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Re: We are primates. Fist fighting should be completely legal if the circumstances arent too severe. [Re: flickedbic]
#23527803 - 08/10/16 10:11 AM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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Masked said: The world has gone and been pussified in many regards
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flickedbic said: And if he then punches you in the face a couple times you'll laugh that off as the "playful fighting" of an extrovert with low IQ?
Punching in the face is too aggressive. A punch in the face is an attempt to injure.
There is a more innocent way of fighting.
Not all fighting is serious.
Some fighting is a social activity.
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Re: We are primates. Fist fighting should be completely legal if the circumstances arent too severe. [Re: Prisoner#1]
#23527812 - 08/10/16 10:14 AM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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Asante said: Theres harmless fights and harmful fights. if some drunkard starts shoving me in harmless fashion, I wont involve the cops.
it must be nice to live in the netherlands where you can believe this to be the case
it was like that in the US until the mid 80s
Its like that in the US too. Not all people who are out to fight are really meaning you well.
You are way too serious Prisoner.
Its almost like you are too scared of people.
By the way.. "Prisoner #1" .. what are you a prisoner of?
Whats in a name?
I'm Asante (Thank You) because I'm grateful in general, grateful to all who are nice and grateful to those who set me straight.
What are you a prisoner of?
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Re: We are primates. Fist fighting should be completely legal if the circumstances arent too severe. [Re: Asante] 4
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Interestingly, in Washington State there is a mutual combat law which is basically what you describe. If two people agree that they want to have a fist-fight, they can pretty much go at it. Phoenix Jones relies on this fact to be an effective superhero. Here's a potato-quality video of him engaging in mutual combat with an assault suspect, while Seattle police look on.
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Re: We are primates. Fist fighting should be completely legal if the circumstances arent too severe. [Re: Ythan]
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Can we take a moment an acknowledge the realism of OPs video?
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Re: We are primates. Fist fighting should be completely legal if the circumstances arent too severe. [Re: Ythan]
#23527828 - 08/10/16 10:21 AM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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I think thats a good idea.
Its like moderating. its not the same if a troll trolls someonebenevolently or aggressively, maliciously.
We shouldnt overmoderate. Same with police.
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Re: We are primates. Fist fighting should be completely legal if the circumstances arent too severe. [Re: Asante]
#23527841 - 08/10/16 10:25 AM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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Asante said: Theres harmless fights and harmful fights. if some drunkard starts shoving me in harmless fashion, I wont involve the cops.
it must be nice to live in the netherlands where you can believe this to be the case
it was like that in the US until the mid 80s
Its like that in the US too. Not all people who are out to fight are really meaning you well.
I dont know that
some drunk in a bar comes up and starts shit, I dont know his intent because I slept through my mind reading class and the crystal ball is in the shop for repairs
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You are way too serious Prisoner.
Its almost like you are too scared of people.
I have an obligation to return home every night to my kids, yes, I'm serious, since I dont know what the intentions of some jackass that decided he just has to fight me are I have to take it as a serious threat because if I dont then my kids may end up fatherless. maybe if more people viewed it as I do then we'd have a lot fewer of these people playing shit like the knock out game
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Re: We are primates. Fist fighting should be completely legal if the circumstances arent too severe. [Re: Asante]
#23527958 - 08/10/16 11:26 AM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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"Theres harmless fights"
I don't know about that man... If someone pushes you it may be harmless, but it's not a fight. Fistfighting is hitting with fists.
You say fist fighting should be legal, but that "Punching in the face is too aggressive. A punch in the face is an attempt to injure."
I would say the definition of a fistfight necessarily includes the attempt to cause injury by hitting with fists...
I believe the law in USA includes a ladder of escalation of force: If someone attacks you with their fist, you can defend with a bat. If someone attacks you with a knife, you can use a gun/ deadly force.
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For example, if someone is threatening you with deadly force, such as a knife, bat, or a gun, you may use a level of physical force which may kill them in order stop them from harming you. However, deadly physical force does not require a weapon. If someone has you pinned down and is choking you, you would probably be justified in using deadly force to protect yourself
http://www.davismiles.com/arizona-self-defense-and-the-truth-about-stand-your-ground/

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Re: We are primates. Fist fighting should be completely legal if the circumstances arent too severe. [Re: Masked]
#23528025 - 08/10/16 11:50 AM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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Masked said: The world has gone and been pussified in many regards
I remember a time when I'd get in a semi-intoxicated disagreement, we'd fight it out, drawing blood, hurting each other, but going until someone had enough. And then going and having a beer together to bury the hatchet
Some of my best friends were a result of a fight
You don't see that behaviour nowadays
ALL of my best friends were a result of some pretty violent fights. When I was in 6th grade this kid pushed me down the stairs so the next day at lunch I smashed a chair over his head and he was out of classes for like a week, I'm not sure why but we got to hanging out. We're still best friends 
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Re: We are primates. Fist fighting should be completely legal if the circumstances ar ent too severe. [Re: Asante]
#23528552 - 08/10/16 03:29 PM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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Asante said: Prisoner, you are a badass. It disturbed me when I saw in a thread earlier that you would take a gun to a fist fight.
