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Re: We are primates. Fist fighting should be completely legal if the circumstances arent too severe. [Re: Moonshoe]
    #23529400 - 08/10/16 07:46 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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You are thinking of kendo




Oh yeah my bad :lol:


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Re: We are primates. Fist fighting should be completely legal if the circumstances arent too severe. [Re: Crystal G]
    #23529411 - 08/10/16 07:49 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

Aikido is good for self defense that minimizes hurt/injury to an attacker.


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Re: We are primates. Fist fighting should be completely legal if the circumstances arent too severe. [Re: California]
    #23529632 - 08/10/16 08:52 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

Hey pris....You feeling lucky......punk? :ruggedwink:


(always wanted to say that and you seem like the type of person who would do a showdown lol)


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Re: We are primates. Fist fighting should be completely legal if the circumstances arent too severe. [Re: flickedbic]
    #23529989 - 08/11/16 12:32 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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flickedbic said:
I believe the law in USA includes a ladder of escalation of force:
If someone attacks you with their fist,  you can defend with a bat.  If someone attacks you with a knife, you can use a gun/ deadly force.






you believe wrong

if someone attacks me with their fists, I can use deadly force, all that is needed
is for me to believe that I will come to harm. I dont have to be concerned with
whether I believe they intend to kill me though that gives a much stronger case for
self defense just as the presence of a weapon does.

self defense does not require me to use 'just enough' force to stop an attack, it
doesnt have an obligation of retreat to a safe space.


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Re: We are primates. Fist fighting should be completely legal if the circumstances arent too severe. [Re: Crystal G]
    #23530006 - 08/11/16 12:48 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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Crystal G said:

Rape and murder have victims who don't consent to these things.





so does battery and aggravated assault


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Re: We are primates. Fist fighting should be completely legal if the circumstances arent too severe. [Re: Prisoner#1]
    #23530013 - 08/11/16 12:54 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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Quote:

Crystal G said:

Rape and murder have victims who don't consent to these things.




so does battery and aggravated assault




If you hit somebody who doesn't want to fight, that's assault. If you two are fighting together though, then what do you do, charge both people with assault? No, just let them fight. Intervene or stop them if things start to escalate too much, but you don't have to book them.



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you believe wrong

if someone attacks me with their fists, I can use deadly force, all that is needed
is for me to believe that I will come to harm. I dont have to be concerned with
whether I believe they intend to kill me though that gives a much stronger case for
self defense just as the presence of a weapon does.

self defense does not require me to use 'just enough' force to stop an attack, it
doesnt have an obligation of retreat to a safe space.




Not true, there was a woman in California who was arrested and even served time for shooting an unknown assailant who hit her in the head with a brick from behind.


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Re: We are primates. Fist fighting should be completely legal if the circumstances arent too severe. [Re: Crystal G]
    #23530023 - 08/11/16 01:05 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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Crystal G said:
Quote:

Prisoner#1 said:
Quote:

Crystal G said:

Rape and murder have victims who don't consent to these things.




so does battery and aggravated assault




If you hit somebody who doesn't want to fight, that's assault. If you two are fighting together though, then what do you do, charge both people with assault?
No, just let them fight. Intervene or stop them if things start to escalate too much, but you don't have to book them.





if you hit me and I didnt want to fight, it's assault, if you hit me and I hit you
back it's called self defense,not mutual combat because I dint want to fight, if
you hit me and I hoot you dead, it's still self defense because I didnt want to
fight but you took that choice away from me and I took all further choices from you



Quote:

Quote:

Prisoner#1 said:

you believe wrong

if someone attacks me with their fists, I can use deadly force, all that is needed
is for me to believe that I will come to harm. I dont have to be concerned with
whether I believe they intend to kill me though that gives a much stronger case for
self defense just as the presence of a weapon does.

self defense does not require me to use 'just enough' force to stop an attack, it
doesnt have an obligation of retreat to a safe space.




