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Re: We are primates. Fist fighting should be completely legal if the circumstances arent too severe. [Re: ManianFH]
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haha damn that guy kicked some ass!!!
Bud Spencer, quite a character. A family man, movie maker, actor and Italian national swimming champion. Strong like a bear.
The movies are incredibly simplistic and unintellectual but pleasantly engaging, about the complicated friendship between two brawlers, Bud Spencer and Terrence Hill. Dont expect anything intellectualy challenging but if you wanna watch a movie of them, you might try Crime Busters. Goes well with weed or a beer.
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Re: We are primates. Fist fighting should be completely legal if the circumstances arent too severe. [Re: Asante]
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You can be plenty threatened without your assailent being armed
Think of it this way, two people consent, the cops refferee, and one of the peole gets hit wrong, falls, and their head bounces. Now they have a concussion and years of trauma possibly over this, and the cops could have and should have preventd it
If yu want to consebntualo brawl, then go somewhere private and shut the fuck up, or go to a propper venue like a cage
Asante, crystal, yor views on this are not just clueless, but emarassing and show a lack of experiance in the subject.
If someone comes at me with intent to harm, and I have the means, I will take their life. Tat is rasonable, just as it is reasonable to excute an intruder. I have no obligation to them as people if they act like that.
brawling isnt mutual, it isnt playing, if you arent both playing, you are trying to hurt and incapacitate the other. Its consesual when its over and charges arent pressed.
The April before last I was at a gas station, someone accused me of buming their car. I got out and offered to call insurence, get the cops(standard procedure), though I didnt see anything. I am about to get my papers(drive off, he was sketchy), and he sucker punches me. My face is split, can still see on my lip where, and Im bleeding in my sandels and a baggy jacket. He comes at me again, I push him away, and then again, and I repel him again in my stupor. I would have killed him If I had a gun, no hesetation, no regret. Im completely sure and still wish I had a gun at the time Aoll he had to do was gt me to the ground, bash my head, and I could be who knows where right now. dead, unable to think propperly, paralized. You know what all the adults did? 'You shouldnt be in the ghetto' 'you deserved it for mentioning the cops' ya, thanks adults. Thanks for standing around. There were a decent number of people, not there to help me, or even help me up as I was drenched in blood. ;The next day I was covered in bruses also, in alot of pain ruined the last shred of respect I had for the average black people of my town thankfully Im prepaired for this and am not tramitized
thye facia that holds the brain doesnt heal well, and sometimes at all, and average people are weak and stupid and should avoid physical confrontation untill they have experiance
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Re: We are primates. Fist fighting should be completely legal if the circumstances arent too severe. [Re: specialpeopleclub]
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Lethal force is only justified in cases that CALL for it. Not every slight is worthy of the death penalty.
specialpeopleclub, you were the victim of vicious violence and yes that shold be paid in kind. That was vicious and malicious andits awful you went through this.
But not all confrontations are like that.
There is such a thing as a nonserious fight and that should be met in kind also/
Yes its super scary and I get scared a lot too. I feel super unsafe sometimes too.
But thats not how we should live our lives.
Be ready to give it 100% yes, but also be ready to be playful, forgive and forget.
Not all aggro is bad aggro.
Maybe its because I'm so BIG and Crystal G is so skilled, and maybe its the PCP, but not all violence is a menace to us.
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Re: We are primates. Fist fighting should be completely legal if the circumstances arent too severe. [Re: Asante]
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Not all cases do, but you dont always know when. Ive been in brawls with friends in front of others, and it wasnt serious. It was stupid though. malice and intent mea little in a brawl. You just havent been there.
I tried to spar, but most people go for as many head strikes as they can, even in sparring, because most people are ignorant and also stupid. They think sparing is the same as actually brawling
You can get brain damage from bouncing a soccer ball on your head. MMA gloves and head-gear actually creat fulcrum points and rattloe your brain more
Im not scared, at all. I know my life very well could have been in danger. I was unprepaired, feeling polite, and in my sandels(no footwark, no avoiding anything). Really, Im used to such things now. these things dont perturb me in the least.
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Re: We are primates. Fist fighting should be completely legal if the circumstances arent too severe. [Re: Asante]
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I'm at my best wearing sandals.

