, like a mosh pit?
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mosh pit The ultimate way to show your love for your loud, pounding music taste. Controlled violence. The thing about the Mosh Pit is NOONE will take offence at you whacking them in the face...(I personally congradulate those that get a good shot in) there are different type of "pits" you can participate in, here are a few.
Closed Pit: Tight, hard to move and hard to breathe. A closed pit will usually happen during popular heavy songs like Slipknot - Duality or a S.O.A.D song.
Open Pit: Generally the worst/best you can pick a target and reach them, throw them across the floor punch them, barge them. There's enough room to just dive about punching everyone still causing little offece (Do be prepared to be hit back...a lot) songs that will get open pits are the less popular but heavy ones. Motograter music gathers a lot of open pits.
Circle Pit: The larger or stronger Moshers or Metal heads will run around in an empty circle punching those on the outside of the circle and pushing the runner infront until he either leaves or falls to be trodden on. these will happen on most slayer songs.
Slam-dancing Pits: Created by "Wooble" of Wolverhmapton fame. One hand will be behind back at all times (usually holding your beer) and the other one will be swinging side to side, whaloping other slam-dancers and headbanging to yourself. Lamb Of God - Now You've Got Something To Die For Is perfect to slam-dance to.
Piss-take Pits: Maetal heads will enjoy poking fun at the emo music by doe-see-doeing and linking arms and swinging happily...Some even girly-mosh in where they rest their heads on tachothers shoulders and flail their arms madly. this is where you generally ignore themusic and do stupid things while the emo's dance.
Any phisical damage done in a mosh pit should be "handshaked" away no hard feelings, enjoy
I never moshed but I respect it and I'm open to it.
Is this an 80s thing? a europe thing?
Or are y'all too alienated from each other?
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Haha,I remember I was just saying this in another thread.
I agree, mutual combat should be a law.
Like in Washington, hand to hand mutual combat is legal as long as cops referee.
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You and I are sweet as peaches. We are not about harming others. Its not a violence thing, its a passion thing I guess.
Its not about defeating the other but acting out together.
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Crystal G said: Haha,I remember I was just saying this in another thread.
You and I are sweet as peaches. Its not a violence thing, its a passion thing I guess.
Its not about defeating the other but acting out together.
Can you imagine living in the state of Washington and being that operator who gets that phone call?
"911, what is your emergency"
"Yes I need some cops out here ASAP, my friend and I need to brawl and we need a police officer to referee STAT."
"Ok they'll be right there hang on tight don't start the fight without them"
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Re: We are primates. Fist fighting should be completely legal if the circumstances arent too severe. [Re: Crystal G]
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Is that really a thing, that a cop must referee it?
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what you are talking about is 'playing' verging on assult, in a way only really close people or those who maybe now how to should. Things escalate
In reality , you dont know what someone who assults you is going to do.
I dont understand what you man about honor. I am talking about avoiding brain damage, or other injuries, even getting kiled. One wrong move is all it takes
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Crystal G said: Haha,I remember I was just saying this in another thread.
You and I are sweet as peaches. We are not about harming others. Its not a violence thing, its a passion thing I guess.
Its not about defeating the other but acting out together.
Thats not how it works. that is how you get yourself injured. If you want to brawl somebody, you need to make sure its consentual, maybe sign a release, go to a place where people compete when its free.
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Re: We are primates. Fist fighting should be completely legal if the circumstances arent too severe. [Re: specialpeopleclub]
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Things can escalate but not all people are intending to escalate beyond a brawl.
But yes, you cant know that.
Here is something of interest.
The French fire department RIOTING vs the riot police. Yes that is a thing here in europe. Rioting WITHOUT it becoming a bloodbath.
You dont take a gun, you don't take a blade, you just come with your hands and feet and mayhem in mind without wanting to harm people.
THIS is how you riot:
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Re: We are primates. Fist fighting should be completely legal if the circumstances arent too severe. [Re: specialpeopleclub]
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Asante said: Is that really a thing, that a cop must referee it?
Yes, I think that part of the law probably exists to ensure it's a fair fight and nobody gangs up on 1 person, or nobody pulls out weapons.
http://www.policemag.com/channel/patrol/news/2012/11/12/video-seattle-cops-allow-mutual-combat.aspx
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specialpeopleclub said: Thats not how it works. that is how you get yourself injured. If you want to brawl somebody, you need to make sure its consentual, maybe sign a release, go to a place where people compete when its free.
do you know about concussions?
When two people agree to get into a fight (hence the term MUTUAL combat, because it involves mutual consent), they knowingly take those risks. Everybody knows you could come out of a fight with smashed teeth and broken bones.
If you are worried about getting brain damage, nobody says you have to fight. Nobody is advocating for the nonconsensual assault of another person.
And besides, under Washington law, the fight becomes illegal if somebody is injured or property is damaged. Which is probably why cops must referee.
This law exists to prevent people from snitching to cops or suing the other person later simply because they lost the fight.
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Re: We are primates. Fist fighting should be completely legal if the circumstances arent too severe. [Re: specialpeopleclub]
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Jerking off in public should be legal too. Someone could go to the zoo and see a chimp do the same and they would be like 'oh that is just nature' maybe have a little laugh about it, but I whip my dick out on the bus and now I'm a registered sex offender.
It's natural yo, and making natural things illegal is the business of uptight and troublesome overachievers.
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Re: We are primates. Fist fighting should be completely legal if the circumstances arent too severe. [Re: Crystal G]
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Those riots lok like they have tear gss and destroid proporty. Riots are terrible, rioters sould be arrested and charg3d as harshly as possible at all times. Destroying proporty is violence, stopping taffic is violnce, causing a situation where one incident could ignite a huge group of people is stupid. I dont know how you got from completely terrible views on brawling to supporting riots
ya, no want to harm. Fucking idiotic. people arent a unit, and some are defenatly going to want to harm
The washington law is stupid. this is like, some infuriating level of ignorance to the severity of consequences in which physical confrontaton can cause.
a law to stop snitching. injuring the other person is the point. win or loose, if Im assulted, I should be able to go to the cops. Competition is one thing, this gets stupid people hurt. one good hit, your brain jostels, life long problems, maybe medical bills. Maybe their lawyer says they have to sue.
No, people dont understand the consequences. Asante doesnt. He is theorizing. Most people dont get into brawls, and some just win a few and their head grows huge and they still dont understand the severity of those choices. It isnt the same happening to another
women tend not to gt in real brwls at all and, in my experiance, rarely have any opinions of substance on the subject
not talking about you crystal G. I mean in real life. wome rarely get real beatings or choked out, nless they pick retards to be with. Thats differant though, a whole other psychological problem
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specialpeopleclub said: Those riots lok like they have tear gss and destroid proporty. Riots are terrible, rioters sould be arrested and charg3d as harshly as possible at all times. Destroying proporty is violence, stopping taffic is violnce, causing a situation where one incident could ignite a huge group of people is stupid. I dont know how you got from completely terrible views on brawling to supporting riots
How did you gather the fact that I support riots?