Not true, there was a woman in California who was arrested and even served time for shooting an unknown assailant who hit her in the head with a brick from behind.




keep in mind that california is a liberal stronghold where the citizens have lost
their rights because they wanted to be victims, they werent happy being humans,
they had to be statistics. I talk about real places, not a land of fictitious
characters that make their living glorifying violence and then telling you
violence is wrong

now link to that case


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Re: We are primates. Fist fighting should be completely legal if the circumstances arent too severe. [Re: Crystal G]
    #23530089 - 08/11/16 01:55 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

Yeah, if you don't fully get where I'm coming from, I must seem quite crazy at times.

Sometimes consensus reality is wrong. Not all fighting is malicious and should be met with escalation and jail time.

Some fighting is just people being big kids.

Crystal G, eventhough you are not a man I think you can relate to this video:



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Re: We are primates. Fist fighting should be completely legal if the circumstances arent too severe. [Re: Prisoner#1]
    #23530106 - 08/11/16 02:11 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

Quote:

Prisoner#1 said:

you believe wrong

if someone attacks me with their fists, I can use deadly force, all that is needed
is for me to believe that I will come to harm. I dont have to be concerned with
whether I believe they intend to kill me though that gives a much stronger case for
self defense just as the presence of a weapon does.

self defense does not require me to use 'just enough' force to stop an attack, it
doesnt have an obligation of retreat to a safe space.




Weren't you also saying that parents should have the legal right to spank their kids, why is that not considered assault?


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Re: We are primates. Fist fighting should be completely legal if the circumstances arent too severe. [Re: Asante]
    #23530108 - 08/11/16 02:14 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

Quote:

Asante said:
Yeah, if you don't fully get where I'm coming from, I must seem quite crazy at times.

Sometimes consensus reality is wrong. Not all fighting is malicious and should be met with escalation and jail time.

Some fighting is just people being big kids.

Crystal G, eventhough you are not a man I think you can relate to this video:





Seen that video. :cool:

I get confused for a man literally all the time, I can't even remember the last time I was ever called Miss or Ma'am since maybe I was a teenager, I might as well be a man. :facepalm:


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Re: We are primates. Fist fighting should be completely legal if the circumstances arent too severe. [Re: Crystal G] * 1
    #23530121 - 08/11/16 02:32 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

I mean this in the most friendly and positive way possible, but you are more man than most men, and you're a whole lotta woman.

The world is losing the plot. Let us not.

Whats being a man or a woman anyway?

Its mostly about being authentic.




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Edited by Asante (08/11/16 02:33 AM)


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Re: We are primates. Fist fighting should be completely legal if the circumstances arent too severe. [Re: Prisoner#1] * 1
    #23530127 - 08/11/16 02:37 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

Quote:

Asante said:
I mean this in the most friendly and positive way possible, but you are more man than most men, and you're a whole lotta woman.

The world is losing the plot. Let us not.

Whats being a man or a woman anyway?

Its mostly about being authentic.




That is the greatest compliment I've gotten in a long time.

Also I love 80's, but I've never heard of that song.



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Prisoner#1 said:
if you hit me and I didnt want to fight, it's assault, if you hit me and I hit you
back it's called self defense,not mutual combat because I dint want to fight, if
you hit me and I hoot you dead, it's still self defense because I didnt want to
fight but you took that choice away from me and I took all further choices from you




Again, this is important why cops referee, if they witness you get hit when you didn't want to fight, then you don't even have to defend yourself, you can just get them arrested for assault. But most likely if the cops are called there in the first place it's because you have agreed to partake in a consensual duel.


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Re: We are primates. Fist fighting should be completely legal if the circumstances arent too severe. [Re: Asante]
    #23530137 - 08/11/16 02:47 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

I think its a step in the right direction, it helps heal a diseased society.




Whos with us? :supersaiyan:


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Re: We are primates. Fist fighting should be completely legal if the circumstances arent too severe. [Re: Crystal G]
    #23530140 - 08/11/16 02:50 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

It should totally be legal to hit somebody. But in order to prevent abuse of smaller, weaker people getting constantly beaten up and pushed around, it should only be legal to hit somebody who's significantly bigger than you.