So was Jesus. 
Sorry you went though that man, that was awful.
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Re: We are primates. Fist fighting should be completely legal if the circumstances arent too severe. [Re: Asante]
#23530844 - 08/11/16 09:28 AM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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its real stuff. it isnt anything t be sorry over. I was unfortunate that i was uprepaired and out of shape, and he got the better of me. It wasnt traumitizing, in fact, the opposite, despite the swollen face and hand prints of blood.
You sould just avoid conflict if you can. Not everyone takes it the same, and people are not prepaired anymore for it. Parents say to stand up to bullies when their kid doesnt ven know how to defend themseves, as though its natural to have knowledge that was not bestowed upon you by experiance.
even sparing tkes training. Is very difficult to hold back and still be mildly competent, if you are striking, and especially if someone else is trying to dominate you
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Re: We are primates. Fist fighting should be completely legal if the circumstances arent too severe. [Re: Crystal G] 1
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you believe wrong
if someone attacks me with their fists, I can use deadly force, all that is needed is for me to believe that I will come to harm. I dont have to be concerned with whether I believe they intend to kill me though that gives a much stronger case for self defense just as the presence of a weapon does.
self defense does not require me to use 'just enough' force to stop an attack, it doesnt have an obligation of retreat to a safe space.
Weren't you also saying that parents should have the legal right to spank their kids, why is that not considered assault?
spanking a kid is much different from breaking their nose or crushing their orbital plate, if you cant tell the difference is a spanking and a fist fight then you have some serious issues to work out
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Re: We are primates. Fist fighting should be completely legal if the circumstances arent too severe. [Re: Prisoner#1]
#23530890 - 08/11/16 09:44 AM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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Spanking a kid is sometimes justified, at other times its justified.
And that is exactly the point of my brawling topic. Some asswhoopings are educational. They are part of lifes lessons and shoyuld not be followed up with with retaliation with a weapon, a shoe or gun or cop.
Sometimes you got to smack em around, like we do with words, and Bud Spencer does with asswhoopings.
You are thinking of fights as destroying your opponent, but theres another kind of fighting, thats more akin to a spanking.
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Re: We are primates. Fist fighting should be completely legal if the circumstances arent too severe. [Re: flickedbic]
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flickedbic said: I believe the law in USA includes a ladder of escalation of force: If someone attacks you with their fist, you can defend with a bat. If someone attacks you with a knife, you can use a gun/ deadly force.
you believe wrong
if someone attacks me with their fists, I can use deadly force, all that is needed is for me to believe that I will come to harm. I dont have to be concerned with whether I believe they intend to kill me though that gives a much stronger case for self defense just as the presence of a weapon does.
self defense does not require me to use 'just enough' force to stop an attack, it doesnt have an obligation of retreat to a safe space.
That is not reasonable. Like the quote I provided said, if someone has you pinned to the ground choking you, then deadly force may be used reasonably. Not just that you believe that you'll come to any harm. You gonna shoot me dead for trying to give you a purple nurple, or a Charlie horse by punching your leg? Not if you want to be free afterwards, despite the potential harm of the purple nurple or Charlie horse.
Reasonable force:
you are justified in threatening or using physical force to defend yourself against another to the extent that a reasonable person would believe it is immediately necessary to protect themself against another person’s use of unlawful physical force against them. For example, if someone is punching you, or attempting to punch you, you may use just enough physical force against them to stop them from punching you. You may not punch them until they fall to the ground and then start kicking them.
a simple rule of thumb. dont give out purple nurples to people you dont know
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(...) you are justified in threatening or using deadly physical force against another if a reasonable person would believe that deadly physical force is immediately necessary to protect yourself against the other’s use, or attempted use, of unlawful deadly physical force against you. For example, if someone is threatening you with deadly force, such as a knife, bat, or a gun, you may use a level of physical force which may kill them in order stop them from harming you. However, deadly physical force does not require a weapon. If someone has you pinned down and is choking you, you would probably be justified in using deadly force to protect yourself.
let me show you how a law actually looks, not someone's interpretation of the law
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GA 3.02.10 Justification; Use of Force in Defense of Self or Others
A person is justified in threatening or using force against another person when, and to the extent that, he/she reasonably believes that such threat or force is necessary to defend himself/herself or a third person against the other’s imminent use of unlawful force. A person is justified in using force that is intended or likely to cause death or great bodily harm only if that person reasonably believes that such force is necessary to prevent death or great bodily injury to himself/herself or a third person or to prevent the commission of a forcible felony.