I mean, I do support rioting of the people, but only if it is for a just political movement against a tyrannical fascist system. But that shouldn't have been evident in my earlier post, since I mentioned nothing about advocating for rioting or looting or destruction of property.
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a law to stop snitching. injuring the other person is the point. win or loose, if Im assulted, I should be able to go to the cops.
Nobody is advocating for the nonconsensual assault of another person. If you're assaulted, you simply go to the cops.
"Mutual combat" doesn't cover assaults where you are punched and didn't want to be hit. Mutual combat exists to allow 2 people who want to engage in a mutual hand-to-hand fight.
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I was refering to asante about rioting. No political good comes from it. people get hurt
how will we know its consentual? do we need a legal document? we already have this problem with sex and not knowing consent after the fact. People will consent, loose, and then claim they didnt consent, then the other person can claim self defence
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specialpeopleclub said: how will we know its consentual? do we need a legal document? we already have this problem with sex and not knowing consent after the fact. People will consent, loose, and then claim they didnt consent.
That is the whole reason cops are supposed to referee the fight under Washington law, so they can assess whether it was consensual or not.
Usually, when people engage in a consensual fight, they go back and forth hyping each other up, circling around each other, daring one another to fight them, insulting one another and their momma, etc.
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Re: We are primates. Fist fighting should be completely legal if the circumstances arent too severe. [Re: Crystal G]
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Ythan said: Interestingly, in Washington State there is a mutual combat law which is basically what you describe. If two people agree that they want to have a fist-fight, they can pretty much go at it.
If we shake on it like gentlemen theres absolutely no need for the police to get involved. Although I cant imagine that'll stop the women from bleating whenever a fight breaks out.
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If we shake on it like gentlemen theres absolutely no need for the police to get involved. Although I cant imagine that'll stop the women from bleating whenever a fight breaks out.
STAHHHP...STAHHHP IT, YOU GUYS ARE ANIMALS 
Haha, that might be true of Canadian women, you've obviously never seen American hillbilly women or hoodrat women. They'll jump into a fight over ANYTHING.
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so, we waste tx payer money on every fucking pair of morons, not that cops necesarally know anything about actually getting in a rawl.They probably know more then most, but they get to referee? This is like some parody nonsense, it must be liberals are fucking moronsQuote:
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If we shake on it like gentlemen theres absolutely no need for the police to get involved. Although I cant imagine that'll stop the women from bleating whenever a fight breaks out.
STAHHHP...STAHHHP IT, YOU GUYS ARE ANIMALS 
Haha, that might be true of Canadian women, you've obviously never seen American hillbilly women or hoodrat women. They'll jump into a fight over ANYTHING. 
the days of real ladies and men are going
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Re: We are primates. Fist fighting should be completely legal if the circumstances arent too severe. [Re: Crystal G]
#23528764 - 08/10/16 04:38 PM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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We have those types here too, but if you get into a fight around regular people thats the typical reaction. Someone throws a shot and fucking pandemonium breaks out.
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specialpeopleclub said: the days of real ladies and men are going
You say shit like that, yet back in the day men actually had honor in getting into duels. People back in the days used to challenge another man to a fight one-on-one, and there was honor and integrity in having a fair fight.
Apparently not anymore, people are bitches who want to arrest or sue the other person simply because their pride and dignity was hurt.
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We actually waste more tax money throwing people who were consensually fighting in jail.
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Re: We are primates. Fist fighting should be completely legal if the circumstances arent too severe. [Re: Asante]
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I never fight, but I can relate to that sometimes people just gotta fight, if the circumstances and consequences arent too severe.
Some friendly hand combat should be legal I feel, especially in self defense.
We are a species of great ape, some of us get rowdy sometimes.
how do you guys feel about it?
haha damn that guy kicked some ass!!!
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The time of dueling was short nd many people died over nothing That isnt honor, just like what Muslims call 'honor' isnt honor. Its shows no respect for life
if its only pride and dignity thats hurt, then you are fortunate. most peple avoid these things and dont really experiance them
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specialpeopleclub said: The time of dueling was short nd many people died over nothing That isnt honor, just like what Muslims call 'honor' isnt honor. Its shows no respect for life
if its only pride and dignity thats hurt, then you are fortunate. most peple avoid these things and dont really experiance them
Yeah, and if you don't want to get involved in a fight to avoid injury, don't. Nobody is saying you HAVE to fight.
But if two people consent and want to get involved in a fight, why should anybody intervene and stop them? Their bodies, their right.
It's nothing like honor killings where one person who obviously doesn't want to be killed, is murdered over something trivial.
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Re: We are primates. Fist fighting should be completely legal if the circumstances arent too severe. [Re: Crystal G]
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Two people can fight, right? Just not in public places, and no gamlbing, and it is just considered sport.
It's the drunken out of control fights that are illegal, and these usually aren't noble they are usually pretty lame and desperate scrabbles.
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moonrockmushy said: Two people can fight, right? Just not in public places, and no gamlbing, and it is just considered sport.
It's the drunken out of control fights that are illegal, and these usually aren't noble they are usually pretty lame and desperate scrabbles.
Drunk one-on-one fights should actually be safer than sober fights. The reason for this is because drunk people tend to move slower, they don't get hit as hard, and their entire body is relaxed so they should be safer from any injuries should they fall or anything like that.
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Re: We are primates. Fist fighting should be completely legal if the circumstances arent too severe. [Re: moonrockmushy]
#23528831 - 08/10/16 04:57 PM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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Sparing is ok. Streets im with pris.
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Re: We are primates. Fist fighting should be completely legal if the circumstances arent too severe. [Re: Crystal G]
#23528835 - 08/10/16 04:58 PM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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They also lose their temper and bust out weapons because they are inebriated.
I think alcoholics die from anuerisms and brain injuries quite often actually from falling. They will be less likely to react and protect vital organs, and more likely to not know where to draw the line.
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Re: We are primates. Fist fighting should be completely legal if the circumstances arent too severe. [Re: Crystal G]
#23528838 - 08/10/16 05:00 PM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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We already have that. Most of the time it isnt consentual, is difficult to avoid. Go somewhere where people wing call the police, maybe get a noterized statement of consent, and do so.
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moonrockmushy said: They also lose their temper and bust out weapons because they are inebriated.
I think alcoholics die from anuerisms and brain injuries quite often actually from falling. They will be less likely to react and protect vital organs, and more likely to not know where to draw the line.