Because you know somebody way bigger than you could easily hand you your ass and knock your ass out. Which means if you're bigger and you get hit, it's because that person thought about what could possibly happen to them, but you really deserved it.




And for those that didn't realize and are about to make a post arguing with me about this, this was a joke.


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Re: We are primates. Fist fighting should be completely legal if the circumstances arent too severe. [Re: Crystal G]
    #23530146 - 08/11/16 02:53 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

Big and small is relative.

Some small people make formidable opponents. sometimes a small fighter can completely pwn a big fighter. Its a matter of spirit more than of body size.

Of course I got it easy when I'mn amped, I'm the biggest guy in the room a lot of the time, 355 lbs (and dropping!)




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Re: We are primates. Fist fighting should be completely legal if the circumstances arent too severe. [Re: Asante]
    #23530150 - 08/11/16 02:57 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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Asante said:
Big and small is relative.

Some small people make formidable opponents. sometimes a small fighter can completely pwn a big fighter. Its a matter of spirit more than of body size.

Of course I got it easy when I'mn amped, I'm the biggest guy in the room a lot of the time, 355 lbs (and dropping!)





Only to a certain degree.

You know this midget could easily get his ass handed to him, but of course nobody wants to have the shame of being that guy that laid a midget's ass out, so everybody has no choice but to put up with it :lol:




Edited by Crystal G (08/11/16 03:02 AM)


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Re: We are primates. Fist fighting should be completely legal if the circumstances arent too severe. [Re: Crystal G] * 1
    #23530158 - 08/11/16 03:05 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

HAHAHAHA yes I would totaly let him pwn me, it would be hilarious.

See thats one case where deadly force and persecution is ridiculous,

Maybe its a a PCP thing we share Crystal G?

That or martial arts fighting spirit.

http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x16dr4f_i-can-break-these-cuffs_tv


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Re: We are primates. Fist fighting should be completely legal if the circumstances arent too severe. [Re: Asante]
    #23530168 - 08/11/16 03:14 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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Asante said:
HAHAHAHA yes I would totaly let him pwn me, it would be hilarious.

See thats one case where deadly force and persecution is ridiculous,

Maybe its a a PCP thing we share Crystal G?

That or martial arts fighting spirit.

http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x16dr4f_i-can-break-these-cuffs_tv




:lolsy:

Fuck dude, I would even have to let him pwn ME. I don't want to be known as that shameless person who smacked around a midget. :lol:

Technically he's committing assault, but who's really going to call the cops or pull out a weapon or jump this dude?

Plus, it's totally a badge of honor. Like "I got beaten up by a midget yo" :lolsy:

Also I saw that Cops episode a long time ago, the part where he climbs up the telephone pole LOLLOLLLLLOLLLLLL


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Re: We are primates. Fist fighting should be completely legal if the circumstances arent too severe. [Re: Prisoner#1]
    #23530169 - 08/11/16 03:15 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

Quote:

Prisoner#1 said:
Quote:

flickedbic said:
I believe the law in USA includes a ladder of escalation of force:
If someone attacks you with their fist,  you can defend with a bat.  If someone attacks you with a knife, you can use a gun/ deadly force.






you believe wrong

if someone attacks me with their fists, I can use deadly force, all that is needed
is for me to believe that I will come to harm. I dont have to be concerned with
whether I believe they intend to kill me though that gives a much stronger case for
self defense just as the presence of a weapon does.

self defense does not require me to use 'just enough' force to stop an attack, it
doesnt have an obligation of retreat to a safe space.




That is not reasonable.  Like the quote I provided said, if someone has you pinned to the ground choking you, then deadly force may be used reasonably.  Not just that you believe that you'll come to any harm.  You gonna shoot me dead for trying to give you a  purple nurple, or a Charlie horse by punching your leg?  Not if you want to be free afterwards, despite the potential harm of the purple nurple or Charlie horse.

Reasonable force:

Quote:

  you are justified in threatening or using physical force to defend yourself against another to the extent that a reasonable person would believe it is immediately necessary to protect themself against another person’s use of unlawful physical force against them.  For example, if someone is punching you, or attempting to punch you, you may use just enough physical force against them to stop them from punching you.  You may not punch them until they fall to the ground and then start kicking them.