O.C.G.A. §16-3-21
The State has the burden of proving beyond a reasonable doubt that the defendant was not justified.
State v. Shepperd, 253 Ga. 321 (1984) Bishop v. State, 271 Ga. 291 (1999) (Give the following only as appropriate.)
A person is not justified in using force, if that person
a) initially provokes the use of force against himself7herself with the intent to use such force as an excuse to inflict bodily harm upon the assailant; or
b) is attempting to commit, is committing, or is fleeing after the commission or attempted commission of a felony (define arguable felony); or
c) was the aggressor or was engaged in a combat by agreement, unless the person withdraws from the encounter and effectively communicates his/her intent to withdraw to the other person, and the other person still continues or threatens to continue the use of unlawful force.
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If a lone 140 pound woman is being physically attacked by a 250 pound unarmed man, the woman may be justified in using deadly physical force to defend herself.
well here ya go. it's certainly not an escalation scenario, the man was unarmed
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Re: We are primates. Fist fighting should be completely legal if the circumstances arent too severe. [Re: Asante]
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Asante said: Spanking a kid is sometimes justified, at other times its justified.
And that is exactly the point of my brawling topic. Some asswhoopings are educational.
shooting someone in the chest is also pretty educational, travon martin learned that if you get away then stay away, dont go back to attack someone that hasnt caused you harm. it was a lesson he carried with him the rest of his life
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Re: We are primates. Fist fighting should be completely legal if the circumstances arent too severe. [Re: Prisoner#1]
#23530917 - 08/11/16 09:52 AM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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Killing someone is not educational in their lifetime.
You wouldnt kill your child for misbehaving wouldnt you?
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Re: We are primates. Fist fighting should be completely legal if the circumstances arent too severe. [Re: Crystal G]
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Crystal G said: Pris is indeed wrong and it would be unwise to follow his advice since there's no legal basis behind it. If your life isn't threatened, you can't just shoot somebody. You can't just shoot somebody simply because you're in a fist fight with somebody, unless you believe you are near death or your life is in danger.
hahaha... one more time for the sake of once more showing you how wrong you are
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GA 3.02.10 Justification; Use of Force in Defense of Self or Others
A person is justified in threatening or using force against another person when, and to the extent that, he/she reasonably believes that such threat or force is necessary to defend himselfYherself or a third person against the other’s imminent use of unlawful force. A person is justified in using force that is intended or likely to cause death or great bodily harm only if that person reasonably believes that such force is necessary to prevent death or great bodily injury to himself/herself or a third person or to prevent the commission of a forcible felony.
O.C.G.A. §16-3-21
The State has the burden of proving beyond a reasonable doubt that the defendant was not justified.
State v. Shepperd, 253 Ga. 321 (1984) Bishop v. State, 271 Ga. 291 (1999) (Give the following only as appropriate.)
A person is not justified in using force, if that person
a) initially provokes the use of force against himself7herself with the intent to use such force as an excuse to inflict bodily harm upon the assailant; or
b) is attempting to commit, is committing, or is fleeing after the commission or attempted commission of a felony (define arguable felony); or
c) was the aggressor or was engaged in a combat by agreement, unless the person withdraws from the encounter and effectively communicates his/her intent to withdraw to the other person, and the other person still continues or threatens to continue the use of unlawful force.
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Re: We are primates. Fist fighting should be completely legal if the circumstances arent too severe. [Re: Asante]
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sure it is. of course the longer it takes for them to die then the longer they've held onto that lesson
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You wouldnt kill your child for misbehaving wouldnt you?
sure... my child cuts class the best option is to kill them
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Re: We are primates. Fist fighting should be completely legal if the circumstances arent too severe. [Re: Prisoner#1]
#23531114 - 08/11/16 10:40 AM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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Fair enough, kill your kid over a pack of skittles.