No it's the opposite, although that might be true if they hit their head in an unlucky way. Usually alcoholics and people on opiates and other downers tend to be protected, because their entire body is relaxed during impact. That's why drunk drivers often survive accidents where everybody else dies.
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Re: We are primates. Fist fighting should be completely legal if the circumstances arent too severe. [Re: Crystal G]
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Yeah well injuries from fistfights are going to be different from injuries incurred in rapid deceleration. In one situation reflexes work for you, in the other being tense and aware can work against you.
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A loose neck and slowed reflexes so your brain gets to bounce as much as possible
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Re: We are primates. Fist fighting should be completely legal if the circumstances arent too severe. [Re: Asante]
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flickedbic said: And if he then punches you in the face a couple times you'll laugh that off as the "playful fighting" of an extrovert with low IQ?
Punching in the face is too aggressive. A punch in the face is an attempt to injure.
There is a more innocent way of fighting.
Not all fighting is serious.
Some fighting is a social activity.
You are one crazy drug addict man
You're so optimistic it only makes sense to think this is just your internet persona
Like seriously, you don't want to be in a street fight in America or your country, we are NOT apes
Seriously I get a good laugh at so me of your posts, you say prisoner is so serious, I think he's just being nice to you because otherwise he'd be nasty, considering some of your deranged opinions
No offense intended at all. You're a cool dude and all, just bat shit crazy
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Re: We are primates. Fist fighting should be completely legal if the circumstances arent too severe. [Re: stzacrack]
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edit: nvm.
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Uhh yeah we are apes Great apes but apes nonetheless
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Great thread Asante. I completely agree with this, and used to engage in a lot of it, either one on one or in big gang fights (they were fucking wild, really enjoyed them at the period of my life when I was involved in all that).
The problem is, on the street, unless it's moderated (as in the vid Ythan posted) there's always gonna be some sneaky fuck who cheats to win.
When it happened to me, I offered a guy out fair and square, and he declined. After I turned and walked several feet away he made a run at me and sucker punched me in the back of the head. I was out cold, only time I ever have been, so I rely on eyewitness testimony to know what happened next; he proceeded to stamp on my face a bunch of times and kick my head like a football several times before running off down the street.
The first thing I remember was lifting my head up off the pavement and staring at the huge pool of blood I'd been laying in. An ambulance turned up and took me to hospital where it took over a dozen stitches to sew me up.
I haven't had a fight since. I'm lucky I didn't end up brain damage. But that night that guy did something far worse. He took away a belief that was very dear to my heart. The belief that two humans, should the situation call for it, would have some honour in a fight.
The seed of the misanthropy I feel weighing on me these days first started to grow that night. What you suggest warms the idealistic feelings in my heart, but this world is waaaaayyy too fucked up to ever see this as reality IMO.
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Re: We are primates. Fist fighting should be completely legal if the circumstances arent too severe. [Re: Jokeshopbeard]
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I dream of the day I can dial up police referee's and force a fair fight. Dishonourable actions like that would be punished by fines that get kicked back to the defendant. Close family members would be mailed a personal letter stating that such and such was being soft-headed. A mans paradise.
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Come on bro, I know you understood what I was getting at
Should we be allowed to rape and kill like wild animals?
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Re: We are primates. Fist fighting should be completely legal if the circumstances arent too severe. [Re: Bodhi of Ankou]
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Re: We are primates. Fist fighting should be completely legal if the circumstances arent too severe. [Re: stzacrack]
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Come on bro, I know you understood what I was getting at
Should we be allowed to rape and kill like wild animals?
Well philosophically we are all allowed that, as are other animals. What people are saying isn't that people shouldn't be able to fight, of course they can, but other people being expected to view all consensual fights and noble and a sacred right is sort of wishful thinking. We all try to influence other people's behavior. These days having a bunch of money is more important than being able to win a fight, so the people with the money win and the people who fight lose. Just the way of the world
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Come on bro, I know you understood what I was getting at
Should we be allowed to rape and kill like wild animals?
Rape and murder have victims who don't consent to these things. Two people agreeing to a fight is a consensual fight.
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If a drunk person starts a fight with you, and you fight back, does that mean you assaulted him because he couldn't consent to the fight even though he started it?
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PatrickKn said: If a drunk person starts a fight with you, and you fight back, does that mean you assaulted him because he couldn't consent to the fight even though he started it?
I guess it would depend on how drunk somebody is.
Because usually, if a person is so drunk they are falling over themselves, any respectable person would refuse to fight him.
They'd be like "Dude wtf, I'm not going to hit that guy, look at him, he's like a retard slobbering all over himself." At that point it's just pathetic to even fight somebody.
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Re: We are primates. Fist fighting should be completely legal if the circumstances arent too severe. [Re: Crystal G]
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PatrickKn said: If a drunk person starts a fight with you, and you fight back, does that mean you assaulted him because he couldn't consent to the fight even though he started it?
I guess it would depend on how drunk somebody is.
Because usually, if a person is so drunk they are falling over themselves, any respectable person would refuse to fight him.
They'd be like "Dude wtf, I'm not going to hit that guy, look at him, he's like a retard slobbering all over himself." At that point it's just pathetic to even fight somebody.
Fair enough.
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Re: We are primates. Fist fighting should be completely legal if the circumstances arent too severe. [Re: PatrickKn]
#23529268 - 08/10/16 07:09 PM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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lol, that one with all the washing lines in view was great.
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Re: We are primates. Fist fighting should be completely legal if the circumstances arent too severe. [Re: Crystal G]
#23529274 - 08/10/16 07:10 PM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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PatrickKn said: If a drunk person starts a fight with you, and you fight back, does that mean you assaulted him because he couldn't consent to the fight even though he started it?
I guess it would depend on how drunk somebody is.
Because usually, if a person is so drunk they are falling over themselves, any respectable person would refuse to fight him.
They'd be like "Dude wtf, I'm not going to hit that guy, look at him, he's like a retard slobbering all over himself." At that point it's just pathetic to even fight somebody.
Depending on the situation, if a drunk starts it with me, they are going to catch a beating. Being drunk as fuck and starting fights is what is pathetic. Any dumb drunk starting fights deserves an ass whooping. -edit cops don't do shit for aggro drunks in my area
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Re: We are primates. Fist fighting should be completely legal if the circumstances arent too severe. [Re: Asante]
#23529283 - 08/10/16 07:13 PM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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People should learn grappling so they can defend themselves in unarmed combat without needing to cause serious damage.
With Judo you can control a crazy person without hurting them for example
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Re: We are primates. Fist fighting should be completely legal if the circumstances arent too severe. [Re: Moonshoe]
#23529298 - 08/10/16 07:17 PM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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Just as soon as I have the time, I'll be setting about learning Kenpō, for these reasons:
-Kenpo is a system of self-defense. Its techniques are almost entirely counters; typical schools of kenpo do not teach their students how to attack people.