Would you draw in a simple brawl?
This is so backwards If Im attacked and I have a gun and my attacker doesnt retreat before I get then, I kill them
a 'simple brawl' doesnt mean anything. what, a bar brawl where some cunt could easily get the better of you and break a bottle on your head? anything can happen. fists are plenty to cause lasting damage with. You dont have any idea what you are talk ng about. These are thoughts of someone who has been too comforted from physical confrontation
the lack of severity comes at the end when someone stops escalating or looses.
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Re: We are primates. Fist fighting should be completely legal if the circumstances arent too severe. [Re: specialpeopleclub]
#23528573 - 08/10/16 03:35 PM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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Y'all are so eager to escalate the violence.
No sense of "boys will be boys".
If I'm being a dick and someone would bitchslap me around under the right circumstances, I'd shove back but would not testify to the police.
Some kinds of fighting are just rowdy and not meanspirited.
I think y'all are scared or have a too high strung sense of honor.
For some people fighting is recreational. Its not MY idea of fun but I respect it.
How do you guys feel about, like a mosh pit?
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mosh pit The ultimate way to show your love for your loud, pounding music taste. Controlled violence. The thing about the Mosh Pit is NOONE will take offence at you whacking them in the face...(I personally congradulate those that get a good shot in) there are different type of "pits" you can participate in, here are a few.
Closed Pit: Tight, hard to move and hard to breathe. A closed pit will usually happen during popular heavy songs like Slipknot - Duality or a S.O.A.D song.
Open Pit: Generally the worst/best you can pick a target and reach them, throw them across the floor punch them, barge them. There's enough room to just dive about punching everyone still causing little offece (Do be prepared to be hit back...a lot) songs that will get open pits are the less popular but heavy ones. Motograter music gathers a lot of open pits.
Circle Pit: The larger or stronger Moshers or Metal heads will run around in an empty circle punching those on the outside of the circle and pushing the runner infront until he either leaves or falls to be trodden on. these will happen on most slayer songs.
Slam-dancing Pits: Created by "Wooble" of Wolverhmapton fame. One hand will be behind back at all times (usually holding your beer) and the other one will be swinging side to side, whaloping other slam-dancers and headbanging to yourself. Lamb Of God - Now You've Got Something To Die For Is perfect to slam-dance to.
Piss-take Pits: Maetal heads will enjoy poking fun at the emo music by doe-see-doeing and linking arms and swinging happily...Some even girly-mosh in where they rest their heads on tachothers shoulders and flail their arms madly. this is where you generally ignore themusic and do stupid things while the emo's dance.
Any phisical damage done in a mosh pit should be "handshaked" away no hard feelings, enjoy
I never moshed but I respect it and I'm open to it.
Is this an 80s thing? a europe thing?
Or are y'all too alienated from each other?
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#23528584 - 08/10/16 03:40 PM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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Haha,I remember I was just saying this in another thread.
I agree, mutual combat should be a law.
Like in Washington, hand to hand mutual combat is legal as long as cops referee.
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Re: We are primates. Fist fighting should be completely legal if the circumstances arent too severe. [Re: Crystal G]
#23528596 - 08/10/16 03:43 PM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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Crystal G said: Haha,I remember I was just saying this in another thread.
You and I are sweet as peaches. We are not about harming others. Its not a violence thing, its a passion thing I guess.
Its not about defeating the other but acting out together.
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Re: We are primates. Fist fighting should be completely legal if the circumstances arent too severe. [Re: Asante]
#23528605 - 08/10/16 03:45 PM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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You and I are sweet as peaches. Its not a violence thing, its a passion thing I guess.
Its not about defeating the other but acting out together.
Can you imagine living in the state of Washington and being that operator who gets that phone call?
"911, what is your emergency"
"Yes I need some cops out here ASAP, my friend and I need to brawl and we need a police officer to referee STAT."
"Ok they'll be right there hang on tight don't start the fight without them"
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Re: We are primates. Fist fighting should be completely legal if the circumstances arent too severe. [Re: Crystal G]
#23528610 - 08/10/16 03:47 PM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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Is that really a thing, that a cop must referee it?
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Re: We are primates. Fist fighting should be completely legal if the circumstances arent too severe. [Re: Asante]
#23528618 - 08/10/16 03:50 PM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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what you are talking about is 'playing' verging on assult, in a way only really close people or those who maybe now how to should. Things escalate
In reality , you dont know what someone who assults you is going to do.
I dont understand what you man about honor. I am talking about avoiding brain damage, or other injuries, even getting kiled. One wrong move is all it takes
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You and I are sweet as peaches. We are not about harming others. Its not a violence thing, its a passion thing I guess.