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Re: We are primates. Fist fighting should be completely legal if the circumstances arent too severe. [Re: Asante]
#23531213 - 08/11/16 11:18 AM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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he wilol mane a better choice of nack in the next life a snack that cant be molded into a blade and used to kill plus an arazona drink
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Re: We are primates. Fist fighting should be completely legal if the circumstances arent too severe. [Re: Prisoner#1] 1
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you believe wrong
if someone attacks me with their fists, I can use deadly force, all that is needed is for me to believe that I will come to harm. I dont have to be concerned with whether I believe they intend to kill me though that gives a much stronger case for self defense just as the presence of a weapon does.
self defense does not require me to use 'just enough' force to stop an attack, it doesnt have an obligation of retreat to a safe space.
Weren't you also saying that parents should have the legal right to spank their kids, why is that not considered assault?
spanking a kid is much different from breaking their nose or crushing their orbital plate, if you cant tell the difference is a spanking and a fist fight then you have some serious issues to work out
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Re: We are primates. Fist fighting should be completely legal if the circumstances arent too severe. [Re: Bodhi of Ankou]
#23531655 - 08/11/16 01:44 PM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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Child abusse loaws are retarded. Kids who really are being abused tend to just have at junkie looser parents that neglect them, or as I saw last year, scream and moan over the possibe death of a relative in front of everyone with no tact.
You cant use force on a kid, r you get in trouble. Kids soetimes dont respct force. It wouldnt have worked for me. Not everyone is the same and responds the same. Most people are weak though, and if parents could punish and did have controll of their kids, instead of having them learn to do the whole'what are you gonna do about it' thing, escalating the situation and usually gettinh their way. Its not like the parent can hit them
people say we have a victem culture
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Re: We are primates. Fist fighting should be completely legal if the circumstances arent too severe. [Re: Prisoner#1]
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Prisoner#1 said: spanking a kid is much different from breaking their nose or crushing their orbital plate, if you cant tell the difference is a spanking and a fist fight then you have some serious issues to work out
To be honest, I've seen and witnessed quite a few fights go down. Rarely do they end in broken bones, maybe at most one will get a swollen bump on their head or another will get blood all over their face, but nothing major and nothing serious. In fact, I've never seen anybody break a bone except in a professional fight, or in one of those fights posted on WorldStar or Youtube or something.
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You cant use force on a kid, r you get in trouble. Kids soetimes dont respct force. It wouldnt have worked for me. Not everyone is the same and responds the same. Most people are weak though, and if parents could punish and did have controll of their kids, instead of having them learn to do the whole'what are you gonna do about it' thing, escalating the situation and usually gettinh their way. Its not like the parent can hit them
people say we have a victem culture
We don't have a victim culture for children, very rarely do children ever step forward to report violence against them. In fact, children who try to report their parents are often ostracized or made fun of by their peers, for turning in their parents, even if it is for legitimate and serious abuse. It is considered a big shame to "snitch" against your parents.
I find it odd though, you don't believe in fighting yet you believe it should be okay to hit children. I don't believe it's okay to hit children unless they're being ESPECIALLY bratty, but even then it should be done as a last-resort option after you've exhausted all your other options. It should not be a 1st, 2nd, or 3rd option, and the child should be well aware and notified and warned multiple times beforehand what is coming if he or she continues misbehaving, so it doesn't come as a surprise and shock them.
And of course, if they hit you, you should always have the right to hit them (with the same amount of force, you shouldn't be excessive and knock them into another dimension, but they must know they cannot bully you or push you around).
And, you're wrong, child abuse exists among middle class and upper class families too. Especially among parents who are heavy drinkers, or authoritarian military style parents. And parents who are immigrants from the Middle East, Asia, Latin America, Eastern Europe, or Africa view what Americans would call "abuse" as a normal way to treat a child.
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I have no doubt it is legal in some places. But some people who live in other states might believe your words and take it as legal advice, or as something to follow.
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Re: We are primates. Fist fighting should be completely legal if the circumstances arent too severe. [Re: Crystal G]
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This is coming from the person who wanted to know if it was ok to put children down a week ago.
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Bodhi of Ankou said: This is coming from the person who wanted to know if it was ok to put children down a week ago.
If you recall, I stated in the OP in the very first line, that these were not my personal beliefs, but I was asking purely for the sake of a hypothetical discussion.
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