-Kenpo is not about fighting. A Kenpo practitioner does not "feel out" his opponent. Once the kenpo practitioner is attacked, his aim is to end the fight however he can as quickly and efficiently as possible.
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Re: We are primates. Fist fighting should be completely legal if the circumstances arent too severe. [Re: Moonshoe]
#23529326 - 08/10/16 07:23 PM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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It pisses me off when guys I want to fight are pussies. They know they can act like bitches because the law protects them from getting a beat down. I have a neighbor whom I would literally pay a couple of bills to fight me, but the little bitch is too chickenshit. I'd even let him have the first punch, or bum rush me. Fuck, if I put him in the hospital I'd even file it on my insurance policy like I'd injured him in a car wreck. Dammit. Rant done.
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Re: We are primates. Fist fighting should be completely legal if the circumstances arent too severe. [Re: ByCoverOfNight] 1
#23529333 - 08/10/16 07:25 PM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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Okay, tough guy.
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Re: We are primates. Fist fighting should be completely legal if the circumstances arent too severe. [Re: Jokeshopbeard]
#23529368 - 08/10/16 07:36 PM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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Jokeshopbeard said: Just as soon as I have the time, I'll be setting about learning Kenpō, for these reasons:
-Kenpo is a system of self-defense. Its techniques are almost entirely counters; typical schools of kenpo do not teach their students how to attack people.
-Kenpo is not about fighting. A Kenpo practitioner does not "feel out" his opponent. Once the kenpo practitioner is attacked, his aim is to end the fight however he can as quickly and efficiently as possible.
Souce
Kenpo is really impractical for self-defense, it requires the use of a sword of a wooden pole
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Re: We are primates. Fist fighting should be completely legal if the circumstances arent too severe. [Re: PatrickKn]
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Re: We are primates. Fist fighting should be completely legal if the circumstances arent too severe. [Re: Crystal G]
#23529380 - 08/10/16 07:40 PM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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You are thinking of kendo
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Re: We are primates. Fist fighting should be completely legal if the circumstances arent too severe. [Re: Moonshoe]
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Re: We are primates. Fist fighting should be completely legal if the circumstances arent too severe. [Re: Crystal G]
#23529411 - 08/10/16 07:49 PM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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Aikido is good for self defense that minimizes hurt/injury to an attacker.
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Re: We are primates. Fist fighting should be completely legal if the circumstances arent too severe. [Re: California]
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Hey pris....You feeling lucky......punk? 
(always wanted to say that and you seem like the type of person who would do a showdown lol)
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Re: We are primates. Fist fighting should be completely legal if the circumstances arent too severe. [Re: flickedbic]
#23529989 - 08/11/16 12:32 AM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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flickedbic said: I believe the law in USA includes a ladder of escalation of force: If someone attacks you with their fist, you can defend with a bat. If someone attacks you with a knife, you can use a gun/ deadly force.
you believe wrong
if someone attacks me with their fists, I can use deadly force, all that is needed is for me to believe that I will come to harm. I dont have to be concerned with whether I believe they intend to kill me though that gives a much stronger case for self defense just as the presence of a weapon does.
self defense does not require me to use 'just enough' force to stop an attack, it doesnt have an obligation of retreat to a safe space.
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Re: We are primates. Fist fighting should be completely legal if the circumstances arent too severe. [Re: Crystal G]
#23530006 - 08/11/16 12:48 AM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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Rape and murder have victims who don't consent to these things.
so does battery and aggravated assault
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Re: We are primates. Fist fighting should be completely legal if the circumstances arent too severe. [Re: Prisoner#1]
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Rape and murder have victims who don't consent to these things.
so does battery and aggravated assault
If you hit somebody who doesn't want to fight, that's assault. If you two are fighting together though, then what do you do, charge both people with assault? No, just let them fight. Intervene or stop them if things start to escalate too much, but you don't have to book them.
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you believe wrong
if someone attacks me with their fists, I can use deadly force, all that is needed is for me to believe that I will come to harm. I dont have to be concerned with whether I believe they intend to kill me though that gives a much stronger case for self defense just as the presence of a weapon does.
self defense does not require me to use 'just enough' force to stop an attack, it doesnt have an obligation of retreat to a safe space.
Not true, there was a woman in California who was arrested and even served time for shooting an unknown assailant who hit her in the head with a brick from behind.
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Re: We are primates. Fist fighting should be completely legal if the circumstances arent too severe. [Re: Crystal G]
#23530023 - 08/11/16 01:05 AM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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Rape and murder have victims who don't consent to these things.
so does battery and aggravated assault
If you hit somebody who doesn't want to fight, that's assault. If you two are fighting together though, then what do you do, charge both people with assault? No, just let them fight. Intervene or stop them if things start to escalate too much, but you don't have to book them.
if you hit me and I didnt want to fight, it's assault, if you hit me and I hit you back it's called self defense,not mutual combat because I dint want to fight, if you hit me and I hoot you dead, it's still self defense because I didnt want to fight but you took that choice away from me and I took all further choices from you
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you believe wrong
if someone attacks me with their fists, I can use deadly force, all that is needed is for me to believe that I will come to harm. I dont have to be concerned with whether I believe they intend to kill me though that gives a much stronger case for self defense just as the presence of a weapon does.
self defense does not require me to use 'just enough' force to stop an attack, it doesnt have an obligation of retreat to a safe space.
Not true, there was a woman in California who was arrested and even served time for shooting an unknown assailant who hit her in the head with a brick from behind.
keep in mind that california is a liberal stronghold where the citizens have lost their rights because they wanted to be victims, they werent happy being humans, they had to be statistics. I talk about real places, not a land of fictitious characters that make their living glorifying violence and then telling you violence is wrong
now link to that case
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Re: We are primates. Fist fighting should be completely legal if the circumstances arent too severe. [Re: Crystal G]
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Yeah, if you don't fully get where I'm coming from, I must seem quite crazy at times.
Sometimes consensus reality is wrong. Not all fighting is malicious and should be met with escalation and jail time.
Some fighting is just people being big kids.
Crystal G, eventhough you are not a man I think you can relate to this video:
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Re: We are primates. Fist fighting should be completely legal if the circumstances arent too severe. [Re: Prisoner#1]
#23530106 - 08/11/16 02:11 AM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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you believe wrong
if someone attacks me with their fists, I can use deadly force, all that is needed is for me to believe that I will come to harm. I dont have to be concerned with whether I believe they intend to kill me though that gives a much stronger case for self defense just as the presence of a weapon does.
self defense does not require me to use 'just enough' force to stop an attack, it doesnt have an obligation of retreat to a safe space.