(...) you are justified in threatening or using deadly physical force against another if a reasonable person would believe that deadly physical force is immediately necessary to protect yourself against the other’s use, or attempted use, of unlawful deadly physical force against you.  For example, if someone is threatening you with deadly force, such as a knife, bat, or a gun, you may use a level of physical force which may kill them in order stop them from harming you.  However, deadly physical force does not require a weapon.  If someone has you pinned down and is choking you, you would probably be justified in using deadly force to protect yourself.


The police and prosecutors look at many factors when deciding whether or not the use of deadly force is justified in a self-defense situation.  If a lone 140 pound woman is being physically attacked by a 250 pound unarmed man, the woman may be justified in using deadly physical force to defend herself.  The prosecutor is going to consider the reasonableness of the use of force in deciding whether to prosecute.  If a reasonable person would believe that the use of deadly force was necessary for the woman to protect herself, then it would be justified.

Arizona Stand Your Ground

Here is the supposedly controversial part of the law.  You do not have a duty to retreat before threatening or using deadly physical force if you are in a place where you may legally be and you are not engaged in an unlawful act.





http://www.davismiles.com/arizona-self-defense-and-the-truth-about-stand-your-ground/


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Re: We are primates. Fist fighting should be completely legal if the circumstances arent too severe. [Re: flickedbic]
    #23530171 - 08/11/16 03:20 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

Quote:

flickedbic said:
Quote:

Prisoner#1 said:
you believe wrong

if someone attacks me with their fists, I can use deadly force, all that is needed
is for me to believe that I will come to harm. I dont have to be concerned with
whether I believe they intend to kill me though that gives a much stronger case for
self defense just as the presence of a weapon does.

self defense does not require me to use 'just enough' force to stop an attack, it
doesnt have an obligation of retreat to a safe space.




That is not reasonable.  Like the quote I provided said, if someone has you pinned to the ground choking you, then deadly force may be used reasonably.  Not just that you believe that you'll come to any harm.  You gonna shoot me dead for trying to give you a  purple nurple, or a Charlie horse by punching your leg?  Not if you want to be free afterwards, despite the potential harm of the purple nurple or Charlie horse.

Reasonable force:

Quote:

  you are justified in threatening or using physical force to defend yourself against another to the extent that a reasonable person would believe it is immediately necessary to protect themself against another person’s use of unlawful physical force against them.  For example, if someone is punching you, or attempting to punch you, you may use just enough physical force against them to stop them from punching you.  You may not punch them until they fall to the ground and then start kicking them.

(...) you are justified in threatening or using deadly physical force against another if a reasonable person would believe that deadly physical force is immediately necessary to protect yourself against the other’s use, or attempted use, of unlawful deadly physical force against you.  For example, if someone is threatening you with deadly force, such as a knife, bat, or a gun, you may use a level of physical force which may kill them in order stop them from harming you.  However, deadly physical force does not require a weapon.  If someone has you pinned down and is choking you, you would probably be justified in using deadly force to protect yourself.

The police and prosecutors look at many factors when deciding whether or not the use of deadly force is justified in a self-defense situation.  If a lone 140 pound woman is being physically attacked by a 250 pound unarmed man, the woman may be justified in using deadly physical force to defend herself.  The prosecutor is going to consider the reasonableness of the use of force in deciding whether to prosecute.  If a reasonable person would believe that the use of deadly force was necessary for the woman to protect herself, then it would be justified.

Arizona Stand Your Ground

Here is the supposedly controversial part of the law.  You do not have a duty to retreat before threatening or using deadly physical force if you are in a place where you may legally be and you are not engaged in an unlawful act.





http://www.davismiles.com/arizona-self-defense-and-the-truth-about-stand-your-ground/




Pris is indeed wrong and it would be unwise to follow his advice since there's no legal basis behind it. If your life isn't threatened, you can't just shoot somebody. You can't just shoot somebody simply because you're in a fist fight with somebody, unless you believe you are near death or your life is in danger.


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