Its not about defeating the other but acting out together.
Thats not how it works. that is how you get yourself injured. If you want to brawl somebody, you need to make sure its consentual, maybe sign a release, go to a place where people compete when its free.
do you know about concussions?
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Re: We are primates. Fist fighting should be completely legal if the circumstances arent too severe. [Re: specialpeopleclub]
#23528646 - 08/10/16 03:55 PM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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Things can escalate but not all people are intending to escalate beyond a brawl.
But yes, you cant know that.
Here is something of interest.
The French fire department RIOTING vs the riot police. Yes that is a thing here in europe. Rioting WITHOUT it becoming a bloodbath.
You dont take a gun, you don't take a blade, you just come with your hands and feet and mayhem in mind without wanting to harm people.
THIS is how you riot:
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Re: We are primates. Fist fighting should be completely legal if the circumstances arent too severe. [Re: specialpeopleclub]
#23528647 - 08/10/16 03:56 PM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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Asante said: Is that really a thing, that a cop must referee it?
Yes, I think that part of the law probably exists to ensure it's a fair fight and nobody gangs up on 1 person, or nobody pulls out weapons.
http://www.policemag.com/channel/patrol/news/2012/11/12/video-seattle-cops-allow-mutual-combat.aspx
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specialpeopleclub said: Thats not how it works. that is how you get yourself injured. If you want to brawl somebody, you need to make sure its consentual, maybe sign a release, go to a place where people compete when its free.
do you know about concussions?
When two people agree to get into a fight (hence the term MUTUAL combat, because it involves mutual consent), they knowingly take those risks. Everybody knows you could come out of a fight with smashed teeth and broken bones.
If you are worried about getting brain damage, nobody says you have to fight. Nobody is advocating for the nonconsensual assault of another person.
And besides, under Washington law, the fight becomes illegal if somebody is injured or property is damaged. Which is probably why cops must referee.
This law exists to prevent people from snitching to cops or suing the other person later simply because they lost the fight.
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Re: We are primates. Fist fighting should be completely legal if the circumstances arent too severe. [Re: specialpeopleclub]
#23528662 - 08/10/16 04:01 PM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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Jerking off in public should be legal too. Someone could go to the zoo and see a chimp do the same and they would be like 'oh that is just nature' maybe have a little laugh about it, but I whip my dick out on the bus and now I'm a registered sex offender.
It's natural yo, and making natural things illegal is the business of uptight and troublesome overachievers.
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Re: We are primates. Fist fighting should be completely legal if the circumstances arent too severe. [Re: Crystal G]
#23528699 - 08/10/16 04:14 PM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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Those riots lok like they have tear gss and destroid proporty. Riots are terrible, rioters sould be arrested and charg3d as harshly as possible at all times. Destroying proporty is violence, stopping taffic is violnce, causing a situation where one incident could ignite a huge group of people is stupid. I dont know how you got from completely terrible views on brawling to supporting riots
ya, no want to harm. Fucking idiotic. people arent a unit, and some are defenatly going to want to harm
The washington law is stupid. this is like, some infuriating level of ignorance to the severity of consequences in which physical confrontaton can cause.
a law to stop snitching. injuring the other person is the point. win or loose, if Im assulted, I should be able to go to the cops. Competition is one thing, this gets stupid people hurt. one good hit, your brain jostels, life long problems, maybe medical bills. Maybe their lawyer says they have to sue.
No, people dont understand the consequences. Asante doesnt. He is theorizing. Most people dont get into brawls, and some just win a few and their head grows huge and they still dont understand the severity of those choices. It isnt the same happening to another
women tend not to gt in real brwls at all and, in my experiance, rarely have any opinions of substance on the subject
not talking about you crystal G. I mean in real life. wome rarely get real beatings or choked out, nless they pick retards to be with. Thats differant though, a whole other psychological problem
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Re: We are primates. Fist fighting should be completely legal if the circumstances arent too severe. [Re: specialpeopleclub]
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specialpeopleclub said: Those riots lok like they have tear gss and destroid proporty. Riots are terrible, rioters sould be arrested and charg3d as harshly as possible at all times. Destroying proporty is violence, stopping taffic is violnce, causing a situation where one incident could ignite a huge group of people is stupid. I dont know how you got from completely terrible views on brawling to supporting riots
How did you gather the fact that I support riots?
I mean, I do support rioting of the people, but only if it is for a just political movement against a tyrannical fascist system. But that shouldn't have been evident in my earlier post, since I mentioned nothing about advocating for rioting or looting or destruction of property.
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a law to stop snitching. injuring the other person is the point. win or loose, if Im assulted, I should be able to go to the cops.
Nobody is advocating for the nonconsensual assault of another person. If you're assaulted, you simply go to the cops.
"Mutual combat" doesn't cover assaults where you are punched and didn't want to be hit. Mutual combat exists to allow 2 people who want to engage in a mutual hand-to-hand fight.
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