Weren't you also saying that parents should have the legal right to spank their kids, why is that not considered assault?
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Re: We are primates. Fist fighting should be completely legal if the circumstances arent too severe. [Re: Asante]
#23530108 - 08/11/16 02:14 AM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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Asante said: Yeah, if you don't fully get where I'm coming from, I must seem quite crazy at times.
Sometimes consensus reality is wrong. Not all fighting is malicious and should be met with escalation and jail time.
Some fighting is just people being big kids.
Crystal G, eventhough you are not a man I think you can relate to this video:
Seen that video.
I get confused for a man literally all the time, I can't even remember the last time I was ever called Miss or Ma'am since maybe I was a teenager, I might as well be a man.
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#23530121 - 08/11/16 02:32 AM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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I mean this in the most friendly and positive way possible, but you are more man than most men, and you're a whole lotta woman.
The world is losing the plot. Let us not.
Whats being a man or a woman anyway?
Its mostly about being authentic.
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#23530127 - 08/11/16 02:37 AM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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Asante said: I mean this in the most friendly and positive way possible, but you are more man than most men, and you're a whole lotta woman.
The world is losing the plot. Let us not.
Whats being a man or a woman anyway?
Its mostly about being authentic.
That is the greatest compliment I've gotten in a long time.
Also I love 80's, but I've never heard of that song.
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Prisoner#1 said: if you hit me and I didnt want to fight, it's assault, if you hit me and I hit you back it's called self defense,not mutual combat because I dint want to fight, if you hit me and I hoot you dead, it's still self defense because I didnt want to fight but you took that choice away from me and I took all further choices from you
Again, this is important why cops referee, if they witness you get hit when you didn't want to fight, then you don't even have to defend yourself, you can just get them arrested for assault. But most likely if the cops are called there in the first place it's because you have agreed to partake in a consensual duel.
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Re: We are primates. Fist fighting should be completely legal if the circumstances arent too severe. [Re: Asante]
#23530137 - 08/11/16 02:47 AM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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I think its a step in the right direction, it helps heal a diseased society.
Whos with us?
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Re: We are primates. Fist fighting should be completely legal if the circumstances arent too severe. [Re: Crystal G]
#23530140 - 08/11/16 02:50 AM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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It should totally be legal to hit somebody. But in order to prevent abuse of smaller, weaker people getting constantly beaten up and pushed around, it should only be legal to hit somebody who's significantly bigger than you.
Because you know somebody way bigger than you could easily hand you your ass and knock your ass out. Which means if you're bigger and you get hit, it's because that person thought about what could possibly happen to them, but you really deserved it.
And for those that didn't realize and are about to make a post arguing with me about this, this was a joke.
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Re: We are primates. Fist fighting should be completely legal if the circumstances arent too severe. [Re: Crystal G]
#23530146 - 08/11/16 02:53 AM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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Big and small is relative.
Some small people make formidable opponents. sometimes a small fighter can completely pwn a big fighter. Its a matter of spirit more than of body size.
Of course I got it easy when I'mn amped, I'm the biggest guy in the room a lot of the time, 355 lbs (and dropping!)
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Re: We are primates. Fist fighting should be completely legal if the circumstances arent too severe. [Re: Asante]
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Asante said: Big and small is relative.
Some small people make formidable opponents. sometimes a small fighter can completely pwn a big fighter. Its a matter of spirit more than of body size.
Of course I got it easy when I'mn amped, I'm the biggest guy in the room a lot of the time, 355 lbs (and dropping!)
Only to a certain degree.
You know this midget could easily get his ass handed to him, but of course nobody wants to have the shame of being that guy that laid a midget's ass out, so everybody has no choice but to put up with it 
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HAHAHAHA yes I would totaly let him pwn me, it would be hilarious.
See thats one case where deadly force and persecution is ridiculous,
Maybe its a a PCP thing we share Crystal G?
That or martial arts fighting spirit.
http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x16dr4f_i-can-break-these-cuffs_tv
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Re: We are primates. Fist fighting should be completely legal if the circumstances arent too severe. [Re: Asante]
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Asante said: HAHAHAHA yes I would totaly let him pwn me, it would be hilarious.
See thats one case where deadly force and persecution is ridiculous,
Maybe its a a PCP thing we share Crystal G?
That or martial arts fighting spirit.
http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x16dr4f_i-can-break-these-cuffs_tv

Fuck dude, I would even have to let him pwn ME. I don't want to be known as that shameless person who smacked around a midget. 
Technically he's committing assault, but who's really going to call the cops or pull out a weapon or jump this dude?
Plus, it's totally a badge of honor. Like "I got beaten up by a midget yo" 
Also I saw that Cops episode a long time ago, the part where he climbs up the telephone pole LOLLOLLLLLOLLLLLL
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Re: We are primates. Fist fighting should be completely legal if the circumstances arent too severe. [Re: Prisoner#1]
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flickedbic said: I believe the law in USA includes a ladder of escalation of force: If someone attacks you with their fist, you can defend with a bat. If someone attacks you with a knife, you can use a gun/ deadly force.
you believe wrong
if someone attacks me with their fists, I can use deadly force, all that is needed is for me to believe that I will come to harm. I dont have to be concerned with whether I believe they intend to kill me though that gives a much stronger case for self defense just as the presence of a weapon does.
self defense does not require me to use 'just enough' force to stop an attack, it doesnt have an obligation of retreat to a safe space.
That is not reasonable. Like the quote I provided said, if someone has you pinned to the ground choking you, then deadly force may be used reasonably. Not just that you believe that you'll come to any harm. You gonna shoot me dead for trying to give you a purple nurple, or a Charlie horse by punching your leg? Not if you want to be free afterwards, despite the potential harm of the purple nurple or Charlie horse.
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you are justified in threatening or using physical force to defend yourself against another to the extent that a reasonable person would believe it is immediately necessary to protect themself against another person’s use of unlawful physical force against them. For example, if someone is punching you, or attempting to punch you, you may use just enough physical force against them to stop them from punching you. You may not punch them until they fall to the ground and then start kicking them.
(...) you are justified in threatening or using deadly physical force against another if a reasonable person would believe that deadly physical force is immediately necessary to protect yourself against the other’s use, or attempted use, of unlawful deadly physical force against you. For example, if someone is threatening you with deadly force, such as a knife, bat, or a gun, you may use a level of physical force which may kill them in order stop them from harming you. However, deadly physical force does not require a weapon. If someone has you pinned down and is choking you, you would probably be justified in using deadly force to protect yourself.
The police and prosecutors look at many factors when deciding whether or not the use of deadly force is justified in a self-defense situation. If a lone 140 pound woman is being physically attacked by a 250 pound unarmed man, the woman may be justified in using deadly physical force to defend herself. The prosecutor is going to consider the reasonableness of the use of force in deciding whether to prosecute. If a reasonable person would believe that the use of deadly force was necessary for the woman to protect herself, then it would be justified.
Arizona Stand Your Ground
Here is the supposedly controversial part of the law. You do not have a duty to retreat before threatening or using deadly physical force if you are in a place where you may legally be and you are not engaged in an unlawful act.
http://www.davismiles.com/arizona-self-defense-and-the-truth-about-stand-your-ground/
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Prisoner#1 said: you believe wrong
if someone attacks me with their fists, I can use deadly force, all that is needed is for me to believe that I will come to harm. I dont have to be concerned with whether I believe they intend to kill me though that gives a much stronger case for self defense just as the presence of a weapon does.
self defense does not require me to use 'just enough' force to stop an attack, it doesnt have an obligation of retreat to a safe space.
That is not reasonable. Like the quote I provided said, if someone has you pinned to the ground choking you, then deadly force may be used reasonably. Not just that you believe that you'll come to any harm. You gonna shoot me dead for trying to give you a purple nurple, or a Charlie horse by punching your leg? Not if you want to be free afterwards, despite the potential harm of the purple nurple or Charlie horse.
Reasonable force:
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you are justified in threatening or using physical force to defend yourself against another to the extent that a reasonable person would believe it is immediately necessary to protect themself against another person’s use of unlawful physical force against them. For example, if someone is punching you, or attempting to punch you, you may use just enough physical force against them to stop them from punching you. You may not punch them until they fall to the ground and then start kicking them.
(...) you are justified in threatening or using deadly physical force against another if a reasonable person would believe that deadly physical force is immediately necessary to protect yourself against the other’s use, or attempted use, of unlawful deadly physical force against you. For example, if someone is threatening you with deadly force, such as a knife, bat, or a gun, you may use a level of physical force which may kill them in order stop them from harming you. However, deadly physical force does not require a weapon. If someone has you pinned down and is choking you, you would probably be justified in using deadly force to protect yourself.
The police and prosecutors look at many factors when deciding whether or not the use of deadly force is justified in a self-defense situation. If a lone 140 pound woman is being physically attacked by a 250 pound unarmed man, the woman may be justified in using deadly physical force to defend herself. The prosecutor is going to consider the reasonableness of the use of force in deciding whether to prosecute. If a reasonable person would believe that the use of deadly force was necessary for the woman to protect herself, then it would be justified.
Arizona Stand Your Ground
Here is the supposedly controversial part of the law. You do not have a duty to retreat before threatening or using deadly physical force if you are in a place where you may legally be and you are not engaged in an unlawful act.
http://www.davismiles.com/arizona-self-defense-and-the-truth-about-stand-your-ground/
Pris is indeed wrong and it would be unwise to follow his advice since there's no legal basis behind it. If your life isn't threatened, you can't just shoot somebody. You can't just shoot somebody simply because you're in a fist fight with somebody, unless you believe you are near death or your life is in danger.
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Re: We are primates. Fist fighting should be completely legal if the circumstances arent too severe. [Re: ManianFH]
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haha damn that guy kicked some ass!!!
Bud Spencer, quite a character. A family man, movie maker, actor and Italian national swimming champion. Strong like a bear.
The movies are incredibly simplistic and unintellectual but pleasantly engaging, about the complicated friendship between two brawlers, Bud Spencer and Terrence Hill. Dont expect anything intellectualy challenging but if you wanna watch a movie of them, you might try Crime Busters. Goes well with weed or a beer.
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Re: We are primates. Fist fighting should be completely legal if the circumstances arent too severe. [Re: Asante]
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You can be plenty threatened without your assailent being armed
Think of it this way, two people consent, the cops refferee, and one of the peole gets hit wrong, falls, and their head bounces. Now they have a concussion and years of trauma possibly over this, and the cops could have and should have preventd it
If yu want to consebntualo brawl, then go somewhere private and shut the fuck up, or go to a propper venue like a cage
Asante, crystal, yor views on this are not just clueless, but emarassing and show a lack of experiance in the subject.
If someone comes at me with intent to harm, and I have the means, I will take their life. Tat is rasonable, just as it is reasonable to excute an intruder. I have no obligation to them as people if they act like that.
brawling isnt mutual, it isnt playing, if you arent both playing, you are trying to hurt and incapacitate the other. Its consesual when its over and charges arent pressed.
The April before last I was at a gas station, someone accused me of buming their car. I got out and offered to call insurence, get the cops(standard procedure), though I didnt see anything. I am about to get my papers(drive off, he was sketchy), and he sucker punches me. My face is split, can still see on my lip where, and Im bleeding in my sandels and a baggy jacket. He comes at me again, I push him away, and then again, and I repel him again in my stupor. I would have killed him If I had a gun, no hesetation, no regret. Im completely sure and still wish I had a gun at the time Aoll he had to do was gt me to the ground, bash my head, and I could be who knows where right now. dead, unable to think propperly, paralized. You know what all the adults did? 'You shouldnt be in the ghetto' 'you deserved it for mentioning the cops' ya, thanks adults. Thanks for standing around. There were a decent number of people, not there to help me, or even help me up as I was drenched in blood. ;The next day I was covered in bruses also, in alot of pain ruined the last shred of respect I had for the average black people of my town thankfully Im prepaired for this and am not tramitized
thye facia that holds the brain doesnt heal well, and sometimes at all, and average people are weak and stupid and should avoid physical confrontation untill they have experiance
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Re: We are primates. Fist fighting should be completely legal if the circumstances arent too severe. [Re: specialpeopleclub]
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Lethal force is only justified in cases that CALL for it. Not every slight is worthy of the death penalty.
specialpeopleclub, you were the victim of vicious violence and yes that shold be paid in kind. That was vicious and malicious andits awful you went through this.
But not all confrontations are like that.
There is such a thing as a nonserious fight and that should be met in kind also/
Yes its super scary and I get scared a lot too. I feel super unsafe sometimes too.
But thats not how we should live our lives.
Be ready to give it 100% yes, but also be ready to be playful, forgive and forget.
Not all aggro is bad aggro.
Maybe its because I'm so BIG and Crystal G is so skilled, and maybe its the PCP, but not all violence is a menace to us.
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Re: We are primates. Fist fighting should be completely legal if the circumstances arent too severe. [Re: Asante]
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Not all cases do, but you dont always know when. Ive been in brawls with friends in front of others, and it wasnt serious. It was stupid though. malice and intent mea little in a brawl. You just havent been there.
I tried to spar, but most people go for as many head strikes as they can, even in sparring, because most people are ignorant and also stupid. They think sparing is the same as actually brawling
You can get brain damage from bouncing a soccer ball on your head. MMA gloves and head-gear actually creat fulcrum points and rattloe your brain more
Im not scared, at all. I know my life very well could have been in danger. I was unprepaired, feeling polite, and in my sandels(no footwark, no avoiding anything). Really, Im used to such things now. these things dont perturb me in the least.
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Re: We are primates. Fist fighting should be completely legal if the circumstances arent too severe. [Re: Asante]
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I'm at my best wearing sandals.

So was Jesus. 
Sorry you went though that man, that was awful.
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Re: We are primates. Fist fighting should be completely legal if the circumstances arent too severe. [Re: Asante]
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its real stuff. it isnt anything t be sorry over. I was unfortunate that i was uprepaired and out of shape, and he got the better of me. It wasnt traumitizing, in fact, the opposite, despite the swollen face and hand prints of blood.
You sould just avoid conflict if you can. Not everyone takes it the same, and people are not prepaired anymore for it. Parents say to stand up to bullies when their kid doesnt ven know how to defend themseves, as though its natural to have knowledge that was not bestowed upon you by experiance.
even sparing tkes training. Is very difficult to hold back and still be mildly competent, if you are striking, and especially if someone else is trying to dominate you
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you believe wrong
if someone attacks me with their fists, I can use deadly force, all that is needed is for me to believe that I will come to harm. I dont have to be concerned with whether I believe they intend to kill me though that gives a much stronger case for self defense just as the presence of a weapon does.
self defense does not require me to use 'just enough' force to stop an attack, it doesnt have an obligation of retreat to a safe space.
Weren't you also saying that parents should have the legal right to spank their kids, why is that not considered assault?
spanking a kid is much different from breaking their nose or crushing their orbital plate, if you cant tell the difference is a spanking and a fist fight then you have some serious issues to work out
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Re: We are primates. Fist fighting should be completely legal if the circumstances arent too severe. [Re: Prisoner#1]
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Spanking a kid is sometimes justified, at other times its justified.
And that is exactly the point of my brawling topic. Some asswhoopings are educational. They are part of lifes lessons and shoyuld not be followed up with with retaliation with a weapon, a shoe or gun or cop.
Sometimes you got to smack em around, like we do with words, and Bud Spencer does with asswhoopings.
You are thinking of fights as destroying your opponent, but theres another kind of fighting, thats more akin to a spanking.
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Re: We are primates. Fist fighting should be completely legal if the circumstances arent too severe. [Re: flickedbic]
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flickedbic said: I believe the law in USA includes a ladder of escalation of force: If someone attacks you with their fist, you can defend with a bat. If someone attacks you with a knife, you can use a gun/ deadly force.
you believe wrong
if someone attacks me with their fists, I can use deadly force, all that is needed is for me to believe that I will come to harm. I dont have to be concerned with whether I believe they intend to kill me though that gives a much stronger case for self defense just as the presence of a weapon does.
self defense does not require me to use 'just enough' force to stop an attack, it doesnt have an obligation of retreat to a safe space.
That is not reasonable. Like the quote I provided said, if someone has you pinned to the ground choking you, then deadly force may be used reasonably. Not just that you believe that you'll come to any harm. You gonna shoot me dead for trying to give you a purple nurple, or a Charlie horse by punching your leg? Not if you want to be free afterwards, despite the potential harm of the purple nurple or Charlie horse.
Reasonable force:
you are justified in threatening or using physical force to defend yourself against another to the extent that a reasonable person would believe it is immediately necessary to protect themself against another person’s use of unlawful physical force against them. For example, if someone is punching you, or attempting to punch you, you may use just enough physical force against them to stop them from punching you. You may not punch them until they fall to the ground and then start kicking them.
a simple rule of thumb. dont give out purple nurples to people you dont know
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(...) you are justified in threatening or using deadly physical force against another if a reasonable person would believe that deadly physical force is immediately necessary to protect yourself against the other’s use, or attempted use, of unlawful deadly physical force against you. For example, if someone is threatening you with deadly force, such as a knife, bat, or a gun, you may use a level of physical force which may kill them in order stop them from harming you. However, deadly physical force does not require a weapon. If someone has you pinned down and is choking you, you would probably be justified in using deadly force to protect yourself.
let me show you how a law actually looks, not someone's interpretation of the law
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GA 3.02.10 Justification; Use of Force in Defense of Self or Others
A person is justified in threatening or using force against another person when, and to the extent that, he/she reasonably believes that such threat or force is necessary to defend himself/herself or a third person against the other’s imminent use of unlawful force. A person is justified in using force that is intended or likely to cause death or great bodily harm only if that person reasonably believes that such force is necessary to prevent death or great bodily injury to himself/herself or a third person or to prevent the commission of a forcible felony.
O.C.G.A. §16-3-21
The State has the burden of proving beyond a reasonable doubt that the defendant was not justified.
State v. Shepperd, 253 Ga. 321 (1984) Bishop v. State, 271 Ga. 291 (1999) (Give the following only as appropriate.)
A person is not justified in using force, if that person
a) initially provokes the use of force against himself7herself with the intent to use such force as an excuse to inflict bodily harm upon the assailant; or
b) is attempting to commit, is committing, or is fleeing after the commission or attempted commission of a felony (define arguable felony); or
c) was the aggressor or was engaged in a combat by agreement, unless the person withdraws from the encounter and effectively communicates his/her intent to withdraw to the other person, and the other person still continues or threatens to continue the use of unlawful force.
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If a lone 140 pound woman is being physically attacked by a 250 pound unarmed man, the woman may be justified in using deadly physical force to defend herself.
well here ya go. it's certainly not an escalation scenario, the man was unarmed
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And that is exactly the point of my brawling topic. Some asswhoopings are educational.
shooting someone in the chest is also pretty educational, travon martin learned that if you get away then stay away, dont go back to attack someone that hasnt caused you harm. it was a lesson he carried with him the rest of his life
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Killing someone is not educational in their lifetime.
You wouldnt kill your child for misbehaving wouldnt you?
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hahaha... one more time for the sake of once more showing you how wrong you are
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GA 3.02.10 Justification; Use of Force in Defense of Self or Others
A person is justified in threatening or using force against another person when, and to the extent that, he/she reasonably believes that such threat or force is necessary to defend himselfYherself or a third person against the other’s imminent use of unlawful force. A person is justified in using force that is intended or likely to cause death or great bodily harm only if that person reasonably believes that such force is necessary to prevent death or great bodily injury to himself/herself or a third person or to prevent the commission of a forcible felony.
O.C.G.A. §16-3-21
The State has the burden of proving beyond a reasonable doubt that the defendant was not justified.
State v. Shepperd, 253 Ga. 321 (1984) Bishop v. State, 271 Ga. 291 (1999) (Give the following only as appropriate.)
A person is not justified in using force, if that person
a) initially provokes the use of force against himself7herself with the intent to use such force as an excuse to inflict bodily harm upon the assailant; or
b) is attempting to commit, is committing, or is fleeing after the commission or attempted commission of a felony (define arguable felony); or
c) was the aggressor or was engaged in a combat by agreement, unless the person withdraws from the encounter and effectively communicates his/her intent to withdraw to the other person, and the other person still continues or threatens to continue the use of unlawful force.
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sure it is. of course the longer it takes for them to die then the longer they've held onto that lesson
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You wouldnt kill your child for misbehaving wouldnt you?
sure... my child cuts class the best option is to kill them
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Re: We are primates. Fist fighting should be completely legal if the circumstances arent too severe. [Re: Prisoner#1]
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Fair enough, kill your kid over a pack of skittles.
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he wilol mane a better choice of nack in the next life a snack that cant be molded into a blade and used to kill plus an arazona drink
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you believe wrong
if someone attacks me with their fists, I can use deadly force, all that is needed is for me to believe that I will come to harm. I dont have to be concerned with whether I believe they intend to kill me though that gives a much stronger case for self defense just as the presence of a weapon does.
self defense does not require me to use 'just enough' force to stop an attack, it doesnt have an obligation of retreat to a safe space.
Weren't you also saying that parents should have the legal right to spank their kids, why is that not considered assault?
spanking a kid is much different from breaking their nose or crushing their orbital plate, if you cant tell the difference is a spanking and a fist fight then you have some serious issues to work out
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Re: We are primates. Fist fighting should be completely legal if the circumstances arent too severe. [Re: Bodhi of Ankou]
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Child abusse loaws are retarded. Kids who really are being abused tend to just have at junkie looser parents that neglect them, or as I saw last year, scream and moan over the possibe death of a relative in front of everyone with no tact.
You cant use force on a kid, r you get in trouble. Kids soetimes dont respct force. It wouldnt have worked for me. Not everyone is the same and responds the same. Most people are weak though, and if parents could punish and did have controll of their kids, instead of having them learn to do the whole'what are you gonna do about it' thing, escalating the situation and usually gettinh their way. Its not like the parent can hit them
people say we have a victem culture
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Prisoner#1 said: spanking a kid is much different from breaking their nose or crushing their orbital plate, if you cant tell the difference is a spanking and a fist fight then you have some serious issues to work out
To be honest, I've seen and witnessed quite a few fights go down. Rarely do they end in broken bones, maybe at most one will get a swollen bump on their head or another will get blood all over their face, but nothing major and nothing serious. In fact, I've never seen anybody break a bone except in a professional fight, or in one of those fights posted on WorldStar or Youtube or something.
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You cant use force on a kid, r you get in trouble. Kids soetimes dont respct force. It wouldnt have worked for me. Not everyone is the same and responds the same. Most people are weak though, and if parents could punish and did have controll of their kids, instead of having them learn to do the whole'what are you gonna do about it' thing, escalating the situation and usually gettinh their way. Its not like the parent can hit them
people say we have a victem culture
We don't have a victim culture for children, very rarely do children ever step forward to report violence against them. In fact, children who try to report their parents are often ostracized or made fun of by their peers, for turning in their parents, even if it is for legitimate and serious abuse. It is considered a big shame to "snitch" against your parents.
I find it odd though, you don't believe in fighting yet you believe it should be okay to hit children. I don't believe it's okay to hit children unless they're being ESPECIALLY bratty, but even then it should be done as a last-resort option after you've exhausted all your other options. It should not be a 1st, 2nd, or 3rd option, and the child should be well aware and notified and warned multiple times beforehand what is coming if he or she continues misbehaving, so it doesn't come as a surprise and shock them.
And of course, if they hit you, you should always have the right to hit them (with the same amount of force, you shouldn't be excessive and knock them into another dimension, but they must know they cannot bully you or push you around).
And, you're wrong, child abuse exists among middle class and upper class families too. Especially among parents who are heavy drinkers, or authoritarian military style parents. And parents who are immigrants from the Middle East, Asia, Latin America, Eastern Europe, or Africa view what Americans would call "abuse" as a normal way to treat a child.
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I have no doubt it is legal in some places. But some people who live in other states might believe your words and take it as legal advice, or as something to follow.
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This is coming from the person who wanted to know if it was ok to put children down a week ago.
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If you recall, I stated in the OP in the very first line, that these were not my personal beliefs, but I was asking purely for the sake of a hypothetical discussion.
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Re: We are primates. Fist fighting should be completely legal if the circumstances arent too severe. [Re: Asante]
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Seriously though any fist fight can easily result in a death It happens all the time I punch you in the head, you fall down and hit your head on the curb and Die Totally accidental
Fist fighting always poses a risk of death So it can't really be made legal And you shouldn't do it unless it's Something worth maybe killing/dying over
Movies give people an idea fist fighting is inconsequential
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Moonshoe said: Seriously though any fist fight can easily result in a death It happens all the time I punch you in the head, you fall down and hit your head on the curb and Die Totally accidental
Fist fighting always poses a risk of death So it can't really be made legal And you shouldn't do it unless it's Something worth maybe killing/dying over
So anything that poses a risk of death should be made illegal? Including extreme sports, professional fighting, skydiving, construction work, drugs?
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To be honest, I've seen and witnessed quite a few fights go down. Rarely do they end in broken bones, maybe at most one will get a swollen bump on their head or another will get blood all over their face, but nothing major and nothing serious. In fact, I've never seen anybody break a bone except in a professional fight, or in one of those fights posted on WorldStar or Youtube or something.
then you havent witnessed real fights, though you talk about the youtube and worldstar videos where people get fucked up. pro boxers end up with broken bones, in street/bar fights it's even more common. fractures on the face and hands are the most common but other shit gets broken when there's a lot of alcohol or drugs involved and a it's also not uncommon for someone to get beaten with what ever object is handy or to be shot or stabbed in one of these 'mututal combat' fights
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I have no doubt it is legal in some places. But some people who live in other states might believe your words and take it as legal advice, or as something to follow.
yeah, I'm pretty sure it's up to you to know the laws in your area and if you live in a place where your life has to be in danger to use lethal force then you're probably in a place that has other really oppressive laws such as california
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Moonshoe said: Seriously though any fist fight can easily result in a death It happens all the time I punch you in the head, you fall down and hit your head on the curb and Die Totally accidental
Fist fighting always poses a risk of death So it can't really be made legal And you shouldn't do it unless it's Something worth maybe killing/dying over
So anything that poses a risk of death should be made illegal? Including extreme sports, professional fighting, skydiving, construction work, drugs?
that isnt what he said, he said that if it was worth it to you to kill or die over then go for it
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